After 5 Years Is Ross Atkins the 2nd Best GM in Blue Jays History?

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03-22-2022, 04:04 PM
R. Johnson#3

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Originally Posted by Raps18-19 Champ

I view 2015 (winning division) similar to 2016 (WC) considering they both made lost in the ALCS.

But 2020 was a writeoff for most things in baseball. So not really sure how something like that adds to Atkins' resume. Dont think being 32-28 and not even making an impact in the expanded playoffs is much to write about IMO. The extra 6 teams who made it that year may as well have won a participation trophy. I dont really take much what happened in that season seriously (ie Abreu winning MVP, Bauer Cy Young, etc).

Okay so are you saying he’s on the same level as AA? Despite the amazing trades and endless supply of prospects?
03-22-2022, 04:26 PM
R. Johnson#3

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Originally Posted by hanton

How are you rating him? using what metrics?

Based on how he has the team set up for the present and future. If we’re being honest with ourselves, 2021 was the first season the Atkins built Blue Jays really were vying for a post season spot. 2020 was cool but a rotation of Ryu, Roark, Anderson, Shoemaker and Walker was meh.

Atkins has given us the best farm system in Blue Jays history. The focus on player development has really attracted prospects to the organization. Bo Bichette is a perfect example.

He’s pulled off trades that helped the team win in 2016 and has also pulled off trades to set the team up for present day. He’s made big name signings when it counts (Ryu, Springer, Gausman) while also avoiding potential franchise crippling signings (Price, Bautista, Donaldson)

I don’t know about you but I’ve never felt more confident about the team moving forward. This squad is a World Series contender for the next 2 years as assembled. On top of that, they have a top 10 farm and plenty of salary to go out and sign/re-sign more guys. AA have us nothing for 5 years then went all in for half a season of magic. Atkins has a potential dynasty all things considered.
03-22-2022, 04:26 PM
Raps18-19 Champ

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Originally Posted by hanton

How are you rating him? using what metrics?

Are you referring to me? At the end of the day its all obviously arbitrary.

Some of the key ones to look at are playoff results (1 ALCS in 6 years), trades (JD trade vs Berrios trade, etc), signings (Martin vs Ryu), farm,. (AA had 3 years with top 10 farm and I think Atkins had 4, etc), etc and they are all fairly equal as of now IMO.

Usually the problem is when we give guys credit for stuff that didnt happen yet. Like half the key signings and trades didnt even happen when this thread was made but praises were given for things that didnt happen. I mean hes so far away from Gillick yet its being discussed as someone hes getting there like its close.

When this thread was made, I didnt have AA above Atkins. 1 year after and they are fairly even IMO. And if Atkins makes the playoffs then I have no problem if people put him over AA.
03-22-2022, 07:46 PM
mike_noodles

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Originally Posted by R. Johnson#3

Okay so are you saying he’s on the same level as AA? Despite the amazing trades and endless supply of prospects?

All of that means nothing without winning. And we know as good as anyone that winning off seasons doesn’t mean winning baseball games. Give it time. You’re premature here. I do fully expect he’s number 2 by seasons end.
03-22-2022, 08:31 PM
R. Johnson#3

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Originally Posted by mike_noodles

All of that means nothing without winning. And we know as good as anyone that winning off seasons doesn’t mean winning baseball games. Give it time. You’re premature here. I do fully expect he’s number 2 by seasons end.

Who has produced more winning squads than Atkins? I get that the team has to win but it’s not like anyone besides Gillick had more success than Atkins currently has.
03-22-2022, 10:57 PM
Raps18-19 Champ

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Originally Posted by mike_noodles

All of that means nothing without winning. And we know as good as anyone that winning off seasons doesn’t mean winning baseball games. Give it time. You’re premature here. I do fully expect he’s number 2 by seasons end.

Does he still become #2 if we dont make the playoffs? I cant decide if it can still help or hurt his case.
03-23-2022, 12:41 AM
hanton

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Originally Posted by Raps18-19 Champ

Are you referring to me? At the end of the day its all obviously arbitrary.

Some of the key ones to look at are playoff results (1 ALCS in 6 years), trades (JD trade vs Berrios trade, etc), signings (Martin vs Ryu), farm,. (AA had 3 years with top 10 farm and I think Atkins had 4, etc), etc and they are all fairly equal as of now IMO.

Usually the problem is when we give guys credit for stuff that didnt happen yet. Like half the key signings and trades didnt even happen when this thread was made but praises were given for things that didnt happen. I mean hes so far away from Gillick yet its being discussed as someone hes getting there like its close.

When this thread was made, I didnt have AA above Atkins. 1 year after and they are fairly even IMO. And if Atkins makes the playoffs then I have no problem if people put him over AA.

Not directed at anyone in particular
03-23-2022, 12:16 PM
ChongInc.

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Originally Posted by Raps18-19 Champ

Does he still become #2 if we dont make the playoffs? I cant decide if it can still help or hurt his case.

Gotta win the division banner. Those things matter in baseball.
03-23-2022, 12:28 PM
Raps18-19 Champ

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Originally Posted by ChongInc.

Gotta win the division banner. Those things matter in baseball.

Division banner is better than WC but only matters if the get far enough. If they lost 1st round as a division leader I wpuld be pretty disappointed. Like when Boston lost during Ortiz' last year.
03-23-2022, 12:43 PM
ChongInc.

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Originally Posted by Raps18-19 Champ

Division banner is better than WC but only matters if the get far enough. If they lost 1st round as a division leader I wpuld be pretty disappointed. Like when Boston lost during Ortiz' last year.

Disappointed for sure, but in baseball (and only baseball) I view winning the division as a huge achievment. I put it on a similar level to making the World Series finals and losing.

That’s why I have my bar set where it is. Winning the division OR making the finals would put him on par with AA’s achievements imo. Doing both of those things would have Atkins a notch above AA. Winning a championship has him a notch below gillick.
03-23-2022, 06:33 PM
hanton

28 pages of this?
03-23-2022, 07:07 PM
ChongInc.

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Originally Posted by hanton

28 pages of this?

Seeking validation.
03-23-2022, 07:16 PM
Raps18-19 Champ

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Originally Posted by ChongInc.

Seeking validation.

The thread was like 2 years early.
03-23-2022, 08:04 PM
hanton

honestly...just use war and be done with it, someone will have to do the work
03-23-2022, 08:56 PM
ChongInc.

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Originally Posted by Raps18-19 Champ

The thread was like 2 years early.

It’s still to early. This is the season that has the potential to change things. But also in year 7 which AA did not see here, and AA started with a far worse situation than atkins.

Regardless it all has the potential to work out perfectly for us fans. After 8 years of Ricardi this team needed a bold gunslinger to come in, tear it all apart, and build the franchise’s back end up again. If this all works out with Atkins (looks like it just might!), then it could have been perfect timing for a less emotional, more steady hand to come in and lead the freshly modernized blue Jays.

Should be an exciting season. Think I’ll try to make it out to a few games for the first time in a long time.

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