Yankee off season thread, news, notes, rumors and ideas

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Originally Posted by sauronthepower

If not for the postseason heroics of one Alexander Emmanuel Rodriguez, this franchise would now be facing a solid 20 year deficit between World Series championships.

The same Alexander Emmanuel Rodriguez who Brian Cashman very arrogantly and very publicly cut off negotiations with using the media to air the franchise dirty laundry in a public medium.

The same Alexander Emmanuel Rodriguez who had to end-around both his agent AND Brian Cashman by using a backdoor mediary in Goldman Sachs executive Gerald Cardinale to open a direct line of negotiations with Hal.

The same Alexander Emmanuel Rodriguez that Brian Cashman wanted absolutely no part of and wasn’t afraid to let the world at large know it.

Last night they ran a graphic during the postgame show outlining that it’s been 25 years since the Braves won a World Series title, as if that were a shock.

Let’s all take a moment of perspective silence to ruminate about just how close we were to being in that conversation.

If Brian Cashman had his way, this drought would have eclipsed the Reggie to Derek streak that we all love to cite when expounding upon the virtues of the dynasty.

And yet Brian Cashman is still allowed to collect meaningful compensation for a p/$s-poor, substandard job performance.

And we all wonder what the problem is.

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cashman has been the yankee gm since 1998. yanks have won 1 world series in 20 years no accountability for the yanks failures when it comes to cashman..

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Originally Posted by johnny ny

cashman has been the yankee gm since 1998. yanks have won 1 world series in 20 years no accountability for the yanks failures when it comes to cashman..

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That was proven when they gave cashman a 5 year deal after 2016 ....

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Originally Posted by sauronthepower

If not for the postseason heroics of one Alexander Emmanuel Rodriguez, this franchise would now be facing a solid 20 year deficit between World Series championships.

The same Alexander Emmanuel Rodriguez who Brian Cashman very arrogantly and very publicly cut off negotiations with using the media to air the franchise dirty laundry in a public medium.

The same Alexander Emmanuel Rodriguez who had to end-around both his agent AND Brian Cashman by using a backdoor mediary in Goldman Sachs executive Gerald Cardinale to open a direct line of negotiations with Hal.

The same Alexander Emmanuel Rodriguez that Brian Cashman wanted absolutely no part of and wasn’t afraid to let the world at large know it.

Last night they ran a graphic during the postgame show outlining that it’s been 25 years since the Braves won a World Series title, as if that were a shock.

Let’s all take a moment of perspective silence to ruminate about just how close we were to being in that conversation.

If Brian Cashman had his way, this drought would have eclipsed the Reggie to Derek streak that we all love to cite when expounding upon the virtues of the dynasty.

And yet Brian Cashman is still allowed to collect meaningful compensation for a p/$s-poor, substandard job performance.

And we all wonder what the problem is.

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So the argument frame: A-Rod extension was solely responsible for 2009 postseason, and the corollary assumption they don't win in 2009 without him? I thought it was a team sport....I guess we'll save that for another day.

The same Alexander Emmanuel Rodriguez who was summarily crucified for his postseason performance in three successive appearances? Who appeared to have soiled his PJ's again in games one and two of the WS? That guy?

The same Alexander Emmanuel Rodriguez who was summarily dismissed as unworthy of the extension that resulted in those 2009 heroics. Signing the extension in a season they failed to make the postseason?

The loser, failure and choke labels are over for A-Rod due in large part to the 2009 postseason. One October full of great playoff magic wiped away the miserable past and wrote a new more pleasant chapter.

The $275M Yankees gave A-Rod in December of 2007 paid off with a 27th ring. A-Rod finished 5-for-20, hitting .250 with one home run and six RBI. Let's not forget the World Series MVP, Hideki Matsui who who would drive in a record-tying six runs in the Series clincher.

Who signed signed C.C. , Teixeira and A.J. Burnett over the winter?

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Originally Posted by drt1010

So the argument frame: A-Rod extension was solely responsible for 2009 postseason, and the corollary assumption they don't win in 2009 without him? I thought it was a team sport....I guess we'll save that for another day.

The same Alexander Emmanuel Rodriguez who was summarily crucified for his postseason performance in three successive appearances? Who appeared to have soiled his PJ's again in games one and two of the WS? That guy?

The same Alexander Emmanuel Rodriguez who was summarily dismissed as unworthy of the extension that resulted in those 2009 heroics. Signing the extension in a season they failed to make the postseason?

The loser, failure and choke labels are over for A-Rod due in large part to the 2009 postseason. One October full of great playoff magic wiped away the miserable past and wrote a new more pleasant chapter.

The $275M Yankees gave A-Rod in December of 2007 paid off with a 27th ring. A-Rod finished 5-for-20, hitting .250 with one home run and six RBI. Let's not forget the World Series MVP, Hideki Matsui who who would drive in a record-tying six runs in the Series clincher.

Who signed signed C.C. , Teixeira and A.J. Burnett over the winter?

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Still can’t deny that free agency is why we aren’t looking at 20 years without a World Series title .

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Originally Posted by drt1010

So the argument frame: A-Rod extension was solely responsible for 2009 postseason, and the corollary assumption they don't win in 2009 without him? I thought it was a team sport....I guess we'll save that for another day.

The same Alexander Emmanuel Rodriguez who was summarily crucified for his postseason performance in three successive appearances? Who appeared to have soiled his PJ's again in games one and two of the WS? That guy?

The same Alexander Emmanuel Rodriguez who was summarily dismissed as unworthy of the extension that resulted in those 2009 heroics. Signing the extension in a season they failed to make the postseason?

The loser, failure and choke labels are over for A-Rod due in large part to the 2009 postseason. One October full of great playoff magic wiped away the miserable past and wrote a new more pleasant chapter.

The $275M Yankees gave A-Rod in December of 2007 paid off with a 27th ring. A-Rod finished 5-for-20, hitting .250 with one home run and six RBI. Let's not forget the World Series MVP, Hideki Matsui who who would drive in a record-tying six runs in the Series clincher.

Who signed signed C.C. , Teixeira and A.J. Burnett over the winter?

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What this says to me is that yes you can win a WS with guys who whiff a lot like Rodriguez (Stanton and Judge) but you also have to have guys who put the ball in play like Matsui. Matsui only once struck out over a 100 times in 5 seasons of 140+ games. Cano, Jeter, Damon all contact hitters. Man, that 2009 lineup was so balanced with righty, lefty and switch hitters and contact/sluggers.

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Originally Posted by 808yankee

What this says to me is that yes you can win a WS with guys who whiff a lot like Rodriguez (Stanton and Judge) but you also have to have guys who put the ball in play like Matsui. Matsui only once struck out over a 100 times in 5 seasons of 140+ games. Cano, Jeter, Damon all contact hitters. Man, that 2009 lineup was so balanced with righty, lefty and switch hitters and contact/sluggers.

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Yep! Very well balanced, contact guys who hit it where it was pitched. Knew how to play situational BB, but also had enough power when it was needed. CC also pitched pretty well :) as did Burnett and Pettite. Mo was Mo, Hughes and Robertson were exceptional in their roles.

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Originally Posted by drt1010

Yep! Very well balanced, contact guys who hit it where it was pitched. Knew how to play situational BB, but also had enough power when it was needed. CC also pitched pretty well :) as did Burnett and Pettite. Mo was Mo, Hughes and Robertson were exceptional in their roles.

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Hughes was NOT exceptional in his role in the 2009 playoffs as a whole . In fact he had his arse handed to him in the World Series .

Tim Naehring apparently high on several GM vacancy lists.

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Originally Posted by drt1010

Tim Naehring apparently high on several GM vacancy lists.

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Good for him , not like he has done a whole lot for the Yankees . I mean the reds did fire him before when he was head of player development there .

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Originally Posted by Posada20

Hughes was NOT exceptional in his role in the 2009 playoffs as a whole . In fact he had his arse handed to him in the World Series .

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Read Jorge. The season as a whole, not simply postseason.

He had a very rough postseason in 2009.

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Originally Posted by 808yankee

What this says to me is that yes you can win a WS with guys who whiff a lot like Rodriguez (Stanton and Judge) but you also have to have guys who put the ball in play like Matsui. Matsui only once struck out over a 100 times in 5 seasons of 140+ games. Cano, Jeter, Damon all contact hitters. Man, that 2009 lineup was so balanced with righty, lefty and switch hitters and contact/sluggers.

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Matsui was the other piece of that puzzle in ‘09 however the onus, to me, always reflwcts back to ARod.

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Originally Posted by drt1010

Examining The Yankees’ 2021 Payroll Situation
By TC Zencka | October 17, 2020 at 7:10pm CDT

Sherman suggests the Yankees will want to steer clear of exceeding the $210MM luxury tax line, which means taking a significant step back payroll-wise. Making it easier for GM Brian Cashman will be a whole slew of contracts coming off the books: James Paxton ($12.5MM), Masahiro Tanaka ($23MM), DJ LeMahieu ($12MM), J.A. Happ ($17MM), Jacoby Ellsbury ($5MM), and Brett Gardner ($7.5MM).
https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2020/...situation.html

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Sherman’s numbers are way off.

Gardner is making something like 11, Tanaka is at 25, and Ellsbury is at 22. Ellsbury is not at 5million.

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Originally Posted by johnny ny

cashman has been the yankee gm since 1998. yanks have won 1 world series in 20 years no accountability for the yanks failures when it comes to cashman..

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I do not disagree.

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Originally Posted by drt1010

So the argument frame: A-Rod extension was solely responsible for 2009 postseason, and the corollary assumption they don't win in 2009 without him? I thought it was a team sport....I guess we'll save that for another day.

The same Alexander Emmanuel Rodriguez who was summarily crucified for his postseason performance in three successive appearances? Who appeared to have soiled his PJ's again in games one and two of the WS? That guy?

The same Alexander Emmanuel Rodriguez who was summarily dismissed as unworthy of the extension that resulted in those 2009 heroics. Signing the extension in a season they failed to make the postseason?

The loser, failure and choke labels are over for A-Rod due in large part to the 2009 postseason. One October full of great playoff magic wiped away the miserable past and wrote a new more pleasant chapter.

The $275M Yankees gave A-Rod in December of 2007 paid off with a 27th ring. A-Rod finished 5-for-20, hitting .250 with one home run and six RBI. Let's not forget the World Series MVP, Hideki Matsui who who would drive in a record-tying six runs in the Series clincher.

Who signed signed C.C. , Teixeira and A.J. Burnett over the winter?

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Doc, we all know your rampant dislike for ARod.

It’s been well-documented.

The point that I am making, backed by both history and fact, is that, regardless of ARod’s various other foibles (and I agree that they are many), you can’t seriously try to posit that Alexander Emmanuel Rodriguez did not singlehandedly deliver the postseason heroics that got them Brian Cashman’s one true championship.

Team sport minus ARod in 2009 equals no championship.

It really is that simple.

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Originally Posted by drt1010

Tim Naehring apparently high on several GM vacancy lists.

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Good.

Let him lose for another franchise for a change.

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Originally Posted by sauronthepower

Sherman’s numbers are way off.

Gardner is making something like 11, Tanaka is at 25, and Ellsbury is at 22. Ellsbury is not at 5million.

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I agree. Ellsbury was under contract for more than $21M in 2020 and had a $5M buyout for the 2021 . Yankees disputed his contract for this season and refused to pay following his unconditional release. IDK, maybe he was only calculating the buyout? Also agree Gardy and Tanks numbers are off but not by large amount.

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Originally Posted by drt1010

I agree. Ellsbury was under contract for more than $21M in 2020 and had a $5M buyout for the 2021 . Yankees disputed his contract for this season and refused to pay following his unconditional release. IDK, maybe he was only calculating the buyout? Also agree Gardy and Tanks numbers are off but not by large amount.

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Agree.