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03-23-2021, 11:07 AM
ecart

I think the Wolves are gonna be good next year. Finch too good of a coach to bottom out. idk if they'll make playoffs but they will be decent imo.
03-23-2021, 11:08 AM
smith&wesson

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Originally Posted by Chaotic98

A chip in 2019 with this coach and our young core established that I think, it's time to retool and trade away our expiring contracts. Outside of FVV I'm not sure anyone would be untouchable.

Agreed. And he agrees too. He’s just pointing out where other fans stand on it. I think most intelligent fans realize we have an opportunity to land a pretty dam good pick and we shouldn’t squander it just to face the Bucks, Nets, or 6ers in the first round.
03-23-2021, 11:12 AM
smith&wesson

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Originally Posted by ecart

I think the Wolves are gonna be good next year. Finch too good of a coach to bottom out. idk if they'll make playoffs but they will be decent imo.

I watch them closely. I have Edwards and Beasly on my fantasy team. This year is a write off for them with Russell being out and Beasly being suspended for 12 games. But if their roster comes back looking similar they will still be bad. They have a lot of work to do on that roster before it becomes ready to compete in the west which is as competitive as ever. Kat, Russell, Edwards, Beasly, Culver is their core. They don’t have much depth behind them and Rubio is like their lone veteran presence. A lot can change in an off-season so who knows but consider the teams they have to battle for a playoff spot out west.
03-23-2021, 11:16 AM
pebloemer

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Originally Posted by killersweet

I don't understand that either. Winning culture is great if we are an ideal destination for free agents to flock. But we are far from it. We definitely need to get more talent. Teams like raptors can only get star players through draft or trade. I know MU hates losing, but sometimes you have to let it happen naturally. I still think this team is too good to get a lotto pick as it is now. They may easily go on a 6 or 7 game winning streak with lot of terrible teams in the east. So I really hope we trade some key players away for youth and picks. We definitely need a high pick this year.

I certainly believe in the value of winning culture. Moreso to develop talent than to attract players. But keeping a core of FVV, OG and Siakam with a younger talented group around them would have me optimistic they can sustain some of the culture. This year is a lost season IMO. I wouldn't want a prolonged stretch of losing seasons. I think that can have a toll on franchises. But recognizing the moments to step back are important.
03-23-2021, 11:34 AM
ecart

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Originally Posted by smith&wesson

I watch them closely. I have Edwards and Beasly on my fantasy team. This year is a write off for them with Russell being out and Beasly being suspended for 12 games. But if their roster comes back looking similar they will still be bad. They have a lot of work to do on that roster before it becomes ready to compete in the west which is as competitive as ever. Kat, Russell, Edwards, Beasly, Culver is their core. They don’t have much depth behind them and Rubio is like their lone veteran presence. A lot can change in an off-season so who knows but consider the teams they have to battle for a playoff spot out west.

Yeah but Finch is their first real NBA coach. Previous coach only got the job cause his dad died.
03-23-2021, 11:37 AM
ecart

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Originally Posted by pebloemer

I certainly believe in the value of winning culture. Moreso to develop talent than to attract players. But keeping a core of FVV, OG and Siakam with a younger talented group around them would have me optimistic they can sustain some of the culture. This year is a lost season IMO. I wouldn't want a prolonged stretch of losing seasons. I think that can have a toll on franchises. But recognizing the moments to step back are important.

I think that's just confounded by the fact that franchises that perpetually lose are often poorly managed in the first place.
03-23-2021, 12:16 PM
pebloemer

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Originally Posted by ecart

I think that's just confounded by the fact that franchises that perpetually lose are often poorly managed in the first place.

Fair point
03-23-2021, 12:39 PM
smith&wesson

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Originally Posted by ecart

Yeah but Finch is their first real NBA coach. Previous coach only got the job cause his dad died.

I get that but I think coaching will take them so far, look at Nurse for example this season he’s dealt with a depleted roster and the results are what they are. I also don’t think Kat & Russell are built to lead. They’re gonna need Edwards to become a lot more effecient as well they need some solid vets and a bench. I think Edwards does become more effecient once Russell & Beasly come back and his usage decreases a bit. Again a lot can change in an off-season but just looking at some of the other teams out west, I see the Twolves being on the outside 8 in their conference again.
03-23-2021, 12:46 PM
killersweet

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Originally Posted by pebloemer

I certainly believe in the value of winning culture. Moreso to develop talent than to attract players. But keeping a core of FVV, OG and Siakam with a younger talented group around them would have me optimistic they can sustain some of the culture. This year is a lost season IMO. I wouldn't want a prolonged stretch of losing seasons. I think that can have a toll on franchises. But recognizing the moments to step back are important.

As Ecart pointed out, I don't expect the raptors to be stuck in a rut with the people they have incharge. I hope MU sticks around and with him on board, I see a quick turn around. His draft history has been excellent. That's why I think having multiple picks this year will replenish our system and the retooling will be fast.
03-23-2021, 12:57 PM
ChongInc.

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Originally Posted by smith&wesson

How come no one else HERE sees it? It’s like he’s duped the entire franchise to thinking he’s worth $33 mill a year? And they don’t get how that hamstrings us

I don’t think he has played upto a 33 million contract since the bubble. But I do think that is his going rate on the open market.

I remember when we didn’t have a PF. Those derozan teams pre-ibaka trade when we were rolling out BeBe. Imo that team wins 10 more games with prime siakam. Not all max players have to be the #1 offensive option. Infact - most max players aren’t.

It’s not that they’re playing in Florida this season, it’s that they ARENT playing at home with our fans and home cooking. Fans have the biggest impact on basketball than any other sport imo. It’s a momentum driven game. If you are detecting a lack of motivation I think we can pray it’s a factor.
03-23-2021, 01:08 PM
ChongInc.

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Originally Posted by smith&wesson

Actually after some thought, yes I take that deal. Let me tell you why.

This is what Siakam is owed after this season $31,320,000,$33,640,000,$35,960,000

This is what Wiggins is owed after this season $31,579,390, $33,616,770

Wiggins becomes an expiring after next season. So if it means getting out of that final year of paying Siakam $36 million, while adding a top 10 pick (Minnis pick will be top 10 for sure this year and very likely next year) and all we would have to do is endure Wiggins for a season or two? I’m considering that. It’s not a move that helps us improve now, but I think it helps us in a year or two for certain.

See, I’m looking to punt this season, but I’m not looking to punt the next 2 seasons and FVV’s prime.
I’m hoping for a quick turn around, you’re mapping out a complete tear down.
03-23-2021, 01:11 PM
ChongInc.

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Originally Posted by smith&wesson

I get that but I think coaching will take them so far, look at Nurse for example this season he’s dealt with a depleted roster and the results are what they are. I also don’t think Kat & Russell are built to lead. They’re gonna need Edwards to become a lot more effecient as well they need some solid vets and a bench. I think Edwards does become more effecient once Russell & Beasly come back and his usage decreases a bit. Again a lot can change in an off-season but just looking at some of the other teams out west, I see the Twolves being on the outside 8 in their conference again.

Anyone else been impressed by nurses ability to switch from “win now mode” to “development first mode”? Dudes a good coach. No ego.
03-23-2021, 01:18 PM
ecart

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Originally Posted by smith&wesson

I get that but I think coaching will take them so far, look at Nurse for example this season he’s dealt with a depleted roster and the results are what they are. I also don’t think Kat & Russell are built to lead. They’re gonna need Edwards to become a lot more effecient as well they need some solid vets and a bench. I think Edwards does become more effecient once Russell & Beasly come back and his usage decreases a bit. Again a lot can change in an off-season but just looking at some of the other teams out west, I see the Twolves being on the outside 8 in their conference again.

Yeah but Nurse still puts his guys in good positions to produce, we just lack talent. Saunders has never put his guys in a good spot, so it is hard to say where their talent level actually is. I think Kat is a sleeping giant.
03-23-2021, 06:46 PM
smith&wesson

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Originally Posted by ChongInc.

Anyone else been impressed by nurses ability to switch from “win now mode” to “development first mode”? Dudes a good coach. No ego.

Yes agreed, but tell that to pascal apparently there’s turmoil between them.
03-23-2021, 07:53 PM
killersweet

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Originally Posted by smith&wesson

Yes agreed, but tell that to pascal apparently there’s turmoil between them.

Losing creates all kinds of issues. I don’t think Siakam is doing well being away from Toronto. He is probably having a tough time with the expectations and his performance. We can only hope he gets over them. If this was happening in Toronto under normal circumstances this would be a bigger deal. Let’s blame this on covid 😏

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