After 5 Years Is Ross Atkins the 2nd Best GM in Blue Jays History?

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10-10-2022, 03:33 PM
ChongInc.

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Originally Posted by Raps18-19 Champ

They only bought out 1 free agent year I think. Its okay I guess but can see it blowing up.

I think Harris and Strider deals I woulda waited.

+20m option year so potentially 2 years of FA. Cost certainty is vital for a small market team as well. On top of marrying the players to the team. They’re all more invested in the teams success and the city. Baseball is pretty damn psychological.
10-10-2022, 03:33 PM
ChongInc.

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Originally Posted by hanton

do you offer Manoah that deal?

Yes please.
10-10-2022, 05:06 PM
Kenny Powders

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Originally Posted by ChongInc.

The big thing to remember here is that AA knows when to cut ties early enough before a players value plummets, and he also knows how to unload albatross contracts. Of all the GM’s in the entire league, these contracts are probably safest for him to sign over ANYBODY else.

Well to play devil's advocate he traded for guys like Josh Johnson, Jose Reyes and RA Dickey. I get it, he's a good GM but I don't think he's some sort of messiah.

I don't think he really has a track record of signing multiple players on his roster to 6-8 year deals and but I could be wrong. Strider could be something but he's also a guy that has a total of just over 200IP between college and the pros. That's not a lot and he barely bought out any FA years. Strider could be a gem...I hope he is and he has a nice easy delivery but pitchers flame out and even more get TJ surgery and are out for a year as well. A lot of risk signing a guy with such a short track record.

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10-10-2022, 09:27 PM
Robbie

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Originally Posted by Kenny Powders

Well to play devil's advocate he traded for guys like Josh Johnson, Jose Reyes and RA Dickey. I get it, he's a good GM but I don't think he's some sort of messiah.

I don't think he really has a track record of signing multiple players on his roster to 6-8 year deals and but I could be wrong. Strider could be something but he's also a guy that has a total of just over 200IP between college and the pros. That's not a lot and he barely bought out any FA years. Strider could be a gem...I hope he is and he has a nice easy delivery but pitchers flame out and even more get TJ surgery and are out for a year as well. A lot of risk signing a guy with such a short track record.

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I remember off season 2012 was very exciting for Jays fans. Then 2013 fell apart.
10-11-2022, 10:55 AM
ChongInc.

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Originally Posted by Robbie

I remember off season 2012 was very exciting for Jays fans. Then 2013 fell apart.

Yes that was the season that I stopped buying the hype and started trusting my own analysis more.
10-11-2022, 11:01 AM
R. Johnson#3

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Originally Posted by ChongInc.

[B]The big thing to remember here is that AA knows when to cut ties early enough before a players value plummets, [B]and he also knows how to unload albatross contracts. Of all the GM’s in the entire league, these contracts are probably safest for him to sign over ANYBODY else.

He sure does. 2015 is a perfect example.
10-11-2022, 11:20 AM
ChongInc.

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Originally Posted by R. Johnson#3

He sure does. 2015 is a perfect example.

Your poor butt. Glad to see you miss him too though.
10-11-2022, 11:28 AM
R. Johnson#3

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Originally Posted by ChongInc.

Your poor butt. Glad to see you miss him too though.

No need to get testy. I was agreeing with you.
10-11-2022, 11:43 AM
ChongInc.

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Originally Posted by R. Johnson#3

No need to get testy. I was agreeing with you.

Testy? I haven’t seen any valid points that disagree with anything I’ve said. Snarky maybe, but certainly not testy. Validated if anything.
10-11-2022, 11:47 AM
Kenny Powders

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Originally Posted by ChongInc.

Testy? I haven’t seen any valid points that disagree with anything I’ve said. Snarky maybe, but certainly not testy. Validated if anything.

You're not very good at reading then

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10-11-2022, 11:51 AM
ChongInc.

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Originally Posted by Kenny Powders

You're not very good at reading then

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Valid my friend. Valid.
10-11-2022, 11:54 AM
R. Johnson#3

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Originally Posted by ChongInc.

Testy? I haven’t seen any valid points that disagree with anything I’ve said. Snarky maybe, but certainly not testy. Validated if anything.

Simmer down there, tootz.
10-11-2022, 11:55 AM
ChongInc.

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Originally Posted by R. Johnson#3

Simmer down there, tootz.

You get like this when I’m right. Validated.
10-11-2022, 11:56 AM
Kenny Powders

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Originally Posted by ChongInc.

You get like this when I’m right. Validated.

But you're not right. Many of your points have been countered

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10-11-2022, 12:02 PM
ChongInc.

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Originally Posted by Kenny Powders

But you're not right. Many of your points have been countered

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That kukchi is still on the roster? Ok win for you I guess lol.

Sharing counter opinions is not disproving me btw lol. It’s called a conversation but this isn’t islam and I’m not a woman. Your words do not count for more than mine unless backed by something valid.
10-11-2022, 12:04 PM
R. Johnson#3

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Originally Posted by ChongInc.

You get like this when I’m right. Validated.

There you go with your hypothetical facts again.
10-11-2022, 12:05 PM
Kenny Powders

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Originally Posted by ChongInc.

That kukchi is still on the roster? Ok win for you I guess lol.

Sharing counter opinions is not disproving me btw lol. It’s called a conversation but this isn’t islam and I’m not a woman. Your words do not count for more than mine unless backed by something valid.

You get like this when I'm right. Validated.

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10-11-2022, 12:06 PM
ChongInc.

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Originally Posted by Kenny Powders

You get like this when I'm right. Validated.

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Been waiting for you to tell me what you’re right about. You haven’t really made any points.
10-11-2022, 12:07 PM
R. Johnson#3

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Originally Posted by ChongInc.

Been waiting for you to tell me what you’re right about. You haven’t really made any points.

Sure he did.
10-11-2022, 11:30 PM
Robbie

If Mariners upset the Astros does that make Atkins better?
10-12-2022, 11:08 AM
ChongInc.

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Originally Posted by Robbie

If Mariners upset the Astros does that make Atkins better?

In my opinion no.
10-13-2022, 04:25 PM
pebloemer

Not sure there is much to discuss at this point.

Ranking GM’s is an exercise best when careers are over.

What is the objective measure to we want to see. Wins per games played? Playoff games compared to seasons under contract? How far a GM has take a team into the playoffs?

The latter would have me believe that this conversation remains premature years later

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