Yankee off season thread, news, notes, rumors and ideas

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Posada20

Who the hell cares if the post season stats don’t count for the season. I only pointed out that Hughes was not exceptional in the playoffs in 09 , the last time they won it all . How is that not a correct statement ?!

---

WHO SAID IT WAS A WRONG STATEMENT? Wasn't me. LOL!!!! What's that have to do with the difference between the SEASON and the POST season. I can loan you a dictionary if you need to look up the word post. It's called the POST season because it's AFTER the REGULAR season. The regular season is OVER.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Posada20

Only pointless to you since it was my opinion . And you are the only one who is arguing with me over it . If you want to disagree with it that’s fine but I stand by what I said.

---

You're arguing with me, not vice versa. And it was pointless regardless of who said it. Stop taking everything as personal against you. You look foolish.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by johnny ny

if the yanks do not do anything big off season no sense in even watching the team next year..the script will be set another playoff defeat....without getting to the world series...

---

So don't watch. You won't be missed. That would be right up your alley. I'll be watching every game. That's what a FAN does. You only want to root when they win. Can you say PATHETIC?

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Stevemil505

Let's seeif I've got that right, if we don't have a sure trip to the WS next year, there's no sense watching any games next year, right? Don't let this secret out or about 25 or 27 other stadiums will be as empty as all of them were this year. When all of those 27 teams fold, who will be left for the Yanks to play?

---

for a team like the yanks with this much talent to go 11 years without even being in the world series is insulting.. and i do not see the yanks going to the series any time soon unless major changes are made.. and since i doubt that would happen the yanks would have missed a chance and will only go backward...the dodgers have been to the series 2 times in the last 4 years....it shows you what a good gm and great ownership can mean to a team...

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by YANKSGUY

So don't watch. You won't be missed. That would be right up your alley. I'll be watching every game. That's what a FAN does. You only want to root when they win. Can you say PATHETIC?

---

the do not complain when the yanks get eliminated next year in the al playoffs then...

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by johnny ny

for a team like the yanks with this much talent to go 11 years without even being in the world series is insulting.. and i do not see the yanks going to the series any time soon unless major changes are made.. and since i doubt that would happen the yanks would have missed a chance and will only go backward...the dodgers have been to the series 2 times in the last 4 years....it shows you what a good gm and great ownership can mean to a team...

---

p.s actually the dodgers have been to the world series 3 times in the last 4 years.. are you paying attention cashman?

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by johnny ny

p.s actually the dodgers have been to the world series 3 times in the last 4 years.. are you paying attention cashman?

---

Cashman doesn’t care , he said years ago that the playoffs were a roll of the dice and that anyone who makes it to the playoffs can win the World Series . Of course that has been proven false over and over but whatever .

Clint Frazier a gold glove finalist.

What a turn of events for the young outfielder.

Sent from my SM-G981U using Tapatalk

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by johnny ny

p.s actually the dodgers have been to the world series 3 times in the last 4 years.. are you paying attention cashman?

---

When was the last time the LA Dodgers actually won a WS? Seems relavent since most posters here usually are complaining about how long it has been since Yankees have won a WS; anything else is a failure so Dodgers have "failed" each of those 3 years too, right? Right?

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Stevemil505

When was the last time the LA Dodgers actually won a WS? Seems relavent since most posters here usually are complaining about how long it has been since Yankees have won a WS; anything else is a failure so Dodgers have "failed" each of those 3 years too, right? Right?

---

Some just lack logical thinking.

Sent from my SM-G981U using Tapatalk

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Stevemil505

When was the last time the LA Dodgers actually won a WS? Seems relavent since most posters here usually are complaining about how long it has been since Yankees have won a WS; anything else is a failure so Dodgers have "failed" each of those 3 years too, right? Right?

---

Yes that is failure but getting to those three ws is a lot more than what the yanks have achieved in the last 11 seasons now

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Jones

I'm not too enthusiastic about 2021 or 2022 for that matter. The Yankees are starting to operate like a dinosaur. We are never ahead of the curve. We are a large market team that has fallen in love with small market strategy. The only problem is that we don't follow through with that small market strategy and sell players when they have excess value (Voit) or when they approach FA (Judge) to collect more assets.

We are 4 years into our window, which is closing fast, and now we have a true ace. For a big market team, that means go all in. Spend money and sell minor league assets to acquire missing pieces and hold players accountable. This means (a) extend DJ, (b) sign Bauer, (c) trade for Lindor, (d) sign tanaka and (e) use Sevy/German to bolster the bullpen. Obviously, Sanchez, Voit and Andujar would be used as trade chips and Gardy would be watching games on TV.

If we aren't willing to do that, then our window is closed and we should just sell to acquire young assets and prepare for future FA signings. Sell Chapman, Judge, Voit, Ottavino, Hicks, Sanchez. Sign the SS from DR. Shame Stanton to accept a trade and eat as much cash as necessary. Get control of payroll and let the kids play. Reset below cap. Let covid run its course. I'd probably still sign DJ and Brantley to provide some leadership. We could get a kings ransom and still have a team which competes for a wild card in 2021. Frazier, Brantley and Florial in the OF. Gio, Torres, Wade/Estrada, DJ, Higgy in IF. Andujar at DH. Cole, Deivi/Sevy, German, Monty, Schmidt/King in rotation. Bullpen still would have Britton and Green. I bet that team would be more enjoy able to watch and the results probably wouldn't be as different as you think.

And then after the season fill the holes and start a new window. Sign Lindor. Sign Thor. Bolster the bullpen a bit.

---

How does signing lindor satisfy an urgent need?

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Webslinger

How does signing lindor satisfy an urgent need?

---

1. Improves poor defense at SS, a key defensive position.
2. Adds a lefty bat to balance out the line-up.
3. Gives us a young stud about to enter his prime.
4. Provides us with a legitimate leadoff hitter and allows us to drop DJ to the 3 hole to drive in more runs through contact.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by OhSoSlick

Clint Frazier a gold glove finalist.

What a turn of events for the young outfielder.

Sent from my SM-G981U using Tapatalk

---

Good for him, all that tough work has payed off for him. Talk about boosting his value in 60games. Last winter we were getting no traction on trading him for anything useful, this winter were going to get asked for him in every potential big trade. Thats not me advocating to trade him unless we get a top starter, i'm just commenting on the incredible job Frazier did changing his career path

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by dayners81

Good for him, all that tough work has payed off for him. Talk about boosting his value in 60games. Last winter we were getting no traction on trading him for anything useful, this winter were going to get asked for him in every potential big trade. Thats not me advocating to trade him unless we get a top starter, i'm just commenting on the incredible job Frazier did changing his career path

---

I am honestly not surprised that Frazier is up for a gold glove , from the first time they brought him up after trading for him I really liked what I saw from him.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by dayners81

Good for him, all that tough work has payed off for him. Talk about boosting his value in 60games. Last winter we were getting no traction on trading him for anything useful, this winter were going to get asked for him in every potential big trade. Thats not me advocating to trade him unless we get a top starter, i'm just commenting on the incredible job Frazier did changing his career path

---

Nobody is off limits, but i would find it very challenging to move Frazier, even if a solid pitcher is available.

Gardy's done. Stanton, Hicks, and Judge are injury guaranteed. Tauchman looked like a flash in the past good enough to give someone a rest, but not someone you want in an every day line-up. Florial doesn't look completely ready and not playing this year didn't help. Wade is nothing more than a AAAA player.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Stevemil505

When was the last time the LA Dodgers actually won a WS? Seems relavent since most posters here usually are complaining about how long it has been since Yankees have won a WS; anything else is a failure so Dodgers have "failed" each of those 3 years too, right? Right?

---

Excellent post.

The only problem is if the Dodgers win this year, you will hear a chorus of "I told you so's"

The other thing about all this is, while I know it's 20 years but the Yankees 5 WS in a row and 6 out of 7 years from 96-2003
Before 96? 1981. Imagine if PSD was around then? These whining *****es would have torn themselves to shreds. It's a bunch of spoiled, ignorant pricks.

I don't like Cashman and it's time for him to go but the whining from some posters is absurd.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Jones

1. Improves poor defense at SS, a key defensive position.
2. Adds a lefty bat to balance out the line-up.
3. Gives us a young stud about to enter his prime.
4. Provides us with a legitimate leadoff hitter and allows us to drop DJ to the 3 hole to drive in more runs through contact.

---

I agree with everything and would add, he can steal bases and he doesn't K a ton.
He would be my first choice for a position player. Will Hal fork up the loot? Who knows. If he does, will he fork up the loot for Lindor and a TORP? You are looking at a lively 50 mil per year bump if he does.

That's why Stanton is such an friggin anchor. If you could get his 20+ off the books? Much greater freedom.


I would also disagree in moving DJ to the 3 spot. I would keep him 1 and bat Lindor 2. That is only because of the lefty/righty imbalance of the team.
DJ
Lindor
torres
Judge
Hicks
Stanton

It wouldn't matter TBH, because it's all righties after that anyway.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Jones

Nobody is off limits, but i would find it very challenging to move Frazier, even if a solid pitcher is available.

Gardy's done. Stanton, Hicks, and Judge are injury guaranteed. Tauchman looked like a flash in the past good enough to give someone a rest, but not someone you want in an every day line-up. Florial doesn't look completely ready and not playing this year didn't help. Wade is nothing more than a AAAA player.

---

I agree. I also think he's going to get better and better..
Talkman is a great defensive replacement and spot starter. Florial has been a bummer. he still has time but it's running out for sure.

The Yankees are in for some tough times because of the Stanton contract. I wonder if they move Torres or Judge? Because right now, they may not want to pay them both the money they will command.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by johnny ny

the do not complain when the yanks get eliminated next year in the al playoffs then...

---

LOL!!! What are you talking about? You're the one complaining about it, not me.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by johnny ny

p.s actually the dodgers have been to the world series 3 times in the last 4 years.. are you paying attention cashman?

---

And they have won how many of them? I mean that's the criteria you use for the Yankees, why not the Dodgers?

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Jones

1. Improves poor defense at SS, a key defensive position.
2. Adds a lefty bat to balance out the line-up.
3. Gives us a young stud about to enter his prime.
4. Provides us with a legitimate leadoff hitter and allows us to drop DJ to the 3 hole to drive in more runs through contact.

---

1. Torres's defense at short will improve over time, but I won't argue that there will be improved defense at short with lindor. I assume you want to move torres to second, decreasing defense at that position, and increasing defense at first with DJ, and losing 40 home runs at 1st base by losing voit.
2. One or two lefty bats in a all righty lineup will make no difference.
3. Whether lindor is young or not, does not impact a team looking to win right now.
4. Hicks has a much higher OBP then Lindor

Lindor will take significant resources to sign. Is 30 million dollars a year a good use of resources in order to improve defense at short? I would say, this is very poor judgement if it happens.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Webslinger

1. Torres's defense at short will improve over time, but I won't argue that there will be improved defense at short with lindor. I assume you want to move torres to second, decreasing defense at that position, and increasing defense at first with DJ, and losing 40 home runs at 1st base by losing voit.
2. One or two lefty bats in a all righty lineup will make no difference.
3. Whether lindor is young or not, does not impact a team looking to win right now.
4. Hicks has a much higher OBP then Lindor

Lindor will take significant resources to sign. Is 30 million dollars a year a good use of resources in order to improve defense at short? I would say, this is very poor judgement if it happens.

---

Lindor hit 30+ hr in each of the 3 seasons before this one. So you wouldn't lose 40 a year without Voit.

Extra lefty bats do help this much of a right handed lineup.

Lindor helps the team win right now and he's young.

Lindor career OBP is 346. Hicks is 332. hicks had a 379 this year and Lindor a 335 but that's a one season comparison.
Also Lindor's career average is 285 to hicks's 235

As a yankees for 5 years hicks is 240 avg, 346 OBP and 60 hr

Lindor in his last in 6 years, 3510 PA- 285 avg. 346. OBP. 138 HR
Hicks is hurt way more and not as consistent offensively
Lindor has also stolen almost 99 bases and hicks has stolen 55.

I don't understand why you made the Hicks comparison. I don't know why both can't be in the lineup. But Lindor is without question a better leadoff hitter.

The money aspect? If it improves the infield and productivity of the lineup, I don't see it as poor judgement.
Is the money better spent for a TORP? Possibly but a contact hitter who is lefty, plays gold glove caliber SS and can run seems like a significant upgrade and worth the money if it doesn't prevent them from getting a pitcher as well

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Kinkotheclown

Lindor hit 30+ hr in each of the 3 seasons before this one. So you wouldn't lose 40 a year without Voit.

Extra lefty bats do help this much of a right handed lineup.

Lindor helps the team win right now and he's young.

Lindor career OBP is 346. Hicks is 332. hicks had a 379 this year and Lindor a 335 but that's a one season comparison.
Also Lindor's career average is 285 to hicks's 235

As a yankees for 5 years hicks is 240 avg, 346 OBP and 60 hr

Lindor in his last in 6 years, 3510 PA- 285 avg. 346. OBP. 138 HR
Hicks is hurt way more and not as consistent offensively
Lindor has also stolen almost 99 bases and hicks has stolen 55.

I don't understand why you made the Hicks comparison. I don't know why both can't be in the lineup. But Lindor is without question a better leadoff hitter.

The money aspect? If it improves the infield and productivity of the lineup, I don't see it as poor judgement.
Is the money better spent for a TORP? Possibly but a contact hitter who is lefty, plays gold glove caliber SS and can run seems like a significant upgrade and worth the money if it doesn't prevent them from getting a pitcher as well

---

As far as offense goes all you're doing is adding by subtracting. Lindor doesn't slug as much as Voit, nor does he hit in the clutch, like Voit, or get on base as much as Voit.. Luke Voit is one of the top hitters in the AL since 2018, despite playing through an injury last year, which diminished his stats. Lindor makes more contact and strikes out less, that's it.

I consider Hicks to be the leadoff hitter on this team, despite the fact that Aaron Boone keeps on plugging him in the middle of the order. Hicks's OBP since he's turned it around is .362 from 2017 till now. During that same period, Lindors has been .341. I'm not counting the first 5 years where Hicks forgot how to hit. That's like compiling the stats Urshela had with the indians to say, look, this is the kind of player Gio is, currently.

If there's a choice between getting Scherzer or Verlander, over lindor, I'll take those 2 any day and every day, over some extra defense at short. The one thing they've been missing these last few years has been pitching, during the season and after it. It is not defense at short, or any other position, which has kept them from going further into the post season.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Webslinger

1. Torres's defense at short will improve over time, but I won't argue that there will be improved defense at short with lindor. I assume you want to move torres to second, decreasing defense at that position, and increasing defense at first with DJ, and losing 40 home runs at 1st base by losing voit.
2. One or two lefty bats in a all righty lineup will make no difference.
3. Whether lindor is young or not, does not impact a team looking to win right now.
4. Hicks has a much higher OBP then Lindor

Lindor will take significant resources to sign. Is 30 million dollars a year a good use of resources in order to improve defense at short? I would say, this is very poor judgement if it happens.

---

Torres’ defense at SS will not improve. No range. No arm. Not quick enough.

Bauer is reportedly telling teams he wants a Strasburg type, long term deal, so we can pretty much rule him out coming here

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Jones

Torres’ defense at SS will not improve. No range. No arm. Not quick enough.

---

torres has a very good arm it's his concentration on routine ground balls that is a problem..

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by dayners81

Bauer is reportedly telling teams he wants a Strasburg type, long term deal, so we can pretty much rule him out coming here

---

Odd year do decide he no longer wants 1 year deals and now wants a long term deal.

Sent from my SM-G981U using Tapatalk

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by YANKSGUY

And they have won how many of them? I mean that's the criteria you use for the Yankees, why not the Dodgers?

---

i will be shocked if the dodgers do not win this world series...

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Webslinger

As far as offense goes all you're doing is adding by subtracting. Lindor doesn't slug as much as Voit, nor does he hit in the clutch, like Voit, or get on base as much as Voit.. Luke Voit is one of the top hitters in the AL since 2018, despite playing through an injury last year, which diminished his stats. Lindor makes more contact and strikes out less, that's it.

I consider Hicks to be the leadoff hitter on this team, despite the fact that Aaron Boone keeps on plugging him in the middle of the order. Hicks's OBP since he's turned it around is .362 from 2017 till now. During that same period, Lindors has been .341. I'm not counting the first 5 years where Hicks forgot how to hit. That's like compiling the stats Urshela had with the indians to say, look, this is the kind of player Gio is, currently.

If there's a choice between getting Scherzer or Verlander, over lindor, I'll take those 2 any day and every day, over some extra defense at short. The one thing they've been missing these last few years has been pitching, during the season and after it. It is not defense at short, or any other position, which has kept them from going further into the post season.

---

Scherzer for s short deal? I agree. Verlander just had TJ surgery and is out till 2022 at high point he will be 39. So hard pass on him over Lindor.

Sadly, if Stanton could be moved, we'd have the best of all worlds.

DJ
Lindor
Voit
Judge
Hicks
Torres


Cashman was incredibly short sighted in his signing of Stanton. Get rid of his contract and you could have Bauer and Lindor.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by OhSoSlick

Odd year do decide he no longer wants 1 year deals and now wants a long term deal.

Sent from my SM-G981U using Tapatalk

---

figures coming of a likely CY Young, time to cash in? i agree a very odd yr to try and top the 2nd biggest pitching contract ever

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by dayners81

figures coming of a likely CY Young, time to cash in? i agree a very odd yr to try and top the 2nd biggest pitching contract ever

---

It would be a surprise if he got that type of deal.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by dayners81

figures coming of a likely CY Young, time to cash in? i agree a very odd yr to try and top the 2nd biggest pitching contract ever

---

I just don't know if a team is going to want to commit that many years and dollars to a player who hasn't been very consistent in his career.

Also, during a pandemic where they don't know if fans will be allowed at stadiums or not.

Sent from my SM-G981U using Tapatalk

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Kinkotheclown

It would be a surprise if he got that type of deal.

---

I think its more likely he gets a 1-2yr deal with an AAV higher than Coles vs getting a bigger long term deal than Strasberg got last yr. IMO his one chance is if Cohen decides he's going to flex his wallet and make a big splash on FA this winter

One of the biggest things i see different between us and the Dodgers/Rays is their versatility. The have multiple guys that play multiple positions well and they can hit most anywhere in the order. Other than DJ we don't have that

IMO they have adopted a new more effective way to develop a lineup and were still stuck doing it a less effective way. Power in your lineup is a very effective way to win in the regular season but high contact and versatility are seeming to be just as important in your lineup in the post season

I'm completely overlooking the pitching part but that a different part of the conversation

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by dayners81

One of the biggest things i see different between us and the Dodgers/Rays is their versatility. The have multiple guys that play multiple positions well and they can hit most anywhere in the order. Other than DJ we don't have that

IMO they have adopted a new more effective way to develop a lineup and were still stuck doing it a less effective way. Power in your lineup is a very effective way to win in the regular season but high contact and versatility are seeming to be just as important in your lineup in the post season

I'm completely overlooking the pitching part but that a different part of the conversation

---

dodgers are well on the way to 2-1 series lead.. 3 runs already off morton who the yanks could not touch with a 10 foot broom!

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by johnny ny

dodgers are well on the way to 2-1 series lead.. 3 runs already off morton who the yanks could not touch with a 10 foot broom!

---

Well there is a reason why the rays are playing the dodgers right now and it’s not Houston or the Yankees

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by johnny ny

dodgers are well on the way to 2-1 series lead.. 3 runs already off morton who the yanks could not touch with a 10 foot broom!

---

Since you're clearly so in love with the dodgers

May I suggest

https://r.tapatalk.com/shareLink/top...ink_source=app

World Series: Tampa Bay Rays v Los Angeles Dodgers - Series tied 1-1

Sent from my SM-G981U using Tapatalk

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by dayners81

One of the biggest things i see different between us and the Dodgers/Rays is their versatility. The have multiple guys that play multiple positions well and they can hit most anywhere in the order. Other than DJ we don't have that

IMO they have adopted a new more effective way to develop a lineup and were still stuck doing it a less effective way. Power in your lineup is a very effective way to win in the regular season but high contact and versatility are seeming to be just as important in your lineup in the post season

I'm completely overlooking the pitching part but that a different part of the conversation

---

I said it months ago and I will say it now , the dodgers are the most complete team out there . They have both the pitching and the offense of a championship team .

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by dayners81

One of the biggest things i see different between us and the Dodgers/Rays is their versatility. The have multiple guys that play multiple positions well and they can hit most anywhere in the order. Other than DJ we don't have that

IMO they have adopted a new more effective way to develop a lineup and were still stuck doing it a less effective way. Power in your lineup is a very effective way to win in the regular season but high contact and versatility are seeming to be just as important in your lineup in the post season

I'm completely overlooking the pitching part but that a different part of the conversation

---

Their players also have seemed to buy into that system. Yanks don't have many players that appear to have the ability, or desire to do it.

Sent from my SM-G981U using Tapatalk