After 5 Years Is Ross Atkins the 2nd Best GM in Blue Jays History?

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Originally Posted by hanton

you can't really time it, maybe with a team that was a player away but this team and at this time....we are in build mode with a chance to get to the WS within a few years (2021 - 2023) (viewing it in 2019/2020)

As we are discovering this season and I've mentioned it numerous times, there are too many variables and the FO needs to be quick on their feet to adjust for the unexpected.

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I agree with the second statement, but I’m having trouble deciphering the top part. Could you elaborate?

I'm still comfortable saying 2021 to be legit contenders. That gives the 3 sons 3 years of exp. I didnt expect the surrounding cast to be what it is but and their projection hasnt followed what I expected but Im fine with 2021 for now.

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Originally Posted by ChongInc.

I agree with the second statement, but I’m having trouble deciphering the top part. Could you elaborate?

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looking back at the start of the re-build (2017/2018) the window for contention would be roughly 2021 - 2023.

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Originally Posted by Raps18-19 Champ

I'm still comfortable saying 2021 to be legit contenders. That gives the 3 sons 3 years of exp. I didnt expect the surrounding cast to be what it is but and their projection hasnt followed what I expected but Im fine with 2021 for now.

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It’s 2021 right now bro.

Do you think we’re legit WS contenders by seasons end?

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Originally Posted by hanton

looking back at the start of the re-build (2017/2018) the window for contention would be roughly 2021 - 2023.

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Ahhh ok. Before the big guys get paid?

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Originally Posted by ChongInc.

Ahhh ok. Before the big guys get paid?

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yep. If Atkins can really focus and make it a clear goal, 2022 could be the season. It's funny though that Semien might not be on that team - but maybe Atkins signs a clone, the FA class for this up coming off season is very deep. I'm ok with that.

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Originally Posted by ChongInc.

It’s 2021 right now bro.

Do you think we’re legit WS contenders by seasons end?

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Sorry I mean Nov 2021 they should make moves when the sons have 3 years mlb exp after this year. So go sign guys in the Nov meetings.

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Originally Posted by hanton

yep. If Atkins can really focus and make it a clear goal, 2022 could be the season. It's funny though that Semien might not be on that team - but maybe Atkins signs a clone, the FA class for this up coming off season is very deep. I'm ok with that.

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I also see 2022 as the season to break out, because our pitching staff will have plenty of young guys and FA is loaded.

I’m optimistic we can get into the WC at least next season if the right moves are made. Just saying that we have 1 more season to try before my prediction that made some ppl go crazy becomes our best case scenario. The 2023 prediction was based on the youth carrying us, but obviously good FA signings can bump up the timeline.

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Originally Posted by Raps18-19 Champ

Sorry after 2021. When the sons have 3 years mlb exp

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Ahh that makes sense. The sons are definitely ready. It’s the young pitching that needs to catch up. You need aces to be considered true contenders.

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Originally Posted by ChongInc.

Ahh that makes sense. The sons are definitely ready. It’s the young pitching that needs to catch up. You need aces to be considered true contenders.

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Thats why I want to spend pitcchih this year. But we spent so much money on springer so hopefulky we still have enough for starters goven we only havr ryu under contract.

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Originally Posted by Raps18-19 Champ

Thats why I want to spend pitcchih this year. But we spent so much money on springer so hopefulky we still have enough for starters goven we only havr ryu under contract.

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Well I think we will have SWR and Manoah in there so that’s 3/5 with Ryu. If you look at the contenders they usually don’t rely on rookie pitchers to carry them to the WS, so if we can add an Ace and basically a whole new BP then I will warm up my popcorn.

Thats true. Though Im just factoring in my usual preference of 1 year worth of AAA for our prospects . Though we'll probably see a few young guys dstart the year in the MLB (could be Ryu, Manoah, SWR, Pearson, matz)

I just want to revisit this now that reality has set in for most of us.

If we miss the playoffs again next season, is atkins fired?
I personally think so. He cemented his own deadline with the Barrios trade.

Not saying if we miss the playoffs next season that we’re done and should rebuild, just saying that I think shapiro will replace Atkins if he cannot get the job done.

My personal preference would be to release both of them and hire Epstein, but I realize that is a dream.

If shapiro decides to hold onto Atkins following another missed postseason, there is no doubt in my mind that Atkins would be gone if me missed the playoffs 2 more times.

Nah if we miss this year then he'll be fine. He'll be given a chance to construct a team in 2022. This season is probably where most expected us to be anyway (upcoming team that was most likely 3rd in the division).

If we miss this year and next year I can see if he's on the hot seat.

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Originally Posted by Raps18-19 Champ

Nah if we miss this year then he'll be fine. He'll be given a chance to construct a team in 2022. This season is probably where most expected us to be anyway (upcoming team that was most likely 3rd in the division).

If we miss this year and next year I can see if he's on the hot seat.

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Sorry I think you misread my question. I was talking about if we miss the playoffs again next season (2022). This season is pretty much wrapped up barring a miracle, but I agree atkins should have a chance to patch this thing up this offseason. Honestly I can see a scenario where he sticks around even if we miss the playoffs next year too, but I will start getting really frustrated at that point wasting the rookie deals or our core.