2020-21 game thread

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Originally Posted by Tg11

Critiques on Pascal Siakam for me is that he needs to post up more or get more into the post especially with that frame. He has the size and the length to use his body but he doesn't do it enough. Yeah he incorporates that spin move but needs to add more moves into his arsenal. I mean if Siakam wants to get better, even more better to reach elite level superstar status or be Top 5 or even Top 10 in this league, he could benefit really benefit from spending time with a former NBA player or former NBA players. Certain players benefited from spending time with someone like a Kobe when he was alive. Picked his brain and trained with him. Siakam could benefit by spending time with a great like Garnett, Duncan, Vince, etc well players like that and work on his footwork more.

Siakam needs to also be more efficient at the FT line or drawing more fouls so that way he gets to the line more often than not.

And also shooting more threes and being more outspoken in demanding the ball especially when you supposed to be the #1 option on this team.

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Siakam has been working out with the all stars and with Rico Hines the last few off seasons. That is how he has gotten so much better so quickly.

The problem with post ups is that a lot of those shots result in "mid range" 2 pt attempts....which is like "the Cardinal Sin" among analytic supporters. Even the best big men in the game rarely post up anymore. The NBA game is just spread out and either attack the basket or shoot 3's.

He doesn't get the whistle when he yells after contact, I wish he would stop doing that. Its weak. That is hoping for a foul and not trying to actually finish the play. The refs can hear every slap, there is no need to scream like a baby.

He isn't the only one in the NBA doing it, its an epidemic really of soft ***** players who scream every time a defender puts a hand on them, or just does everything in their power to draw ticky tac fouls like Trae Young instead of just trying to score.

There is enough scoring in basketball that they didnt need to make breathing on someone a foul. Although I did see a ref not give Luka a call when he jumped 2 feet in and reached out in the most unnatural motion ever to try and get 3 shots the other night. I wish they would actually start calling more flops and scissor kicks from jump shooters.

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Originally Posted by bartron_44

Siakam has been working out with the all stars and with Rico Hines the last few off seasons. That is how he has gotten so much better so quickly.

The problem with post ups is that a lot of those shots result in "mid range" 2 pt attempts....which is like "the Cardinal Sin" among analytic supporters. Even the best big men in the game rarely post up anymore. The NBA game is just spread out and either attack the basket or shoot 3's.

He doesn't get the whistle when he yells after contact, I wish he would stop doing that. Its weak. That is hoping for a foul and not trying to actually finish the play. The refs can hear every slap, there is no need to scream like a baby.

He isn't the only one in the NBA doing it, its an epidemic really of soft ***** players who scream every time a defender puts a hand on them, or just does everything in their power to draw ticky tac fouls like Trae Young instead of just trying to score.

There is enough scoring in basketball that they didnt need to make breathing on someone a foul. Although I did see a ref not give Luka a call when he jumped 2 feet in and reached out in the most unnatural motion ever to try and get 3 shots the other night. I wish they would actually start calling more flops and scissor kicks from jump shooters.

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Yeah he needs to do more of that but also spend time picking the brain of or spending time with NBA legends, all time greats of the game as well. If he does that like I'm talking all time former greats like Hakeem, McHale, Garnett, Duncan, etc and also working out with them too.

I see what you're saying but he needs to be more of a post up type player in the sense of using his body more. I mean Siakam is a big man, he's a big guy right? If anything that should be more of an advantage for him rather than a weakness.

But also he can be more of a passing big man like a facilitator type like think Jokic or more of an explosive big man like an Embiid.

Honestly, picking the brains of legends is so overrated. The game has changed so much in the last 10 years that most old heads don't even know what they're talking about anymore. On the off chance they actually do know what they're talking about, it doesn't even matter because they can't play for you.

Siakam literally just needs a consistent jumper. Improving his footwork and his body isn't going to do **** for him. Guys like Jokic, Sabonis, Embiid etc have insane footwork. But guess what? When their jumpers aren't falling, they're practically useless offensively (scoring wise at least).

I just want him focused on getting the ball on the move towards the basket and not on shooting 3's. People give him 3's for a reason. I want to see him keep working his game inside out like he jas bern lately and not outside in shooting a bunch of 3's just because they are there early in the clock.

I'll tell you what though, today's win over Indy was ugly, but it was the best D and rebounding they have shown all season. The refs set the tone of it being a streetball type game early and OG took advantage. Boucher and Stanley with back to back game winning blocks on Sabonis at point blank to seal it too.


Baynes is showing signs of being able to play..lol and Watanabe is showing true 3 and D potential too. He played some really good defense today.


Flynn was awful, Bembry made some really stupid passes, but other than that they played pretty well for being down Kyle AND Pascal.

Td has looked unplayable at times when he gets put in. Stupid fouls and just careless with the ball. Yutas shot looks too smooth to not consistently get in and with baynes coming around slowly things looking at averaging itself out. Flynn definitely looks like he still needs a year or two to find the nba pace but he will come along.

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Originally Posted by bartron_44

I just want him focused on getting the ball on the move towards the basket and not on shooting 3's. People give him 3's for a reason. I want to see him keep working his game inside out like he jas bern lately and not outside in shooting a bunch of 3's just because they are there early in the clock.

I'll tell you what though, today's win over Indy was ugly, but it was the best D and rebounding they have shown all season. The refs set the tone of it being a streetball type game early and OG took advantage. Boucher and Stanley with back to back game winning blocks on Sabonis at point blank to seal it too.


Baynes is showing signs of being able to play..lol and Watanabe is showing true 3 and D potential too. He played some really good defense today.


Flynn was awful, Bembry made some really stupid passes, but other than that they played pretty well for being down Kyle AND Pascal.

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Gotta give these guys loads of credit...

Nurse has done an excellent coaching job bringing this back after the poor start. Plenty success stories amongst the role players who are beginning to find their way.

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Originally Posted by driftindirt

Td has looked unplayable at times when he gets put in. Stupid fouls and just careless with the ball. Yutas shot looks too smooth to not consistently get in and with baynes coming around slowly things looking at averaging itself out. Flynn definitely looks like he still needs a year or two to find the nba pace but he will come along.

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Flynn definitely needs like 3 years or 4 but at this point if there was G League he would be perfect over there

OG is another guy who needs to get better too. If I had to critique parts of his game too, he needs to work on his handles first and foremost before anythin. Yeah OG has been workin on his 3 point shooting but he needs to work on his mid range game. By developing more of a mid range or even a step back by incorporating that into his game.

Defensively, OG is right there as far as being defensively sound. But he can get even more better than he has been.

Again, I'm goin to harp on footwork cuz it really is essential. If OG can also work on that, then he can actually be an emerging star in the league.

There were times where he was at the line and he missed some easy shots at the FT line. He too also needs to work on that too but also forcing himself towards the basket by doing what Siakam does in a sense, incorporate a spin move. Or better yet even a Euro step.

But for the most part, yeah he did score 30 today but that's probably what the first time he's done that in how long? OG needs to be more aggressive sometimes on offense but he's all right I guess.

Y'all are 7-9 but no rest for y'all either cuz you play them again tomorrow in a back to back basically on 24 hours rest. No doubt y'all are probably goin to be tired comin into tomorrow's game so I don't know if y'all get the job done tomorrow.

Yah its been quite enjoyable to see them really play some good defence last few games which has led to less of a half court offence. Weird trend in ft percentage but I think like most things itl even out. Man does OG look elite with his defence. He has reached sort of that next step toward all team defence. His shot setup also looks much quicker. The drives down to the post where he just muscled past sabonis was impressive

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Originally Posted by pebloemer

Gotta give these guys loads of credit...

Nurse has done an excellent coaching job bringing this back after the poor start. Plenty success stories amongst the role players who are beginning to find their way.

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Someone once said they couldn't understand why TD was in Nurse's dog house. That game was a perfect example of why.

It's a shame FVV didn't win the genetic lottery. A couple inches taller and he would be a bonafide two way superstar in this league.

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Originally Posted by ecart

Someone once said they couldn't understand why TD was in Nurse's dog house. That game was a perfect example of why.

It's a shame FVV didn't win the genetic lottery. A couple inches taller and he would be a bonafide two way superstar in this league.

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No kidding about FVV. Named to the Team USA 60 man squad. Not bad for an undrafted 5’11 kid.

TD is talented but not all there yet. Reminds be of my frustration with Ross early on. I think he will come around and be a good player though I dont mind trading him to get better talent.

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Originally Posted by Raps18-19 Champ

TD is talented but not all there yet. Reminds be of my frustration with Ross early on. I think he will come around and be a good player though I dont mind trading him to get better talent.

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This is where I’m at too. I’m getting a Ross Vibe.

Decent player, but doesn’t seem to have his head on right to get to the super star level. Will likely cap out as a 11ppg type role player. Which is obviously great for an undrafted guy. But he doesn’t have the drive and tunnel vision that someone like FVV has.

Is it just me or does it feel like Kyle is not getting as many charges this season?

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Originally Posted by aman_13

Is it just me or does it feel like Kyle is not getting as many charges this season?

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He has a reputation for trying to doctor the whistle. Refs are irritated by him, even when he is right. But yes, I agree. Feels like he gets fewer calls each year.