Imo, Sevy and German collectively > any available arm. I also think they resign Tanaka to a team friendly deal.
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Imo, Sevy and German collectively > any available arm. I also think they resign Tanaka to a team friendly deal.
Day I completely agree on Puig. The "Huh?" was my comment not Feinsand. I agree, imo, Gardy is a better glove even at his age.Quote:
Originally Posted by dayners81
I appreciate your Gil endorsement. I felt similarly, hearing f it from you confirms my initial reaction. :hi5:
Only reason I can think of for the yanks to show any interest in puig is because they might be working on trading Frazier .
I love him. But Frazier is worthless on the trade market unless you trade him for prospects to a team that is win now. He's ARB 1.Quote:
Originally Posted by Posada20
He's more valuable than your ******** fake as **** sauces.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jones
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Originally Posted by drt1010
If they sign that guy then just trade Clint Frazier. That would tell us that Cash doesn’t trust Frazier and will never so just move him Brian!
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Originally Posted by metswon69
I’ll check those out.
I agree with you about Sevy and German. My only concern is we may not see them at their best till 22. I do think they will have a big impact on the rotation in 21 thoughQuote:
Originally Posted by drt1010
It's really not a stretch to think with guys like Garcia (if his body can handle a starter workload) Schmidt, Medina, Gil, Vizcaino, Contreras and others that are coming quickly that German and Monty will probably have to pitch pretty well in 21 to guarantee a spot in 22
I talked to my scout buddy and he said that everyone is on fire about Gil, Medina and Contreras right now. They all apparently took huge steps forward last yr. Medina upped his spin rates across the board, grew 2 inches and put on about 20lbs. He said that Medina was regularly sitting 99+ touching 103 in the mid innings, he also ditched his circle change in favor of a straight change with a strong splitting action that he throws 90-92, the CB is the same plus-plus hammer its been since he was 16. He also said all the info he's seen and heard is that the release point/ control was very consistent all last yr at the ALT site. He said the feeling with the scouts he's talked to, they believe if Medina reaches his ceiling he could be one of the better pitchers in baseball. Scouts absolutely, love his athleticism, work ethic and his mound presence. He said the only thing that he's missing is getting live reps and he could easily be ready at some point in 21
He said the only reason that we aren't hearing as much about Gil is because Medina has been that impressive. Even though Gil doesn't have quite the velo Medina does, he still sits 97-99 and has touched 101, scouts like his FB about a half grade above Medina because of the great riding action he gets on his 4 seam and he throws the heaviest 2 seam in the system. The CU is a plus Circle change that he gets really good depth and fade with. He said the SL has huge potential in the high 80's , low 90's, while he's controlling it well he's still trying to improve the shape. He is another one that he described as a baseball rat, first one at the gym in the morning, always trying to do and learn anything to get better, incredibly coachable. Apparently he has a chip on his shoulder because he was a pretty low dollar IFA signee and he's out to prove everyone wrong. He's another one that needs some more live reps but could impact the team in 21
the one the he really was excited about was Contreras. He feel Contreras is one of the better kept secrets around . He doesn't have close to the power stuff that Medina and Gil do but he has remarkable command/control and a great feel for pitching at a pretty young age. He gave a Carrasco type pitcher as a comp and he said most scouts/evaluators feel he's one of the safer bets to reach his ceiling. He throws his FB's in the 92-95 range touching 98 with his 4 seam, with great life and excellent command. He has one of the better CB in the system, just behind Schmidt and a Circle CU that is consistently plus or better.
He said in his opinion, especially ceiling wise he feels that those are our top 3 pitching specs. He said that Garcia and Schmidt are excellent pitching specs but they just don't have the ceiling ot the top 3
I asked him if these were just going to be another group of really talented pitching specs that we weren't going to be able to develop like so many others. He said he believes the development culture around our pitching has changed a great deal and he feels that were going to see that reflected in this group of specs. With as excited as my buddy is about these guys am going to be extremely hopeful that some special arms are coming
I'm not in anyway trying to say these guys will fix our rotation issues right out of the gate but this scout has been doing this for a very long time and is extremely high on these 3 guys and a couple other arms in the system. I would say that while were along way from having a great rotation we have the talent thats not to far away that we could end up with a great rotation and atleast its something to be excited about going forward
:facepalm::crazy: thats truly a bafflingly statement. He has an incredible amount of value. He's a 26 yr old, GG caliber LFer that has a middle of the lineup bat and still has 4yrs? of control left. Just because a player become ARB eligible hardly means they are worthless when they are young and have shown huge potential. Outside of Torres and Dominguez, Frazier is probably our most valuable trade chip and could easily headline a deal for a marque playerQuote:
Originally Posted by Jones
KJ your sources got that one really wrong.... you may need to upgrade from the cleaning lady or was it a waitress ??
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Originally Posted by drt1010
Doc and Day, I love you guys but I fully disagree about Puig. I think you guys are totally off base on this one.
He is exactly what this team needs. He's an injury prone, righty power bat with a massive K rate who plays suspect D and has character issues. He's perfect.
This team needs a guy like that. We don't have anyone else who fits that bill
I've seen some weird comments but Frazier has no value? Wow.Quote:
Originally Posted by dayners81
Dayners, thanks for the update from Scout buddy on the pitching. It's encouraging. I'm not as high on Frazier as you are and I have no problem trading him in the right deal for pitching or a Lindor type deal.
Seriously? I think it's best you sleep it off.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jones
I'm a 100% with you i'd gladly include Frazier for Lindor or the right player/pitcher. I would have actually made that offer for Lindor by now as long as Hal would green light re signing him. In this winter's market i don't think it would be that difficult or expensive to find a solid defensive OFer that would put up offensive numbers you could live with. If it meant getting Lindor or a legit TORP by trading Frazier I'd make that deal all day. U could go get a Brock Holt, Joc Pederson, Eddie Rosario Or Almora type on a 1yr deal and pair that with Andujar out there a couple times a week. Another thought is if they really wanted to go young and cheap they could go with a Florial/ Andujar platoon. It could be a better team and use of assets but its just a thoughtQuote:
Originally Posted by johnnyi
Canaan Smith is an incredibly talented corner OF hitting spec, who could surprise people next yr and the list of tool shed, uber talented OF specs we have in A Ball and lower is 7-10 specs deep. Point being we have some very special OF talent that isn't to far away. IMO, while i certainly wouldn't give Frazier away, if i got the right talent back i would also move him
Sleep won't help thatQuote:
Originally Posted by drt1010
Agree Day. In the right deal Frazier is expendable. BUT....I don't believe he's worthless and should be traded for the sake of moving him, particularly for specs. As I mentioned previously, imo Frazier could be the headliner in many deals, e.g. Castillo, Lindor ect.
:D :hi5:Quote:
Originally Posted by dayners81
Moooaaarrr. Sauces! That will helpQuote:
Originally Posted by dayners81
If they move Frazier it should only be for a TORP or a guy like Lindor.Quote:
Originally Posted by drt1010
Just one question if you don’t feel German and sevy will be at their best this season then how could they have a big impact on the rotation this season ? Especially with sevy having restrictions on his starts ? Now I can believe they both could have big impacts next season though , especially sevy. I just am not convinced it happens this season. In fact I think there is a better chance of Medina having a big impact on the rotation this season than sevy and German do .Quote:
Originally Posted by dayners81
He is far from worthless , he took Gardner’s starting position from him last season. He has a lot of potential and right now would be the best time to trade him if they wanted to .Quote:
Originally Posted by Jones
Agreed. He's the starting LFer, we haven't come close to seeing his real value yet. Give him a full year of AB's.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kinkotheclown
Time to create a new Dupe after that one??? i wonder who his sauces will be next timeQuote:
Originally Posted by Kinkotheclown
I would only trade him for a torp . If they really need another infielder if dj leaves them just sign didiQuote:
Originally Posted by drt1010
IMO if we get 80 plus above average innings from both of them that would be a big impact on the rotation. Looking at what they currently have its not hard to imagine Sevy and German being quite a bit better than the current options . I don't find it difficult to imagine that Medina has a bigger impact next yr than German. If he has a bigger impact than Sevy he'll be impressive to watch, so i hope he does have the biggest impactQuote:
Originally Posted by Posada20
Funny you mention sauces. I ran into my favorite sauce, Philly Marinara. He seems to think the Yankees are very close on both Machado and Harper. He insists the deal will get done, but the Yanks move slowly. They are being very cautious in the eval. before committing that kinda dough.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kinkotheclown
I shouldn't mention this, but I don't think he'd mind. Hal has a close personal relationship with the Long Island medium. In fact she is on the payroll as an executive assistant in charge of forecasting. Philly tells me Hal channels George regularly for his opinion and approval. Lately he's been cranky and pissed off frequently. The medium often censors his language. Supposedly George, with Hank nearby, laments not keeping Hank in charge. According to my sauce, he believes "Hank had balls and understood winning is everything". Unlike "my Brooks bros., penny pinching, bean counter" other son! He has "accountants and Ivy League pencil necks" running the operation! According to George you never gonna win with that approach. You need Billy and Lou battling it out in the trenches. He closed by reminding Hal: " Winning is the most important thing in my life, after breathing,".... "Breathing first, winning next."
"A ship that sails on a calm sea gets nowhere" He implored his son to "mix things up", fire someone. The manager ain't the players friend....he's the manager! He's there to kick ***!
Didi does make a lot sense. He's available for only money. He can play in NYC. Sign him short term with options. He's a fan favrite and great guy in the clubhouse. He ain't Lindor....but who is? He also won't cost anywhere near what Lindor will ask or what DJ is rumored to be asking.Quote:
Originally Posted by Posada20
That is exactly why I rather resign didi if dj walks . Then they could trade for starting pitching help .Quote:
Originally Posted by drt1010
i would sign didi for one year only 10 million if he wants 15 mil no if he wants 2 years no...Quote:
Originally Posted by drt1010
I would offer him a similar contract to the one Gardner got a year agoQuote:
Originally Posted by johnny ny
Assuming we don't sign La Machine and can't trade for Lindor and we had $20 - $25 million to spread around, I would give Didi one year for $10 million with an option year for another $10 million with a buy-out of $3 million. I'd offer the same deal to Tanaka. I'd also offer Gardy $3 million as a limited role player. They don't have to take it, but that's what I'd offer. I'd also consider giving Paxton $8 million, especially if Tank doesn't sign. Plan A becomes plan B then Plan C, etc.Quote:
Originally Posted by johnny ny
I am not convinced that Tanaka would take an over 50% discount to stay with the Yankees .I am thinking it takes 13 to 15 mill to resign him and I am not sure he is worth that . As for Gardner , I am thinking it takes atleast 4 to 5 mill to resign him .Quote:
Originally Posted by johnnyi
I think that would be a pretty strong plan with what left on the market.Quote:
Originally Posted by johnnyi
Didi makes tons of sense for 1yr, adds a solid LH bat to the lineup and would allow us to be back in on the 22 SS market like they are seemingly planning anyways. I think Tank would be a solid addition/ return to the rotation at that price. I would like them to kick the tires on Kluber though. From the most recent reports his velo, spin rates and control are about back to his 18 level performance. He's scheduled to throw for teams in mid Jan, if he looks as good as being reported i think he probably could provided the highest upside of anyone left outside of Bauer.
I agree with u on making an offer to Paxton but i'd want to see him throw a couple more times to make sure the velo is back to 95+ like it was a couple weeks ago when he threw for teams. He is absolutely so dependent, as evident from last yr, on that plus-plus FB velo if he doesn;t have it there is no point in looking into him. There is just something about a LHed pitcher with his kind of talent and stuff thats very tantalizing. I would be much more interested in offering him a lower base, like 5m, and heavily incentivize the deal for IN pitched, K's, performance ect
I've loved Gardy, but with what else could be had for similar money this winter i think its time to move on from Gardy. U could get a younger, defensive first, speedster type like Almora that could really benefit from the change of scenery and likely get the same or better results. Its not so much the bat we need its plus defense at CF and LF we really need from our 4th/5th Ofer. I value the veteran leadership he's provided in the past but IMO we could use a different voice and probably could find a better, younger player. Thats just my opinion. I absolutely can see them doing exactly what your saying with Gardy and it working out fine also
I would pass on Paxton , after his elbow issues last season , I am thinking he might be a prime candidate for TJ surgery in the not too distant future . I would either trade for Castillo or sign kluber . As for Tanaka I would let him go back to Japan , they couldn’t win a ws in the 7 previous seasons with him, why would I believe they would suddenly win one now ?
That’s the most ridiculous comment about Tank. That same logic...we haven’t won a playoff game with Trout so let’s cut him. Yes, they haven’t won the WS with Tank as their ace, but now if he’s your game 3 starter? Different scenario.Quote:
Originally Posted by Posada20
He was their game 3 starter last season against the rays . How did that turn out?Quote:
Originally Posted by RJYANKS12
Oh and why was he even pushed back to game 3 in that series when he was the game 2 starter in the previous series ? His last two seasons he was not that good at all and you wonder why I don’t want him back ? It’s more like you are being the ridiculous one if you think he is truly worth bringing back .
He was the game 3 starter in the Tampa series because the incredibly bright people in the analytics dept and front office were trying to trick Tampa by opening with opening with Garcia and then going to Happ early.Quote:
Originally Posted by Posada20
I'll agree Tanaka wasn't great in 19 but that was largely due to 2 really, really bad starts. Last yr he bounced back with a 3.54 ERA over 10 starts which is better than his career ERA of 3.74. You're making him out like he's barely worth of being a 4th/5th starter but in reality he would be a above average 2/3 type on most teams. We don't have anything approaching that kind of track record till Sevy gets back. Tanaka might not be a flashy ace but he's a damn solid starter and there is alot of value in having a pitcher like that, no matter how you define a players value
At 10-12m Tanaka would be a solid return to the rotation and better than anything we have outside of Cole to begin the season. Unless Hal and Cash are just crying poor and are going to hit the screw it button and go all in regardless, their isn't going to be a big, sexy TOR starter signed. They atleast for now have a very tight budget and are going to be looking for value in the market.
You can't honestly say that you wouldn't take Tanaka and Paxton back on 1yr lower salary type deals rather than just go with what they have now. Castillio would be amazing but Cincy wants to be absolutely blown away and i just don't see the Yanks doing that and they certainly aren't going to pay Bauer anywhere close to what he's asking for. The options aren't great and Tanaka may end up being the best we could end up with. Not what i want or do i think its the best move but listening to the way everyone is talking about the Yanks plans guys like those mentioned might be the most realistic
Eric Cressey, who runs Cressey Sports Performance, was named the Yankees’ director of health and performance last offseason and is training Kluber through rehab this offseason. Yankees pitching coach Matt Blake worked at Cressey Sports before joining the Indians as director of pitching performance in 2016 and, thus, was with Kluber for his final four Cleveland seasons. -Sherman
With so many connections, I have to think if Kluber is truly healthy the yanks will make a play for him.
tanaka lost his magic in the post season..Quote:
Originally Posted by dayners81
No team has won the World Series with Cole, so we shouldn’t have signed him either.Quote:
Originally Posted by Posada20