You do realize I call him that just to get under their skin, right?Quote:
Originally Posted by mike_noodles
You do realize I call him that just to get under their skin, right?Quote:
Originally Posted by mike_noodles
And he’s done an ok job at it. After 6 years of tearing it down I wouldn’t expect anything less than a “hopeful” middling team with a decent farm. Anything les and he wouldn’t have been extended (I hope).Quote:
Originally Posted by mike_noodles
Is that also why you get personally offended at any opinion other than that?Quote:
Originally Posted by R. Johnson#3
He only spent like 3 years tearing it down (2017-2019).Quote:
Originally Posted by ChongInc.
His job wasn't even to tear down the roster when he first got here. He was trying to sign EE to a 4/5 year contract after 2016. He didn't do the best job adding onto the roster after 2016 and did an even terrible job tearing down the MLB roster after. But at the same time did a great job at building the farm while he was tearing down the roster.
How he uses his farm and how he does MLB level acquisitions will be how he's judged going forward.
I don’t think I’ll ever give him a free pass on the terrible tear down/sustain winning confusion/lie. Felt like he wasted 6 years of my jays fan life. Still I agree though, it’s about what he does from here. He’s been gifted a chance to see what he can do.Quote:
Originally Posted by Raps18-19 Champ
It wasn't even 6 years. 2017-2019 obviously weighs down his overall performance given they were pretty bad, but if he continues to perform well going forward, his bad performances get diluted as he peforms goung forward.
2016 felt like very much a waste too. They were focused on the image of winning, but did not make moves to keep us as contenders. 2017&18 were just shameful. Just flat out lying to the fan base.Quote:
Originally Posted by Raps18-19 Champ
I’ll never get over it.
Regardless let’s see where he goes from here
They made plenty of moves leading up to 2016 and that deadline.Quote:
Originally Posted by ChongInc.
Sign Happ, resign Estrada, Storen trade, Grilli trade, benoit trade, liriano trade, Upton trade, drafted Biagini, etc.
Not all of them worked out but a lot were good gamble
From Nov 2016 (sign Morales instead of EE) to Nov 2019 (just before Ryu) is majority of the moves that the general fanbase may have issues with.
Wasn’t happ lacava?Quote:
Originally Posted by Raps18-19 Champ
Those signings look a lot more like trying to appear to want to win to me. And the results speak for themselves. They certainly weren’t “going for it”.
I’m tired of this old convo though tbh. You know how I feel about those years.
I really don’t think it affects him the way you think it does.Quote:
Originally Posted by R. Johnson#3
thats true Happ signed Nov 25. Atkins was GM since Dec 3.Quote:
Originally Posted by ChongInc.
Sure, but if you say you cant get over 22017 to 2019, then no matter what he does all the years after, you wont judge him appropriately.
Man... if he gets me some exciting playoff ball I won’t give a ****.Quote:
Originally Posted by Raps18-19 Champ
We knowQuote:
Originally Posted by ChongInc.
Atkins already got us to the playoffs twice...Quote:
Originally Posted by ChongInc.
Agree to disagree.Quote:
Originally Posted by mike_noodles