Yankee off season thread, news, notes, rumors and ideas

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Originally Posted by dayners81

I was rather shocked that he showed up as well. Everything he said was complete crap. Now that you mention it there was a cousin involved, i just don't remember if that was the connection to Manny or Harper.

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His cousin knew a guy who used to date Machado's girl's, sister's friend and said that she once heard her sister and Manny's girl say "New York" when talking about plans they'd like to go for a visit.

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Originally Posted by kj244

If Sevy ad German are our answers, then we are in big trouble.

The short answer is Sevy hasn't pitched in 3 years. Nobody knows what he will be? Maybe he will be Matt Harvey. Either way, I don't see him contributing much in 2021.

German is another question mark that hasn't pitched in 2 years. He had one very good year for us, but I never really looked at him as a TORP. He just doesn't have the ability to pitch deep enough. And, his 7+ ERA in the Dominican league is given me no reason to trust him. Either way, I don't see him contributing in 2021, unless he's in the BP.

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Got any info on Bauer?

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Originally Posted by Posada20

Really how did it work out picking up Stanton ‘s contract ? And now you want to tie up another 20 to 30 mill at SS when they don’t really need another ss . Tell me how getting lindor or dj puts them any closer to a World Series when they don’t have nearly enough pitching to make it there ? And Bauer doesn’t have to be very close to cole , he just needs to be the number 2 starter the Yankees need . I still would rather sign Bauer and just go with one low risk high reward option for ss for next season since there will be Very good short stops available at the deadline and after next season . That makes a lot more sense . And it also makes no sense to worry so much about the later years of a contract when their current window is only another 2 years . I mean tell me who is going to replace Britton and Chapman when they hit free agency in 2 years ? What are they gonna do about Sanchez and judge when they hit free agency in 2 years ? Those are the things that need to be worried about. Not what will happen in 5 plus years .

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How can you be a Yankee fan and not know that they are always looking towards the future, thats a big reason they have had 28 consecutive winning seasons.

They actually do need a SS and while there are some top level SS going to be available but if you look closer only 2 are really fits for the Yanks. Seager is highly unlikely to leave LA, Correa can't stay healthy, Baez is another RHed high K all or nothing type hitter. Story and Lindor are the only ones that would really make sense and Lindor is the younger, better player and is a SH so he would help balance out the lineup. He also is just entering his prime and has his best yrs in front of him, plus he average 150 GP per yr which is an added bonus.

Bauer doesn't have to be close to as good as Cole? seriously? if your going to commit 30-35m per yr for 7 plus yrs, or any length of time for that matter he absolutely needs to put up numbers that are as elite as the salary your committing to him. Bauer has not proven outside of 1 season and an 11 games last yr, he deserves anywhere close to that kind of money. Just because he's the best available FA starter doesn't mean he's the best fit for the Yanks. If Bauer return to his avg season of being about a 2 WAR player, we stuck paying him 30-35m till his late 30's. If the Yanks pay someone that kind of money i would like a bit more of a proven track record before taking on that kind of massive risk, so it doesn't make alot more sense to sign Bauer. If were lucky Bauer would pitch 200 innings each yr, which he has only done once in his career which is another reason he isn't worth that much money, where Lindor has averaged 150 games a yr. A position player effect far more games than a pitcher

Why worry about replacing Chapman and Britton now? When we needed BP arms they went out and got them. If all the arms in the system that have such high ceilings can't fill roles in the BP as they start to come up, then i'm sure they will go out and trade or sign what they need just like they did with Chapman, Britton, Kahnle, Drob, Miller ect.

Your seriously worried about replacing Sanchez? according to you he should have been gone already. He has alot to prove before i'd worry about losing or extending him. As far as a replacement, we have drafted 3 catchers in the 1st or 2nd round the last couple of drafts and signed the top IFA catcher available 2 other yrs.

No one know what to do about Judge at this point. They need those 2yrs to find out if he can stay healthy. If he can't play more than a 110 games a yr he isn't going to be worth the kind of contract that he is going to command.

Another advantage to Lindor is he has all the tools, talent and personality to become the face of this franchise if Judge doesn't workout.

If your so confident in your ability to put together a better team than me why won't you take me up on our little bet?

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Originally Posted by dayners81

Bauer want Cole type money and he alone isn't enough to fix all the issues the Yanks have for next yr. I don't disagree about moving on from DJ, especially if he insist on 5yr, but they are going to use their whole budget on 1 player. There hasn't been on spec of info from a reliable source that has connected the Yanks being seriously interested in Bauer. Plus with the contentious relationship Cole and Bauer have dating all the way back to college, do you really think its wise to bring in someone who would likely cause issues with 1 of the top 2 pitchers in baseball.

They desperately need a #2 but its incredibly unlikely its going to be Bauer. Committing 70m a yr very long term to 2 pitchers that will finish their contract in their late 30 could cause some serious financial flexibility issues long term.

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No way Bauer deserves Cole money. I don't think he will get it. I think that would have happened already. I also don't think he signs a deal in NY, with either team if it means he makes less than Cole.

I hope I'm wrong and he signs a deal (for simplicities sake) 5 years at 140. 28 per? 4 a year less than Cole
I haven't seen anyone suggest him getting more than 30 per and I haven't seen that in a while. Then again, I haven't been looking.

IMO Sevy and German combo >Bauer. They will have an impact in 2021 AND for far less bread.

No way does Bauer deserve Cole level money. Also don't need the headache.

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Originally Posted by drt1010

IMO Sevy and German combo >Bauer. They will have an impact in 2021 AND for far less bread.

No way does Bauer deserve Cole level money. Also don't need the headache.

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Can I ask you what you base that on? Sevy hasn’t pitched in 2 years and German isn’t doing well against AAA type batters in the Dominican league . Now if you said sevy will have an impact in the second half I can agree with that but I just find it hard to believe that German is really going to have such a great impact in the first half that him and sevy combined will be better than Bauer . While I do agree Bauer isn’t worth Bauer type money I find it very hard to believe that he would be such a headache that he isn’t worth going after . I mean you have no problem with the headache wife beater German being the yanks #2 starter and all . And you don’t get much bigger of a headache than a wife beater

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Originally Posted by dayners81

How can you be a Yankee fan and not know that they are always looking towards the future, thats a big reason they have had 28 consecutive winning seasons.

They actually do need a SS and while there are some top level SS going to be available but if you look closer only 2 are really fits for the Yanks. Seager is highly unlikely to leave LA, Correa can't stay healthy, Baez is another RHed high K all or nothing type hitter. Story and Lindor are the only ones that would really make sense and Lindor is the younger, better player and is a SH so he would help balance out the lineup. He also is just entering his prime and has his best yrs in front of him, plus he average 150 GP per yr which is an added bonus.

Bauer doesn't have to be close to as good as Cole? seriously? if your going to commit 30-35m per yr for 7 plus yrs, or any length of time for that matter he absolutely needs to put up numbers that are as elite as the salary your committing to him. Bauer has not proven outside of 1 season and an 11 games last yr, he deserves anywhere close to that kind of money. Just because he's the best available FA starter doesn't mean he's the best fit for the Yanks. If Bauer return to his avg season of being about a 2 WAR player, we stuck paying him 30-35m till his late 30's. If the Yanks pay someone that kind of money i would like a bit more of a proven track record before taking on that kind of massive risk, so it doesn't make alot more sense to sign Bauer. If were lucky Bauer would pitch 200 innings each yr, which he has only done once in his career which is another reason he isn't worth that much money, where Lindor has averaged 150 games a yr. A position player effect far more games than a pitcher

Why worry about replacing Chapman and Britton now? When we needed BP arms they went out and got them. If all the arms in the system that have such high ceilings can't fill roles in the BP as they start to come up, then i'm sure they will go out and trade or sign what they need just like they did with Chapman, Britton, Kahnle, Drob, Miller ect.

Your seriously worried about replacing Sanchez? according to you he should have been gone already. He has alot to prove before i'd worry about losing or extending him. As far as a replacement, we have drafted 3 catchers in the 1st or 2nd round the last couple of drafts and signed the top IFA catcher available 2 other yrs.

No one know what to do about Judge at this point. They need those 2yrs to find out if he can stay healthy. If he can't play more than a 110 games a yr he isn't going to be worth the kind of contract that he is going to command.

Another advantage to Lindor is he has all the tools, talent and personality to become the face of this franchise if Judge doesn't workout.

If your so confident in your ability to put together a better team than me why won't you take me up on our little bet?

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Funny you have no problem thinking German will be the Yankees #2 starter based on just one season but don’t offer the same level of confidence in Bauer in one season as well especially when he had a very similar year in 2017 to the year that German did in 2019 too . That just doesn’t jive with me

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Originally Posted by drt1010

Technically, but in name only. For the purpose of our discussion it was more about innings pitched. Imo it is of less relevance if the "opener" starts and pitches 1 inning and German comes in to pitch 5-6.

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So if pitcher "A" pitches the first 3 innings and pitcher "B" comes in and pitches the remainder of the game, who was the starting pitcher? That would be pitcher "A". How many innings one pitches doesn't change that.

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Originally Posted by dayners81

Rays get Wacha for 3m. Those are the kind of low risk. high reward type signings we should be making, especially for the BP

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Wacha would have been a very nice end of rotation guy.

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Originally Posted by Posada20

Can I ask you what you base that on? Sevy hasn’t pitched in 2 years and German isn’t doing well against AAA type batters in the Dominican league . Now if you said sevy will have an impact in the second half I can agree with that but I just find it hard to believe that German is really going to have such a great impact in the first half that him and sevy combined will be better than Bauer . While I do agree Bauer isn’t worth Bauer type money I find it very hard to believe that he would be such a headache that he isn’t worth going after . I mean you have no problem with the headache wife beater German being the yanks #2 starter and all . And you don’t get much bigger of a headache than a wife beater

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Well....Sevy is expected back in June. Early in season. All reports have him progressing well. German....can't read too much into an early winter ball performance. I expect he's getting rid of the rust, recall he hasn't faced live batters in quite some time.

In addition. In a very simplistic, reductionist manner: In 2019 German posted a 2.1 WAR. In 2017 -18 Sevy posted a 5.4 and 4.1 WAR. Except for the one outlier (2018 5.8) Bauer is at or below 2 WAR. In fact there are several negative WAR seasons on his resume'.

Germans' issues are to be taken seriously, however they are personal issues and demons he will need to resolve. Bauers issues effect the clubhouse and team directly. His friction with Cole can't be underestimated. His BIG mouth and propensity to shoot from the lip is, imo, an unwelcome distraction. Too often the focus is on ME with Bauer rather than the team. Is he a great pitcher? Imo that is also debatable based on overall career performance. Is he the best pitcher available? Yes. Does that justify over paying ? No. Is the extra baggage worth the gamble? No.

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Originally Posted by Posada20

Can I ask you what you base that on? Sevy hasn’t pitched in 2 years and German isn’t doing well against AAA type batters in the Dominican league . Now if you said sevy will have an impact in the second half I can agree with that but I just find it hard to believe that German is really going to have such a great impact in the first half that him and sevy combined will be better than Bauer . While I do agree Bauer isn’t worth Bauer type money I find it very hard to believe that he would be such a headache that he isn’t worth going after . I mean you have no problem with the headache wife beater German being the yanks #2 starter and all . And you don’t get much bigger of a headache than a wife beater

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Still spinning your tales. NO ONE said German would be the #2 starter....NO ONE.

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Originally Posted by YANKSGUY

So if pitcher "A" pitches the first 3 innings and pitcher "B" comes in and pitches the remainder of the game, who was the starting pitcher? That would be pitcher "A". How many innings one pitches doesn't change that.

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You are of course correct. However we were discussing innings pitched, irrespective of who "started" the game.

This team doesn't need Sevy to be good until late in the season. If he could round into form late in the season then that would be fantastic. The regular season isn't going to be a problem. It isn't like this team is a fringe playoff team. The lineup will mash and carry them through the regular season.

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Originally Posted by drt1010

Well....Sevy is expected back in June. Early in season. All reports have him progressing well. German....can't read too much into an early winter ball performance. I expect he's getting rid of the rust, recall he hasn't faced live batters in quite some time.

In addition. In a very simplistic, reductionist manner: In 2019 German posted a 2.1 WAR. In 2017 -18 Sevy posted a 5.4 and 4.1 WAR. Except for the one outlier (2018 5.8) Bauer is at or below 2 WAR. In fact there are several negative WAR seasons on his resume'.

Germans' issues are to be taken seriously, however they are personal issues and demons he will need to resolve. Bauers issues effect the clubhouse and team directly. His friction with Cole can't be underestimated. His BIG mouth and propensity to shoot from the lip is, imo, an unwelcome distraction. Too often the focus is on ME with Bauer rather than the team. Is he a great pitcher? Imo that is also debatable based on overall career performance. Is he the best pitcher available? Yes. Does that justify over paying ? No. Is the extra baggage worth the gamble? No.

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No matter which way you spin it , you are basing everything on just one season . Bauer has had to good seasons plus this past season . Again I won’t deny how good sevy can be but German hasn’t proven anything yet and still has a lot to prove before anyone can say how big of an impact he can or will be , especially this coming season

Also, I think Monty will be better a year another removed from surgery. I think he improves and is a reliable guy.