Yankee off season thread, news, notes, rumors and ideas

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Originally Posted by dayners81

^ i agree, imo it would be assine to resign DJ as our 2nd baseman then move Torres either if or when we find a SS replacement. Hes a 24yr old 2 time AS who actually hits better in the playoffs. I wouldn't move Torres period, not when he could be abhuge piece to our success for the next 12 + yrs.

If they only deal from us Cleveland would take had to included Torres for 1yr of Lindor.

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If Cleveland asked for a 1 for 1, Torres for Lindor, do you hang up?
I know the potential of Torres. I also don't think he's a great fielder. He's good but I don't think he will ever be a great SS. He's also a serious K victim. Not as much as the big boys but he's at a 25% rate.

Again, I know how good he can be and might be. He is an excellent, young player. So is Lindor.

If you had a choice between those two players, who would you rather have?

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Originally Posted by Kinkotheclown

If Cleveland asked for a 1 for 1, Torres for Lindor, do you hang up?
I know the potential of Torres. I also don't think he's a great fielder. He's good but I don't think he will ever be a great SS. He's also a serious K victim. Not as much as the big boys but he's at a 25% rate.

Again, I know how good he can be and might be. He is an excellent, young player. So is Lindor.

If you had a choice between those two players, who would you rather have?

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It shouldn't be either/or. I am confident the Yankees could put together a package for Lindor if they really want him. Shift Torres back to second and call it a day. If the Yankees are going to trade a significant package, though, they will probably want to do a sign and extend unless they are just "going for it" in 2021 and they will worry about the "details" later. In that case, they also trade for Bauer and some "stocking stuffer" elite BR arms and make themselves the favorite in the AL. This would be my preference, but I ain't writing the checks. I mean, I could write those checks, but they would bounce like a rubber ball.

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Originally Posted by Kinkotheclown

If Cleveland asked for a 1 for 1, Torres for Lindor, do you hang up?
I know the potential of Torres. I also don't think he's a great fielder. He's good but I don't think he will ever be a great SS. He's also a serious K victim. Not as much as the big boys but he's at a 25% rate.

Again, I know how good he can be and might be. He is an excellent, young player. So is Lindor.

If you had a choice between those two players, who would you rather have?

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For one year? Lindor. Take their contracts, age, and everything else in to account? Torres. The former is a free agent after '21, the latter won't become a free agent until after '24.

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Originally Posted by dayners81

again your using data from 6yrs ago, u may not have watched a game since then but analytics and the way the game is played has changed some in the last 6yrs.

Its great your doing your research to back up your opinions but i would suggest a better website and much more current data if you are going to use article to try to help lend weight to your position.

U keep insisting that Taillon would be a waste and a bad fit but what you keep ignoring is the Yanks need cheap option with high upside if they workout. They wouldn't be bring him in as a guaranteed TORP, they would be taking a realitively low risk cost wise and hoping that his talent and stuff come back. He alone isn't anywhere close to enough to fix the rotation but he's got a ton of upside and if he hits he could be a massive addition. You aren't going to get someone of his talent level, with minimal risk for 2.5m and a blocked, very flawed prospect

Your statement was that the AL is a much tougher league to pitch in compared to the NL and i have yet to see resent data from a reliable source that supports your claims of that statement being fact. Yes the AL has the DH but there are alot of very good lineups in the NL

Here's a fact, no one knows how Taillon would do pitching in the AL East because he's never pitched for a team in that division. While he absolutely could get hurt again you can say that about most any pitcher, especially the other one's that we are rumored to be interested in. You seem to fail to grasp low risk/ high reward acquisitions. Taillon is also a heavy ground ball pitcher because of his sinker so he hasn't been extremely HR prone so the parks he would be pitching in wouldn't be nearly as big of a factor if he were a fly ball pitcher

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Just because it was from 6 years it doesn’t mean stadiums and dhs have changed in fact because of analytics hitters have been hitting more hrs . And I never said taillon would be a waste or a bad fit only that he would be the biggest risk mainly because of his serious durability issues and also because of how he would do in the AL. You even admitted that we have no idea how he would do in the AL East because he has never pitched for a team in the al East and that has been my whole point . You are the one that is failing to grasp the definition of low risk high rewards. A pitcher with not one but two TJ surgeries in just 5 years is a higher risk than guys like kluber and Paxton who as of now have never had even one TJ surgery . Then there is the added risk of being stuck with a pitcher for two years instead of just one with kluber unless he meets the incentives . Then there is the fact that you are willing to trade two players one of them a good young hitter for guy with no experience pitching on the AL East like you said . That alone is risking more than you would on kluber or Paxton who would cost just money . Believe me I would be fine trading for taillon if the Yanks just needed a spot starter or were planning on using him mainly from the bullpen . But as of right now he would atleast be replacing Paxton , you would be replacing one injury prone starting pitcher for another . Tell me how that makes sense ? And if they weren’t trading for taillon to be atleast a number 3 starter then tell me , who would be the third starter after cole and Monty ? They certainly would not be getting him to be the 5th starter . That’s for sure

How about Lindor for Andujar, Tauchman, Loaisiga, Peraza & Florial?

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Originally Posted by PJO34

How about Lindor for Andujar, Tauchman, Loaisiga, Peraza & Florial?

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I would do it . But I don’t think Cleveland would want laosigia

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Originally Posted by Kinkotheclown

If Cleveland asked for a 1 for 1, Torres for Lindor, do you hang up?
I know the potential of Torres. I also don't think he's a great fielder. He's good but I don't think he will ever be a great SS. He's also a serious K victim. Not as much as the big boys but he's at a 25% rate.

Again, I know how good he can be and might be. He is an excellent, young player. So is Lindor.

If you had a choice between those two players, who would you rather have?

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If were talking just next yr, i would take Lindor. I would probably take Lindor long term as well, i prefer his skill set over Torres, lower K% around 16%, makes more contact, is a SH and plays elite defense at a premium position.

That said because of Torres age and tremendous value because he has so much control left i wouldn't dream of trading him for 1yr of Lindor especially when u factor in the cost to resign him.

Cleveland isn't going to come close to getting a player of Torres proven caliber for 1yr of Lindor. Boston didn't come close to getting that kind of elite, proven talent for Betts. I know this isn't part of the question but i think the Yanks could easily put together a package to get Lindor without having to part with anyone from the starting lineup. I think a package of Andujar, Peraza, 1 of our top 10 pitching specs, Gil, Vizcaino or Gomez and a couple of lottery tickets could get it done. That would be very similar to the Verdugo, Downs and Wong package that Boston got for Betts

The real question is would you rather have Lindor or DJ? For me that a no brainer, i'll take the next 10yr of Lindor who hasn't reached his prime yet vs the next 5yrs of an already middle aged DJ

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Originally Posted by PJO34

How about Lindor for Andujar, Tauchman, Loaisiga, Peraza & Florial?

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you probably would have to swap Lasagna for a starting pitching spec, then again with the stuff he has Cleveland may want to try and harness his control. I think you're absolutely on the right track cost wise

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Originally Posted by PJO34

How about Lindor for Andujar, Tauchman, Loaisiga, Peraza & Florial?

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Done and done

I do agree with Day. I don't think Lasanga gets it done. I think you have to add Schmidt, King or Garcia
But I still do it.

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Originally Posted by dayners81

you probably would have to swap Lasagna for a starting pitching spec, then again with the stuff he has Cleveland may want to try and harness his control. I think you're absolutely on the right track cost wise

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That was my thought exactly on Loaisiga. He has electric stuff and a team like Cleveland or Houston could probably unlock it.

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Originally Posted by Kinkotheclown

Done and done

I do agree with Day. I don't think Lasanga gets it done. I think you have to add Schmidt, King or Garcia
But I still do it.

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i'd add King but not schmidt or Garcia.

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Originally Posted by spliff(TONE)

For one year? Lindor. Take their contracts, age, and everything else in to account? Torres. The former is a free agent after '21, the latter won't become a free agent until after '24.

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Let's presume it's a sign and trade, so Lindor is here for 7 years.

1 for 1.
Lindor at 27 til he's 34 for a fat contract
Torres at 24 till he's 31 and at 27 will command a huge contract.

I think I role with Lindor. I fully respect the other opinion. I prefer Lindor's style of play

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Originally Posted by PJO34

It shouldn't be either/or. I am confident the Yankees could put together a package for Lindor if they really want him. Shift Torres back to second and call it a day. If the Yankees are going to trade a significant package, though, they will probably want to do a sign and extend unless they are just "going for it" in 2021 and they will worry about the "details" later. In that case, they also trade for Bauer and some "stocking stuffer" elite BR arms and make themselves the favorite in the AL. This would be my preference, but I ain't writing the checks. I mean, I could write those checks, but they would bounce like a rubber ball.

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I'd love that but then you are putting DJ at first?

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Originally Posted by Kinkotheclown

Let's presume it's a sign and trade, so Lindor is here for 7 years.

1 for 1.
Lindor at 27 til he's 34 for a fat contract
Torres at 24 till he's 31 and at 27 will command a huge contract.

I think I role with Lindor. I fully respect the other opinion. I prefer Lindor's style of play

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Under those conditions i take Lindor also but i still wouldn't trade Torres straight up for him.

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Originally Posted by Kinkotheclown

I'd love that but then you are putting DJ at first?

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as much as i would love to have both Lindor and DJ i think it would be one or the other i would take Lindor for the next 7yrs plus vs DJ for 5yrs. In 2 yrs DJ will likely be on the decline, especially defensively like so many other 2nd baseman when they get to their mid 30's, where Lindor will be in the early stages of his prime

I just strongly feel a middle infield of Lindor and Torres would be the best in baseball for many yrs

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Originally Posted by dayners81

Under those conditions i take Lindor also but i still wouldn't trade Torres straight up for him.

as much as i would love to have both Lindor and DJ i think it would be one or the other i would take Lindor for the next 7yrs plus vs DJ for 5yrs. In 2 yrs DJ will likely be on the decline, especially defensively like so many other 2nd baseman when they get to their mid 30's, where Lindor will be in the early stages of his prime

I just strongly feel a middle infield of Lindor and Torres would be the best in baseball for many yrs

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100%
I would love that but all signs are that Cashman won't do it.