After 5 Years Is Ross Atkins the 2nd Best GM in Blue Jays History?

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Originally Posted by ChongInc.

Cue Reed with “you said Atkins couldn’t build a farm!”

Which I never said. Actually I said any one can build a farm when you aren’t trying to win at all.

I’ve been unimpressed with Atkins drafts since he implemented his own scouting staff, but time will tell. Some of these guys could develop and prove me wrong. Imo Pearson and Kirk aren’t enough to say he’s great at drafting. Yet.

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Defensive much? I wonder why...

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Originally Posted by R. Johnson#3

Defensive much? I wonder why...

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Because you’re so predictable.

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Originally Posted by ChongInc.

How has he proved me wrong about anything?

I was calling for him to sign springer. I never said “I bet he won’t”.
I said “if he doesn’t, he’s screwed”.

I’m betting if he didn’t bid 30 mil more then springer would be a met rn. For that, I thank Rogers (which pains me lol).

Even if Atkins builds a contender I will be overjoyed. I’ve never even said he cannot, just that he hasn’t before and I wonder if he can in the ALE. He hasn’t proved anything to me yet.

Seriously, where is the skill. He let an old team die slowly, and then bid 30mil more for 1 FA.
Bring on the skill Atkins! Nothing would make me happier!

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TBH, you been a naysayer and dooms day prophet since the day these guys took over. Never even willing to give them a chance. You are complaining right now that they overpaid. But if they didn't overpay, they don't land the big fish. Why not give kudos to them for being putting themselves in a position to overpay for a free agent and for recognizing that they needed to overpay to seal the deal?

Also, they have built the contender. The rebuild is over. Now it's time to put the finishing touches on it.

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Originally Posted by ChongInc.

Cue Reed with “you said Atkins couldn’t build a farm!”

Which I never said. Actually I said any one can build a farm when you aren’t trying to win at all.

I’ve been unimpressed with Atkins drafts since he implemented his own scouting staff, but time will tell. Some of these guys could develop and prove me wrong. Imo Pearson and Kirk aren’t enough to say he’s great at drafting. Yet.

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And here is evidence of exactly what I'm talking about.

When you say that anyone can build a farm when not trying to win, there's 15-20 clubs whose drafting and development proves your point is wrong.

Tzatziki Brigade!!! ASSEMBLE!

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Originally Posted by RR Cool Jay

He's like #4 for me. If MLB continues with an 8 team playoff from here on out, JP is vindicated in my book. JP would've made the playoffs lots under those rules.

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I respectfully disagree. In 8 years, JP had his 3 best seasons as GM with 87, 86, 86 wins hardly awe inspiring results. Terrible free agent signings, AJ Burnett, BJ Ryan, Cory Koskie, Frank Thomas. Drafting was exceptionally poor, all in all JP was a massive failure.

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Originally Posted by mike_noodles

Your top point doesn’t really stand up since Ricardo would have had 6 post season appearances in today’s world.

Points 2, 3 and 4 mean nothing without results.

Number 5 is awesome.

But, how many GMs have we had? 5-6? With only one two having some real success? The bar isn’t really that high. Hard to put him in the top based off of this season. He’s on the cusp of moving ahead of AA, but just not yet.

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He might have had 3 at most, and that's debatable, go back and look at his results.

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Originally Posted by Raps18-19 Champ

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That's very circumstantial though. Ricardi woulda made the playoffs 6 out of 8 times I think if he had 8 team playoffs. And that was when Yankees and Red Sox were dominating.

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Look at the above posts, maybe could have been 3 times but 87, 86, 86 win totals were his best 3 seasons. The other 5 years had no chance.

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Originally Posted by Sasky05

Look at the above posts, maybe could have been 3 times but 87, 86, 86 win totals were his best 3 seasons. The other 5 years had no chance.

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I’m not sure what you’re looking at. I’m saying if the playoff structure was 8 teams during Riccardi’s tenure they would have made the playoffs. It’s actually very easy to look up.

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Originally Posted by Sasky05

Look at the above posts, maybe could have been 3 times but 87, 86, 86 win totals were his best 3 seasons. The other 5 years had no chance.

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As mike said, if there were 8 team playoffs druing Ricardis time he would be in the playffs 6/8 times. Granted most would probably be 1st or 2nd round exits given how stacked the Yankees and Red Sox were.

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Originally Posted by Raps18-19 Champ

As mike said, if there were 8 team playoffs druing Ricardis time he would be in the playffs 6/8 times. Granted most would probably be 1st or 2nd round exits given how stacked the Yankees and Red Sox were.

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No he wouldn't have made the playoffs 6 times. His best 3 years were 87, 86, 86 for wins, so he might have had a chance to qualify maybe 3 times, but the win totals are iffy at best. Then he went 83 wins and less every other season, no chance in hell 83 wins would make the play-offs, not sure where you're getting your info from or how you think 83 wins is playoff qualifying.

Ricciardi worked for Billy Beane and part of his hire was that he convinced Jays brass that he could build a winner using moneyball that he learned working for Beane. That didn't work out very well. I posted previously a news article detailing how bad he was as the Jays GM. You should read it, google some more if you're not convinced but Ricciardi was NOT a good GM.

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Originally Posted by Sasky05

No he wouldn't have made the playoffs 6 times. His best 3 years were 87, 86, 86 for wins, so he might have had a chance to qualify maybe 3 times, but the win totals are iffy at best. Then he went 83 wins and less every other season, no chance in hell 83 wins would make the play-offs, not sure where you're getting your info from or how you think 83 wins is playoff qualifying.

Ricciardi worked for Billy Beane and part of his hire was that he convinced Jays brass that he could build a winner using moneyball that he learned working for Beane. That didn't work out very well. I posted previously a news article detailing how bad he was as the Jays GM. You should read it, google some more if you're not convinced but Ricciardi was NOT a good GM.

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Check winning %

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Originally Posted by Sasky05

No he wouldn't have made the playoffs 6 times. His best 3 years were 87, 86, 86 for wins, so he might have had a chance to qualify maybe 3 times, but the win totals are iffy at best. Then he went 83 wins and less every other season, no chance in hell 83 wins would make the play-offs, not sure where you're getting your info from or how you think 83 wins is playoff qualifying.

Ricciardi worked for Billy Beane and part of his hire was that he convinced Jays brass that he could build a winner using moneyball that he learned working for Beane. That didn't work out very well. I posted previously a news article detailing how bad he was as the Jays GM. You should read it, google some more if you're not convinced but Ricciardi was NOT a good GM.

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I think theres a misunderstanding here.

Under the 8 man playoff rules, the top 2 division leaders automatically get in. Them the next 2 teams with the best record get it. Under those rules, the Jays make the playoffs 6 times I believe.

Im not saying Ricardi was a good or not a good gm. I was just saying that some achievements are very circumstantial.

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Originally Posted by hanton

Check winning %

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I did he was under .500 as GM of the Jays

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Originally Posted by Sasky05

I did he was under .500 as GM of the Jays

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I meant with regards to making the expanded play-offs