Yankee off season thread, news, notes, rumors and ideas

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Originally Posted by dayners81

Great sounds like were going to see another 2008 type yr. Absolutely nothing Cash or Hal have said or they have done gives me any confidence in them putting together a team next yr thats going to seriously compete for a Championship next yr.

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The 2008 team had a better rotation than this current team . Musssina , wang and pettitte were better than what they got now after cole . What killed them were injuries . If anything next season will be like what we saw from 2013 to 2016 . When they only had aging cc and a decent Tanaka . It is gonna be a sad season . Can only hope sevy returns to his 2018 form in 2022 or we could end up seeing a repeat of the early 90s for the next few years. As for e we hat cashman says , the 2018 off season taught me to not pay attention to a single word out of cashman’s or Hal’s mouths . They are liars and truly don’t care about winning a ws .

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Originally Posted by EAGLES3658

Anyone saying they'd trade Torres+ for Castillo is underrating Torres. People were also talking about Torres for Lindor which is underrating him.

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I agree a middle infielder with his potential, 4 years of control and being as young as he is, may be worth more than a 1-2 type pitcher with 3 years of control.

I haven't seen anyone suggest the Yanks make that trade though, just their opinion on what they think it would cost though?

Then again I have a few people on ignore so..

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Originally Posted by OhSoSlick

I agree a middle infielder with his potential, 4 years of control and being as young as he is, may be worth more than a 1-2 type pitcher with 3 years of control.

I haven't seen anyone suggest the Yanks make that trade though, just their opinion on what they think it would cost though?

Then again I have a few people on ignore so..

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I think people forget Torres was only 23 this past season. Castillo is 4 years older than him. Castillo is very good but does beat up on a lot of bad offenses. I just wouldn't give up a cornerstone piece for a #2 pitcher. Pitchers break too easily. Torres is a potentially franchise altering talent.

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Originally Posted by EAGLES3658

I think people forget Torres was only 23 this past season. Castillo is 4 years older than him. Castillo is very good but does beat up on a lot of bad offenses. I just wouldn't give up a cornerstone piece for a #2 pitcher. Pitchers break too easily. Torres is a potentially franchise altering talent.

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I'd be willing to part with Andujar and anyone in the minors not named The Martian. For either him, or Lindor.

Question remains, would they prefer quality / quantity, or a mix of both.

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Originally Posted by OhSoSlick

I'd be willing to part with Andujar and anyone in the minors not named The Martian. For either him, or Lindor.

Question remains, would they prefer quality / quantity, or a mix of both.

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Oh absolutely. I'd send Frazier for him as well.

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Originally Posted by EAGLES3658

I think people forget Torres was only 23 this past season. Castillo is 4 years older than him. Castillo is very good but does beat up on a lot of bad offenses. I just wouldn't give up a cornerstone piece for a #2 pitcher. Pitchers break too easily. Torres is a potentially franchise altering talent.

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What I want to know is where did anyone read that it would take Torres to get Castillo ? But if that is what it did take then I would do it . Not because I am underrating Torres but because they need a #2 a lot more than they need Torres . As good as Torres is , they won’t win a ws until they fully address their biggest problem . And that is the rotation after cole . I mean people forget in order to get quality you have to give up quality .

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Originally Posted by PJO34

The Reds would likely require at least Torres, Garcia, Frazier, and a lottery ticket just to consider trading Castillo.

Lindor would require less (I outlined a fair trade a few pages back).

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Here is one of the post. We are talking about Castillo right? Not 26 year old Kershaw? Or 26 year old Sale?

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Originally Posted by EAGLES3658

Here is one of the post. We are talking about Castillo right? Not 26 year old Kershaw? Or 26 year old Sale?

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Ok what was his source that said torres would be required to get Castillo ? Because from what I read it could take Gil , Dominguez and Garcia to get Castillo . Remember the reds are trying to shed payroll so why would they shed 4 mill in salary in Castillo just to take on 3 mill or so in salary in Torres ? Torres this past season made 3 mill , and will get more than 3 mill in 2022 since he is under arbitration . Castillo makes 4 mill for 2021 . Reds won’t trade Castillo to save just a million or less . They want to save the 4 mill on Castillo

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Originally Posted by Posada20

Ok what was his source that said torres would be required to get Castillo ? Because from what I read it could take Gil , Dominguez and Garcia to get Castillo . Remember the reds are trying to shed payroll so why would they shed 4 mill in salary in Castillo just to take on 3 mill or so in salary in Torres ? Torres this past season made 3 mill , and will get more than 3 mill in 2022 since he is under arbitration . Castillo makes 4 mill for 2021 . Reds won’t trade Castillo to save just a million or less . They want to save the 4 mill on Castillo

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Source? This is a forum of people speaking their opinions.

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Originally Posted by EAGLES3658

Source? This is a forum of people speaking their opinions.

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Exactly it’s opinions , what I am asking is why do people think it would take torres to get Castillo ?

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Originally Posted by EAGLES3658

Oh absolutely. I'd send Frazier for him as well.

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Then they need to bring back Gardner, again.

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Originally Posted by PJO34

dayners81 channeling his inner Eeyore. :)

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A little bit, its just so frustrating to see all these fairly simple ways for us to get much better and for Cash and Hal not do anything about it. I don't think starting the yr with the rotation pieces we have, like Cash mentioned, is going to get us anywhere close to the WS.

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Originally Posted by EAGLES3658

I think people forget Torres was only 23 this past season. Castillo is 4 years older than him. Castillo is very good but does beat up on a lot of bad offenses. I just wouldn't give up a cornerstone piece for a #2 pitcher. Pitchers break too easily. Torres is a potentially franchise altering talent.

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I'm a big supporter of Torres, I think he adds a lot to the lineup, but it has been 3 years already and honestly, he doesn't look all that much better than Lindor, outside of his clutch hitting. If Lindor is as good as he'll become, as far as the bat goes, then i would absolutely trade him for Castillo, and simply re-sign Didi.

I know everyone sees Frazier as expendable, but with his ability to possibly play all 3 outfield positions, especially when you have 3 walking injuries, in Stanton, Judge and Hicks out there, he's more important now than ever. Not to mention he was also one of the top hitters on the team last season. I also don't see a scenario where Cincy would simply take frazier without asking for Deivi, whereas if Torres was offered, they might consider that a straight up trade.

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Originally Posted by Webslinger

I'm a big supporter of Torres, I think he adds a lot to the lineup, but it has been 3 years already and honestly, he doesn't look all that much better than Lindor, outside of his clutch hitting. If Lindor is as good as he'll become, as far as the bat goes, then i would absolutely trade him for Castillo, and simply re-sign Didi.

I know everyone sees Frazier as expendable, but with his ability to possibly play all 3 outfield positions, especially when you have 3 walking injuries, in Stanton, Judge and Hicks out there, he's more important now than ever. Not to mention he was also one of the top hitters on the team last season. I also don't see a scenario where Cincy would simply take frazier without asking for Deivi, whereas if Torres was offered, they might consider that a straight up trade.

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It's been 3 years already and what? The guy had a 125 wRC+ and hit 38 home runs as a 22 year old. The kid is a stud and there are very few players in baseball you trade him for. He is not even close to hitting his prime. He is what you call an "untouchable."

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Originally Posted by EAGLES3658

It's been 3 years already and what? The guy had a 125 wRC+ and hit 38 home runs as a 22 year old. The kid is a stud and there are very few players in baseball you trade him for. He is not even close to hitting his prime. He is what you call an "untouchable."

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I completely agree with u about Torres, there are very few players i would consider trading Torres for. He's to young and has proven to much to be traded for anything less than a no doubt generational talent