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Originally Posted by Webslinger
Agree Day, it's not a short term plan, but rather a long term philosophy. As Sauron has mentioned more than once, a strategic vision is sorely lacking.Quote:
Originally Posted by dayners81
Imo in a competitive market place with more money available to more teams, particularly smaller markets, the Yankees financial clout is somewhat neutralized. Couple that with Hals miserly penchant and the results are disappointment.
It's not only small market teams necessity, evidence the success in the past of Giants, Dodgers, Cards , Rays and even the Mets developing home grown pitching. Currently the Rays have the top rated farm in the MLB. Led by No. 1 overall prospect Wander Franco and six Top 100 prospects. Yankees farm has improved, the international signings have boosted their rankings but as mentioned they are a long ways off.
I have a feeling given the financial stress of this season several teams, even mid-market size, will be dumping salary. The 100's of millions in lost revenue will not be easily absorbed.Quote:
Originally Posted by dayners81
That is the very definition of being more talented. The winner of a 5 game series doesn't determine that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Posada20
How do you know he will be a corner infielder in two years? Because he's tall? He's still an elite defender so even if his range takes a hit in two years he would still be more likely than not be a very good fielder even in years 3/4 of a contract.Quote:
Originally Posted by johnny ny
I remember a time you also said he would be at best a platoon player. All while he was arguably the Yankees best player and on top of that he won a batting title(yes im aware it was a short season but it still counts as far as the record books are concerned)
You probably wouldn't run into these problems if you weren't so ridiculous with some of your asinine assessments.
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And getting owned in the regular season doesn’t ?Quote:
Originally Posted by Webslinger
The Yankees played without key players in most of those games.Quote:
Originally Posted by Posada20
The Yankees had all the talent they needed this year and they came really close beating the team I think will win the WS. In 2017, they lost to the cheating Astros who ended up winning the WS; in 2018 they lost to the cheating Red Sox who ended up winning the WS; and, in 2019 they ended up losing to the cheating Astros who went to the WS and lost. The Yankees' window is wide open and will be for a long time to come. They do not need big changes. Just getting back Sevy, German, and Kahlne would have made a series changing difference and will make a huge difference next year. The experience gained by pitchers Garcia, Schmidt, and King will also make a big difference next year.
I would resign Tanaka and DJ and let Paxton and Happ walk.
I would try to find a trade for Sanchez and get a cheap backup for Higgy (who I think will be our starting catcher next year).
I like the infield of Voit, DJ, Torrez, and Urshela.
I would reluctantly let Gardner walk, although if this is his last season, I would offer him a bench role at ~5-6M so he could end his career here.
I would be wary of Bauer because he could upset the clubhouse with his antics. I have always been a fan of Marcus Stroman who could be a good back of the rotation piece at the right price (although we have cheap youngsters who are about as talented).
Blake Treinen could also be an interesting option at the right price.
Plus, I would let Cashman dumpster drive and hope to find another Voit or Urshela.
I would like to see a new manager but I doubt that would happen.
I think that's even an over simplification. Yes, these 3 guys form a formidable rotation. But, the Rays also have 5 guys in the pen that touch 100, don't walk many batters and can throw multiple innings. That's the real key. When they are up after 5, its game over.Quote:
Originally Posted by drt1010
Only in MLB can a Gary Sanchez get a raise after his beautiful 2020 season.
Freaking pathetic!
I thought getting Gerit Cole gets us further in Oct.
Houston loses Verlander and are a series away from the WS.
Yes they cheated in the past but not now. And they have less and still advanced, without Cole. We got Cole and we are at home watching. Hilarious!
Absolutely. I figured those to be starting points.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jones
I've also said the same about Judge. We can't have Judge, Stanton and Sanchez. (It looks like Sanchez has removed himself from the mix).
The signing of Stanton puts them in a precarious position and was very short sighted. I was adamantly against it when it happened and still dislike it.
Unless Hal gives the go ahead to break the bank, by signing Stanton, you have effectively limited yourself to sign Judge, Torres and at one point, we thought Sanchez, not to mention guys like Frazier, Andujar, Gio, Voit...
I do think there is a way to get all of those things done. Might need to get creative but I think they could get Lindor and Hader via trade.
He's arb 2 or 3 eligible. It will be interesting to see what happens. I wonder if he pushes or is happy to have what he does?Quote:
Originally Posted by rrzubnyy
I like a lot of what you and Sauron said as well. But I have a few that I disagree with and two moves to add:Quote:
Originally Posted by sauronthepower
AGREE:
--I don't think Hal will be ok with another 25-30mil pitching signing, so that rules out Bauer;
--Explore a trade for Lindor. The serious package that will get it done starts, and might end with Torres in a one-for-one swap. After all, Lindor will be entering his walk year.
ADDS:
--Trade Sanchez and try to get a good young reliever or SP for him;
--Try to get something for Stanton. At any other time this would be an impossibility, but with the DH probably expanding into the NL this might be a real opportunity, even if we have to throw in some $$$ to make it happen. Maybe the Brewers want a basher and would trade us Hader for GC and some salary relief.
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Originally Posted by bitobi
Could we stop this nonsense? Buck nor Joe are coming back. GOT IT?
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Originally Posted by Posada20
If Sevy or Paxton were here, Garcia wouldn't have started game 2. Could have made a huge difference.
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Originally Posted by rrzubnyy
Hey Nicky...could you show us that "WORD" that is out? Thanks....
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Originally Posted by flimflamman
Andujar at 3rd over Urshela. Let's say NO. Andujar isn't half the 3rd baseman Urshela is.
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Originally Posted by rrzubnyy
link plesae!!!
Can you say NUTS?Quote:
Originally Posted by Posada20
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Originally Posted by Posada20
Can you say NUTS?
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Originally Posted by johnny ny
SERIOUSLY? He won the batting title, but he vanished the LAST FEW GAMES, so he's worthless. You should be totally embarrassed saying something that ridiculous. And I know you didn't say he was worthless, but you sure implied it.
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Originally Posted by Jones
You're not familiar with Nicky. He hears theses strange little voices. They whisper things to him.
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Originally Posted by DasBoot
So does that mean ****************** any pitcher that gives up a HR? No what that means? You'll have no pitchers.
I was agreeing with Web in his general assessment. I agree and have said they have a deep and very good pen, truth is I don't believe the pen beat the Yankees in this series. Glasnow went 5 in game two and the Yanks scored one run late off Fairbanks. Game 3 Morton also went 5 gave up 1ER, the pen gave up 2. Game 5 Anderson gave up the only ER.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jones
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Originally Posted by Posada20
Do you need to be told that the more talented team doesn't always win? I guess you do.
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Originally Posted by rrzubnyy
And what does Cole have to do with them not advancing? Can you say NOTHING?
I believe what he’s trying to say is you have the Astros who lost Verlander and Cole and they cheated the year before, now minus all the above there playing in the ALCS. And the Yankees basically the same team as year before now with the addition of Cole is home just doesn’t make a lot of sense from a team standpoint is all. Cole pitched his *** off and in basic theory one would think with the addition of Cole that should have carried them much further than the Astros. That’s just the way I’m seeing what he’s saying and I agree from a theory standpoint.Quote:
Originally Posted by YANKSGUY
I would also argue desire plays a factor in all of this. The Rays had more desire to win.Quote:
Originally Posted by drt1010
I fully believe that in those moments, it is not imply talent or luck it is desire. We always talk about teams wanting it more in other sports but I don't think it's given enough attention in baseball.
when the Yankees of the 90s were winning, that was their identity. They found ways to win.
This team, since Boone took over, does not have that. The Rays do.
It is also a bit of BS that we played the Rays and not the As. There should have been a re-seed of the teams. The Astros should have played the As
I would agree completely. The teams of the 90's had a certain intensity, "refuse to lose" mentality.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kinkotheclown
The current team has the talent, I question the heart. I don't see the intensity, desire or urgency.
Can't say i agree with that claim. Kind of easy to say, a team had more "desire" and won their games when you had upwards of 7 players who batted .300, on top of having El Duque, Cone, Wells, Pettite as starters and Mariano Rivera as the closer. Pretty hard to lose with that much talent. The yankees of today have more power, but only one true .300 hitter, maybe two, if you count Urshela, and nearly no one who could pitch more than 4 innings, in the post season, outside of Cole, and a closer who loves to give up gaming winning homers when he comes in. Mariano gave up 2 in 140+ innings. There is simply no comparison.
Home runs are nice, I get it chicks dig it but it isn't the only way to score runs especially in the postseason. Against elite pitching you need to have a well rounded offense that puts the ball in play! Putting the ball in play means your lineup does not strikeout a lot.
This years Yankees lineup had to be the sexist lineup in mlb. But their one big problem is they strikeout too much! You need to string together hits in order to have a big inning instead of waiting for that 3 run bomb because well...we've been waiting for that bomb in a decisive game for what 3-4 consecutive years now?
The 90's championship teams had guys like O'Neill, Williams, Martinez, Knoblauch and Brosius who all struck out less than a 100 times during those championship seasons. Surprisingly Jeter was the on who stuck out the most but I think we can all agree, he had a penchant for being clutch when it mattered.
Now if you look at the current roster, guys like Judge, Stanton, Voit, Torres, Sanchez, Hicks and even Frazier strikeout at least once a game. DJ and Urshela are the only regulars in the lineup who put the ball in play. This needs to change.
Who stays and who goes? Well who's in, Stanton is stuck here whether we like it or not, Judge is the face of the current Yankees so it'll be shocking to move him, Torres is the golden child while not untouchable, he's as close as you can get and Hicks well he has a 7 year contract lol. That's 4 guys right there, almost half the lineup.
For me, that leaves Voit, Frazier and Sanchez out. Why? Because we can fill those positions with players who strike out less.
I want to see the Yankees go after Brantley who would effectively take Frazier's spot. Sanchez looks so lost he makes Higgy look like an all-star. I'd like Realmuto because I think Realmuto can take our pitching staff to another level. But I am also fine with Higgy and Sanchez splitting time next year hoping Sanchez can regain something and saving money on Realmuto. Voit is tricky, he's a fan favorite for sure and has a ton of value because his salary is minimal but that's what GM's get paid to do, make those critical decisions. If it were me, I'd resign DJ and have him play 1B.
Besides Brantley, I want the Yankees to take a good look at Jurickson Profar. I see value in Profar because he's a switch hitter, his strike out walk ratios are good and he can play multiple positions and is fairly cheap. Take a look at this:
https://bleacherreport.com/articles/...-manny-machado
Even if this article didn't age well and it's just one persons take, there are many scouts who love Profar's tools. Also don't forget the Yankees inquired about him before. The cons of Profar is obviously he has not produced. But his value is he's 28 yrs old, still in his prime and his salary will be low maybe 5M a year. Offer him a 2 year contract. Have him be a super utility guy, I see low risk high reward with Profar as long as he's not penciled in as a starter until he shows he's capable. And if he never does, what's 10M for 2 years to the Yankees?
I haven't even touched on pitching because that's a hot mess. Deal with that later lol.
Has much less to do with the actual talent and all to do with a mindset, that started at the top. Yes they had the talent, but they also expected to win everyday. Cocky confidence, an aura of invincibility. Hard to articulate but it was palatable in the way they approached each game.Quote:
Originally Posted by Webslinger
They were winners and they knw it. They believed it. This current group seems to go thru the motions at times, I don't get a sense of urgency. They have a good young core, I have faith in their ability. I just don't see the passion, emotion and intensity that can make the difference at times between a W or L.
Outside of maybe 4 players , I just don’t see an overwhelming amount of talent in this team . Which would explain why they don’t seem to have passion and intensity . I simply see 4 maybe 5 very talented players surrounded by mediocre and underperforming players .
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Originally Posted by Kinkotheclown
I mean how are these players coached today ? With two strikes aren't they taught to choke up on the bat and swing to make contact ?
Agreed , when compared with the teams of the 90s, the Yankees of the last 4 seasons don’t have much talentQuote:
Originally Posted by Webslinger
your absolutely correct. How many times other than Boones Savage in the Box rant have you see these players motivated to play for him. I don't mean excited and cheering when they are winning or after a big play, i'm talking about when they are down and needing something big to happen to turn a inning,game or series around. I remember them going to CC and Gardy far more than Boone.Quote:
Originally Posted by drt1010
I just don't think this team is capable of winning with Boone at the helm and if they do it will be despite him.
If Hal does set the salary cap around 210m they are going to leave so big holes, especially in the rotation wide open. After arbitration raises and resigning DJ that won't leave us nearly enough money to fix the pitching staff. At minimum i think we need 1 starter who is better than Tanaka, a MORP similar to Tank and 2 good relievers. I just don't think they can get all those things done with that budget unless they are willing to uses some serious spec capital
They have capital to make trades with namely Ursela and Voit. Judge also if they want to and Torres if the right deal comes along. Plus prospects and Andujar and Frazier. If the team is serious and clinical they can add different type of hitters and pitchers to the mix and keep the budget they have more or less. They can trade for young players with different skill sets. It's if they have the imagination to. I would keep Tanaka as the fourth or fifth starter on the right deal.Quote:
Originally Posted by dayners81
4 players! Seriously? Please humor me and name them.Quote:
Originally Posted by Posada20