Yankee off season thread, news, notes, rumors and ideas

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Originally Posted by YANKSGUY

What you doubt doesn't mean squat.

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Well that is what I said in that post , that I doubted the bullpen could pitch 3 scoreless innings in a tie game . Not that they would never do it .

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Originally Posted by Kinkotheclown

Devi, Schmidt, Florial and Frazier or Andujar for Bieber?

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Lol from your finger tips to Gods ears. I just have a gut feeling that Cash will go out and get another Pineda, Paxton type. Cheap, high upside, big arm, high spin rates and is missing that final thing that could make him an ace, same story we've heard before. I'd so much rather see him go for a Gray type complete pitcher. Upside might not be as high but is a very good, complete pitcher that doesn't need to be "fixed". I still think the OAK or Reds version of Gray would be a perfect #2

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Originally Posted by sauronthepower

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But therein lies the problem.

Blake and Thames will take the brunt of the heat that Brian Cashman and Aarone Boone have earned and so richly deserve and nothing of consequence will change nor will any tangible advancement occur.

At the very least, one of the two should have been fired and the franchise changed direction, ESPECIALLY if Hal doesn’t want to commit to procuring the necessary parts to complete the team on the open market.

No...............instead we will lose yet another of Cole’s prime production years and another of the core’s cost controlled window years hopelessly, comically, and stupidly trying to justify Brian’s ‘baseball acumen’ with another year of hoping and praying on Severino, Deivi, Monty, Holder, Cessa, Tarpley, Loisaga and the geek squad.

Wash. Rinse. Repeat.

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I'd be fine if Thames left, we need a new hitting coach that teaches contact hitting instead of swing for the fences. Gio is really the only guy i can think of that has seen massive uptick in his ability

I'm very torn on Blake. I don't think its fair to judge him based on how screwed up last yr. That said if he is as non-respected by the MLB pitchers as that scout claim they need to add a veteran pitching coach to handle the MLB pitchers.

Blakes development record is beyond excellent and with all the elite arms we have coming up through the system he's definitely the guy i want to see working with the kids. He was effective in Cleveland because so many pitcher bought into his philosophies on there way up so they trusted him and his methods, I don't think he's gotten that chance here yet. I don't want to see him gone by any means but i'd like to see his position change back to the development side. If he has the same kind of developmental success that he had in Cleveland, once some of the kids that have bought into his methods make the pitching staff then consider him for the pitching coach job if we need one then

I know he's an anals guy but there have been whispers that he doesn't like how much he's been forced to use them in his pitching programs. I really think this team relies on anals way, way to much. The game isn't played using stats or computers, you have to have a combo of both to be successful IMO

BTW Naehring was the inside GM option that Hal like's so much i mentioned to u the other day. I think to keep him they are going to have to make him the GM or at minimum assistant GM. Cashman is the Senior VP so technically they have an opening at GM. I just don't see Hal firing Cashman because of his close relationship with the family. IMO our best chance at getting a different voice making or helping make the decisions is to get an actual GM. Guys like Theo and Friedman have separate GM's so there is no reason we shouldn't have one as well.

Hals not a dumb guy from what i can tell and he can't be completely blind to Cashmans failure to get the right players we need to win. I think he's going to have to make this a make or break yr for both Cash and Boone. Our championship window has been wide open since 17 and we haven't even made a WS. We've wasted enough prime cheap yrs of this core and going forward Coles prime yrs. Failure to make the correct moves this winter to upgrade this team IMO its going to be another wasted yr.

At minimum we need a TORP, 1-2 middle relievers and a contact type LHed or S hitter. Brantley is the perfect guy in my mind. All the guy does is hit/ make contact and he has legit pull power that he could take advantage of short porch in RF. He also loves teaching hitting, maybe he could help the young kids adopt a more contact orientated approach and possibly get him to be the hitting coach down the road. I think you'd be hard pressed to find a better hitting teacher in baseball if he wanted to be.

Yanks are internally discussing bring back Didi according to the athletic and rumors coming out of the Yanks camp. The plan would be to put Torres back at 2nd, put DJ at 1st, if they can resign him and use Voit as a piece to acquire a TORP.

IMO Didi on a 1yr deal is an excellent option. It puts Torres back at his better defensive position, DJ take over 1st base full time which should slow his decline as he's getting older and would immensely improve our infield defense. Didi would also give us a solid LHed bat that we know can handle playing in NY. He also shouldn't be that expensive either, i would guess in this market he'll be lucky to get 1yr 8m

If they only signed Didi to a 1yr deal it would give them a chance to go after one of the premier SS available after next season, Lindor, Seager and Correa when they are FA.

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Originally Posted by dayners81

Lol from your finger tips to Gods ears. I just have a gut feeling that Cash will go out and get another Pineda, Paxton type. Cheap, high upside, big arm, high spin rates and is missing that final thing that could make him an ace, same story we've heard before. I'd so much rather see him go for a Gray type complete pitcher. Upside might not be as high but is a very good, complete pitcher that doesn't need to be "fixed". I still think the OAK or Reds version of Gray would be a perfect #2

I'd be fine if Thames left, we need a new hitting coach that teaches contact hitting instead of swing for the fences. Gio is really the only guy i can think of that has seen massive uptick in his ability

I'm very torn on Blake. I don't think its fair to judge him based on how screwed up last yr. That said if he is as non-respected by the MLB pitchers as that scout claim they need to add a veteran pitching coach to handle the MLB pitchers.

Blakes development record is beyond excellent and with all the elite arms we have coming up through the system he's definitely the guy i want to see working with the kids. He was effective in Cleveland because so many pitcher bought into his philosophies on there way up so they trusted him and his methods, I don't think he's gotten that chance here yet. I don't want to see him gone by any means but i'd like to see his position change back to the development side. If he has the same kind of developmental success that he had in Cleveland, once some of the kids that have bought into his methods make the pitching staff then consider him for the pitching coach job if we need one then

I know he's an anals guy but there have been whispers that he doesn't like how much he's been forced to use them in his pitching programs. I really think this team relies on anals way, way to much. The game isn't played using stats or computers, you have to have a combo of both to be successful IMO

BTW Naehring was the inside GM option that Hal like's so much i mentioned to u the other day. I think to keep him they are going to have to make him the GM or at minimum assistant GM. Cashman is the Senior VP so technically they have an opening at GM. I just don't see Hal firing Cashman because of his close relationship with the family. IMO our best chance at getting a different voice making or helping make the decisions is to get an actual GM. Guys like Theo and Friedman have separate GM's so there is no reason we shouldn't have one as well.

Hals not a dumb guy from what i can tell and he can't be completely blind to Cashmans failure to get the right players we need to win. I think he's going to have to make this a make or break yr for both Cash and Boone. Our championship window has been wide open since 17 and we haven't even made a WS. We've wasted enough prime cheap yrs of this core and going forward Coles prime yrs. Failure to make the correct moves this winter to upgrade this team IMO its going to be another wasted yr.

At minimum we need a TORP, 1-2 middle relievers and a contact type LHed or S hitter. Brantley is the perfect guy in my mind. All the guy does is hit/ make contact and he has legit pull power that he could take advantage of short porch in RF. He also loves teaching hitting, maybe he could help the young kids adopt a more contact orientated approach and possibly get him to be the hitting coach down the road. I think you'd be hard pressed to find a better hitting teacher in baseball if he wanted to be.

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Guess I’m going to have to swallow a buffet’s worth of crow and do a full-180 on Naehring.

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Originally Posted by sauronthepower

Guess I’m going to have to swallow a buffet’s worth of crow and do a full-180 on Naehring.

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I Would wait until he is actually gm before saying you will eat crow on your opinion of him .

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Originally Posted by sauronthepower

Guess I’m going to have to swallow a buffet’s worth of crow and do a full-180 on Naehring.

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I absolutely think we need a new voice in that front office, get a GM who isn't so reliant on analytics. They need someone who has the ability to identify our needs and isn't afraid to think out of the box to acquire those players IMO. I'm not crazy about Naehring but if Hal like him enough to make him the GM or something along those lines I'm all for it to get someone else making or heavily contributing to the personnel decisions.

I feel like Cashman is way to comfortable i his job because of his relationship with Hal and the family. I'm sure if Hal doesn't give him a make or break ultimatum it will be way to easy to make the easy choices for this roster this winter. We need to fix the areas discussed but if Hal isn't going to spend the money that allows us to shop at the top of the market then we need someone who can get creative to acquire the needed type pieces, especially pitching.

I just feel that with as comfortable as Cash is in his job, i can see him going the easy route because i'm sure he thinks there is always be a next yr to hopefully win if everything goes right.

If they go the cheap way to fix the pitching and basically go with what we have or maybe just resign Tanaka, I'm not sure we're a playoff team next yr if they go back to the regular playoff format. The Rays are only going to get better because they will graduate 3 top 50 specs next yr and Toronto is coming fast.

If Hal does keep us below 210M were going to have to get incredible performances for our pitching specs and all the pitchers returning IMO to seriously contend next yr.

Sherman is saying that the max the Yanks are going to offer DJ a 4yr80m deal with a possible performance based 5th yr option. Alot of insiders are saying that DJ is going to have to take a discount if he wants to stay with the Yanks and most feel that is unlikely because he's never really had a big payday. The only hope i have is hopefully DJ doesn't want to leave the place where he transformed his career. He just seems like the type that he would pass on a couple M to play where and with who he wants but u never know. He took a discount to come play here the first time, hopefully he'll do it again. If they lose him, especially to a rival, it will have to go down as one of the dumbest decisions they've made in a very, very long times

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Originally Posted by dayners81

Lol from your finger tips to Gods ears. I just have a gut feeling that Cash will go out and get another Pineda, Paxton type. Cheap, high upside, big arm, high spin rates and is missing that final thing that could make him an ace, same story we've heard before. I'd so much rather see him go for a Gray type complete pitcher. Upside might not be as high but is a very good, complete pitcher that doesn't need to be "fixed". I still think the OAK or Reds version of Gray would be a perfect #2

I'd be fine if Thames left, we need a new hitting coach that teaches contact hitting instead of swing for the fences. Gio is really the only guy i can think of that has seen massive uptick in his ability

I'm very torn on Blake. I don't think its fair to judge him based on how screwed up last yr. That said if he is as non-respected by the MLB pitchers as that scout claim they need to add a veteran pitching coach to handle the MLB pitchers.

Blakes development record is beyond excellent and with all the elite arms we have coming up through the system he's definitely the guy i want to see working with the kids. He was effective in Cleveland because so many pitcher bought into his philosophies on there way up so they trusted him and his methods, I don't think he's gotten that chance here yet. I don't want to see him gone by any means but i'd like to see his position change back to the development side. If he has the same kind of developmental success that he had in Cleveland, once some of the kids that have bought into his methods make the pitching staff then consider him for the pitching coach job if we need one then

I know he's an anals guy but there have been whispers that he doesn't like how much he's been forced to use them in his pitching programs. I really think this team relies on anals way, way to much. The game isn't played using stats or computers, you have to have a combo of both to be successful IMO

BTW Naehring was the inside GM option that Hal like's so much i mentioned to u the other day. I think to keep him they are going to have to make him the GM or at minimum assistant GM. Cashman is the Senior VP so technically they have an opening at GM. I just don't see Hal firing Cashman because of his close relationship with the family. IMO our best chance at getting a different voice making or helping make the decisions is to get an actual GM. Guys like Theo and Friedman have separate GM's so there is no reason we shouldn't have one as well.

Hals not a dumb guy from what i can tell and he can't be completely blind to Cashmans failure to get the right players we need to win. I think he's going to have to make this a make or break yr for both Cash and Boone. Our championship window has been wide open since 17 and we haven't even made a WS. We've wasted enough prime cheap yrs of this core and going forward Coles prime yrs. Failure to make the correct moves this winter to upgrade this team IMO its going to be another wasted yr.

At minimum we need a TORP, 1-2 middle relievers and a contact type LHed or S hitter. Brantley is the perfect guy in my mind. All the guy does is hit/ make contact and he has legit pull power that he could take advantage of short porch in RF. He also loves teaching hitting, maybe he could help the young kids adopt a more contact orientated approach and possibly get him to be the hitting coach down the road. I think you'd be hard pressed to find a better hitting teacher in baseball if he wanted to be.

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As to hitters that have improved, in addition to Gio, add Voit and even DJ- yes he was a good hitter in CO, but never did he average .355 over two years, plus remember that was in Colorado where everyone hits better than at lower altitudes.Not so with DJ! Maybe even Frazier.

As I think about it further, if I were an owner I would be mandating a major cut in payroll too. There just is no visibility when this covid crisis will be over and there will be some sort of a return to normal. With that being said, I'd give my team a good shot at making an extended playoff birth, but wouldn't go all in. I would also view this as a good opportunity to reset the luxury tax:

Under that scenario, I think I'd do the following:

1. DFA Sanchez and save the $6M (sign a veteran to share the role with Higgy)
2. Pay Gardy's $2.5M buyout and say see ya.
3. Do whatever was necessary to move Stanton, even if it cost me $10M annually. Like it or not, no Stanton deal then no DJ.
4. Resign DJ to the dollars he wants but likely extend that value over an extra 2 years like the Hicks deal.
5. Move Sevy and German to the bullpen to bolster it without additional cost.
6. Move Voit for a starter, my guess is that it would be a mid level starter and use DJ at first (or Ford if DJ deal doesn't work). Wade and Estrada would share the SS role for this year.
7. Resign Tanaka to a reduced deal. 3/$45Mish

Assuming 2021 looks to be normal, that's when I'd spend.

1. Ottovino is off. I'd replace with Brad Hand in FA
2. Thor is available in FA
3. Lindor is available in FA
4. Sevy moved back to rotation
5. Probably have to move on from Judge and make a trade to extract some value (no way I sign him to a contract that starts at age 31).

As long as cashman is working in some capacity for the Yankees whoever the GM is , will answer to him . Cashman made it known when he fired girardi and hired Boone that he wanted complete control

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Originally Posted by Jones

As I think about it further, if I were an owner I would be mandating a major cut in payroll too. There just is no visibility when this covid crisis will be over and there will be some sort of a return to normal. With that being said, I'd give my team a good shot at making an extended playoff birth, but wouldn't go all in. I would also view this as a good opportunity to reset the luxury tax:

Under that scenario, I think I'd do the following:

1. DFA Sanchez and save the $6M (sign a veteran to share the role with Higgy)
2. Pay Gardy's $2.5M buyout and say see ya.
3. Do whatever was necessary to move Stanton, even if it cost me $10M annually. Like it or not, no Stanton deal then no DJ.
4. Resign DJ to the dollars he wants but likely extend that value over an extra 2 years like the Hicks deal.
5. Move Sevy and German to the bullpen to bolster it without additional cost.
6. Move Voit for a starter, my guess is that it would be a mid level starter and use DJ at first (or Ford if DJ deal doesn't work). Wade and Estrada would share the SS role for this year.
7. Resign Tanaka to a reduced deal. 3/$45Mish

Assuming 2021 looks to be normal, that's when I'd spend.

1. Ottovino is off. I'd replace with Brad Hand in FA
2. Thor is available in FA
3. Lindor is available in FA
4. Sevy moved back to rotation
5. Probably have to move on from Judge and make a trade to extract some value (no way I sign him to a contract that starts at age 31).

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I like most of what you said there but Stanton isn’t going anywhere mainly because of his ntc . And resigning Tanaka and getting yet another mid tier starter for the rotation will likely not get them any closer to a world title than they are now . Outside of that I really like your ideas .

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Originally Posted by dayners81

Lol from your finger tips to Gods ears. I just have a gut feeling that Cash will go out and get another Pineda, Paxton type. Cheap, high upside, big arm, high spin rates and is missing that final thing that could make him an ace, same story we've heard before. I'd so much rather see him go for a Gray type complete pitcher. Upside might not be as high but is a very good, complete pitcher that doesn't need to be "fixed". I still think the OAK or Reds version of Gray would be a perfect #2

I'd be fine if Thames left, we need a new hitting coach that teaches contact hitting instead of swing for the fences. Gio is really the only guy i can think of that has seen massive uptick in his ability

I'm very torn on Blake. I don't think its fair to judge him based on how screwed up last yr. That said if he is as non-respected by the MLB pitchers as that scout claim they need to add a veteran pitching coach to handle the MLB pitchers.

Blakes development record is beyond excellent and with all the elite arms we have coming up through the system he's definitely the guy i want to see working with the kids. He was effective in Cleveland because so many pitcher bought into his philosophies on there way up so they trusted him and his methods, I don't think he's gotten that chance here yet. I don't want to see him gone by any means but i'd like to see his position change back to the development side. If he has the same kind of developmental success that he had in Cleveland, once some of the kids that have bought into his methods make the pitching staff then consider him for the pitching coach job if we need one then

I know he's an anals guy but there have been whispers that he doesn't like how much he's been forced to use them in his pitching programs. I really think this team relies on anals way, way to much. The game isn't played using stats or computers, you have to have a combo of both to be successful IMO

BTW Naehring was the inside GM option that Hal like's so much i mentioned to u the other day. I think to keep him they are going to have to make him the GM or at minimum assistant GM. Cashman is the Senior VP so technically they have an opening at GM. I just don't see Hal firing Cashman because of his close relationship with the family. IMO our best chance at getting a different voice making or helping make the decisions is to get an actual GM. Guys like Theo and Friedman have separate GM's so there is no reason we shouldn't have one as well.

Hals not a dumb guy from what i can tell and he can't be completely blind to Cashmans failure to get the right players we need to win. I think he's going to have to make this a make or break yr for both Cash and Boone. Our championship window has been wide open since 17 and we haven't even made a WS. We've wasted enough prime cheap yrs of this core and going forward Coles prime yrs. Failure to make the correct moves this winter to upgrade this team IMO its going to be another wasted yr.

At minimum we need a TORP, 1-2 middle relievers and a contact type LHed or S hitter. Brantley is the perfect guy in my mind. All the guy does is hit/ make contact and he has legit pull power that he could take advantage of short porch in RF. He also loves teaching hitting, maybe he could help the young kids adopt a more contact orientated approach and possibly get him to be the hitting coach down the road. I think you'd be hard pressed to find a better hitting teacher in baseball if he wanted to be.

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I agree. Gray was a fantastic pitcher in Oakland. No way of predicting he would weirdly crumble in NY. Paxton was excellent here when healthy but that was his problem...staying healthy.

Also, for all the strikeouts are the end of the world and this team will never win while having a high K% people... The Yanks had the 8th lowest K% in baseball this year. The Rays had the second highest K% in baseball. The Rays are striking out at a ridiculously high rate in the playoff yet continue to play very well. Playoff baseball is about pitching and timely hitting which can be very random at times.

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Originally Posted by Jones

As I think about it further, if I were an owner I would be mandating a major cut in payroll too. There just is no visibility when this covid crisis will be over and there will be some sort of a return to normal. With that being said, I'd give my team a good shot at making an extended playoff birth, but wouldn't go all in. I would also view this as a good opportunity to reset the luxury tax:

Under that scenario, I think I'd do the following:

1. DFA Sanchez and save the $6M (sign a veteran to share the role with Higgy)
2. Pay Gardy's $2.5M buyout and say see ya.
3. Do whatever was necessary to move Stanton, even if it cost me $10M annually. Like it or not, no Stanton deal then no DJ.
4. Resign DJ to the dollars he wants but likely extend that value over an extra 2 years like the Hicks deal.
5. Move Sevy and German to the bullpen to bolster it without additional cost.
6. Move Voit for a starter, my guess is that it would be a mid level starter and use DJ at first (or Ford if DJ deal doesn't work). Wade and Estrada would share the SS role for this year.
7. Resign Tanaka to a reduced deal. 3/$45Mish

Assuming 2021 looks to be normal, that's when I'd spend.

1. Ottovino is off. I'd replace with Brad Hand in FA
2. Thor is available in FA
3. Lindor is available in FA
4. Sevy moved back to rotation
5. Probably have to move on from Judge and make a trade to extract some value (no way I sign him to a contract that starts at age 31).

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hand is just as bad as ottavino no thanks.. no way i bring tanaka back his magic is gone and 3 years 45 million that is ridiculous..

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Originally Posted by dayners81

Yanks are internally discussing bring back Didi according to the athletic and rumors coming out of the Yanks camp. The plan would be to put Torres back at 2nd, put DJ at 1st, if they can resign him and use Voit as a piece to acquire a TORP.

IMO Didi on a 1yr deal is an excellent option. It puts Torres back at his better defensive position, DJ take over 1st base full time which should slow his decline as he's getting older and would immensely improve our infield defense. Didi would also give us a solid LHed bat that we know can handle playing in NY. He also shouldn't be that expensive either, i would guess in this market he'll be lucky to get 1yr 8m

If they only signed Didi to a 1yr deal it would give them a chance to go after one of the premier SS available after next season, Lindor, Seager and Correa when they are FA.

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your not getting any torp for voit or even a number 2....

i don't believe the yanks will do anything drastic this off season meaning prepare to be disappointed again next post season...yankee brass believe if you do something year after year eventually you will hit the jackpot...

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Originally Posted by johnny ny

i don't believe the yanks will do anything drastic this off season meaning prepare to be disappointed again next post season...yankee brass believe if you do something year after year eventually you will hit the jackpot...

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I have to agree with that , I don’t expect much from the Yankees front office this off season .