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Matsui was the other piece of that puzzle in ‘09 however the onus, to me, always reflwcts back to ARod.Quote:
Originally Posted by 808yankee
Sherman’s numbers are way off.Quote:
Originally Posted by drt1010
Gardner is making something like 11, Tanaka is at 25, and Ellsbury is at 22. Ellsbury is not at 5million.
I do not disagree.Quote:
Originally Posted by johnny ny
Doc, we all know your rampant dislike for ARod.Quote:
Originally Posted by drt1010
It’s been well-documented.
The point that I am making, backed by both history and fact, is that, regardless of ARod’s various other foibles (and I agree that they are many), you can’t seriously try to posit that Alexander Emmanuel Rodriguez did not singlehandedly deliver the postseason heroics that got them Brian Cashman’s one true championship.
Team sport minus ARod in 2009 equals no championship.
It really is that simple.
Good.Quote:
Originally Posted by drt1010
Let him lose for another franchise for a change.
I agree. Ellsbury was under contract for more than $21M in 2020 and had a $5M buyout for the 2021 . Yankees disputed his contract for this season and refused to pay following his unconditional release. IDK, maybe he was only calculating the buyout? Also agree Gardy and Tanks numbers are off but not by large amount.Quote:
Originally Posted by sauronthepower
Agree.Quote:
Originally Posted by drt1010
He'll get released when he runs out of options.Quote:
Originally Posted by Posada20
Why don’t you read instead ? I was only talking about how he wasn’t exceptional in the 09 playoffs.Quote:
Originally Posted by drt1010
But if you want to talk overall , Hughes wasn’t exceptional either since he has a lifetime era of 4.52,
As is your love affair with Cashman.Quote:
Originally Posted by sauronthepower
I give A-rod credit for his contribution. Where I draw the line is giving him singlehanded credit. Forget foibles.
Jete had great numbers on the season, Teixeira had 39HR's, Swisher 29, Matsui had 28.
Sabathia had perhaps his best Yankee season 19-8. Pettitte went 14-8 and Mariano Rivera converted on 44 of 46 save opportunities. They finished regular season 103-59.
Yankees battled back from deficits in all three of their ALDS games against the Twins, before ultimately sweeping them out of the postseason. Yankees starters allowed just three earned runs and three extra-base hits to Twins hitters in the entire series, posting a 1.42 ERA over 19.0 innings. A Rod paced the offense, two homers and drove in six runs while batting .455 (5-11) in the three games. ARod continued his blistering offensive production in the ALCS with nine hits in 21 at-bats (.429), six runs, three homers, six RBI and eight walks. Imo his best postseason performance. CC , allowed just two earned runs over 16 innings in his two starts that series, posting a 1.13 ERA and earning both decisions, was awarded the ALCS MVP.
Matsui was unanimously named World Series MVP after going 8-for-13 (.615) with three homers and eight RBI, Matsui tied the MLB record for most RBI in a single World Series game with six in Game 6.
I can no longer tolerate your density and circuitous dancing. I am taking your advice Jorge, hence forth you are ignored.Quote:
Originally Posted by Posada20
Welcome to the club. Soon enough no one will converse with him. :laugh2:Quote:
Originally Posted by drt1010
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Except that my association with the rather questionable tenure of Brian Cashman is borne out by both history and fact, something that your attempts to diminish and circuitously demphasize the October 2009 achievements of one Alexander Emmanuel Rodriguez do not.Quote:
Originally Posted by drt1010
Since Brian Cashman has made a career cottage industry out of deflecting the light of truth and accountability, why don't we take a stroll down factual memory lane.
ALDS
Game 2 vs. Joe Nathan: 9th inning, losing 3-1: GAME TYING 2 run HR
Game 3: vs. Carl Pavano: 7th inning, losing 1-0: GAME TYING Solo HR
ALCS
Game 2 vs. Brian Fuentes: 11th inning, losing 3-2: GAME TYING 2 run HR
World Series
Game 4 vs. Brad Lidge: 9th inning, tied 4-4: GO-AHEAD Solo HR
Those were only the REALLY important ones.
Let us not forget the home runs in Games 3 and 4 of the CS and Game 3 of the World Series off of Hamels as well as a couple of key RBI hits.
My original point stands:
Without the singlehanded October postseason offseason heroics of one Alexander Emmanuel Rodriguez, the New York Yankees almost certainly lose these games and consequently the one true title that Brian Cashman can honestly lay claim to with the players, personnel, staff, and financial outlays that he, Brian Cashman, was actually responsible and accountable for.
Except that he wasn't responsible in any way, shape, or form for the contractual re-signing of one Alexander Emmanuel Rodriguez, now was he??????
You can feel free to knock it off with the A.J. Burnett nonsense any time now.
You forgot the 2 run home run that arod hit in game three that cut philly’s lead to one run . And we know who went on to win that game . He , cc , matsuri are why they won the ws that year. And I find it comical that he says you have a love affair with cashman when he keeps defending the guy . Especially when the last 15 years or so there is just no defending cashmanQuote:
Originally Posted by sauronthepower
I believe I actually acknowledge and enumerated much of the same. His contribution is not the point of contention or in dispute. What I am not willing to concede is that it was a singlehanded mission sent from the gods. One can not overlook the pitching, particularly CC effort in the ALCS. Nor can you ignore Matsui's historic performance. Both awarded the MVP for the effort. History. Fact. That does not minimize ARods contribution, just adds needed context and perspective. Do they usually give the MVP to players with negligible contributions ?Quote:
Originally Posted by sauronthepower
What I am willing to concede, they don't get to WS without ARods postseason. They also don't get to WS without CC performance AND they certainly don't win the WS without Matsui historic performance. Fact.
World series:
Game 1: 0-for-4 with three strikeouts.
Game 2: 0-for-4 with three more K's.
Game3: a two-run shot off Cole Hamels. Yankees won the game 8-5, ARod finished 1-for-2 with the home run and two RBI.
Game 4: Memorable moment. Broke a 4-4 tie in 9th with a line shot. Yankees ended up winning 7-4, and ARod finished 1-for-4 with the double and RBI. Maybe the biggest hit of series.
Game5: ARod finished 2-for-4 with 3 RBI in a losing effort.
Game 6: ARod finished 1-for-2 with two walks, but this game was Matsui show and the Yankees won 7-3.
ARod finished 5-for-20, hitting .250 with one home run and six RBI.
For the entire 2009 postseason, ARod finished 19-for-52, hitting .365 with six home runs and 18 RBI.
Fact: 3 of those 4 game altering home runs came in the 9th inning or later. Guys have made a career out of having ONE of those types of things happen in a lifetime.Quote:
Originally Posted by drt1010
ARod did it four times in two weeks.
Fact: 2 of those 4 game altering heroics came in the Yankees’ final AB’s, snatching victory from the jaws of defeat.
Fact: ARod hit .437 in the ALDS
Fact: If Alexander Emmanuel Rodriguez is not a member of the 2009 Yankees, per Brian Cashman’s ‘vision,’ the New York Yankees go a minimum of two decades bereft of championship gold and Brian Cashman enters Year 24 as the 3rd longest tenured general manager currently in the game and still looking for his first.
*Grabs Popcorn*
*Pulls up chair*
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I think we all know Docs feelings on A-rod.
There is zero doubt, that without Arod, Yanks don't make it to the world series in 09. This is just an undisputed fact. Without making it there, they can't win it all.
Cashman has a bad record on world series championships as a GM, and what i mean is as the team that he had legit control in building from the ground up. On teams that he had full control over and built as a GM, only 1 has reached the world series and won. This is a fact.
No, I'm not talking about world series on a roster he mostly was gifted from the previous rank.
We can argue this is a different era and yanks money doesn't take them as far as it did, but Cashman has clearly not done a good job with roster construction. The anal dept is not that good, others are better. The strength and conditioning team has also not been good. Cashman is the gm, that's on him. On things where money should in theory help him, he has failed.
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The board experience leaped exponentially when I put him on ignore. Yet, people keep complaining about him while continuing to converse with him. They continue to engage and quote him only indicating they wish to enable his conduct while they complain about him. Some folks are just addicted to the back and forth with him and cant admit it to themselvesQuote:
Originally Posted by OhSoSlick
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Subaru sucks. FyiQuote:
Originally Posted by flimflamman
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ThanksQuote:
Originally Posted by OhSoSlick
Just my opinion. I know many people love them. I just find them boring.Quote:
Originally Posted by flimflamman
They've had some issues with their boxer engines / oil burning issues.
The clutches in the wrx and sti are brutal and not really that good.
They're dumping many manual transmission models because they want their eye sight system to be standard on all models.
In fact I wouldn't be surprised to see them dump all the manual transmissions even in their wrx/sti soon enough.
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Also have had stuff going wrong with airbags. But that's on the hush. They've kept that nice and quietQuote:
Originally Posted by OhSoSlick
I really would hate to see Andujar go, IMO he's one of our top 2-3 hitters on this team, atleast ability wise. I'd really like to see them keep both Frazier and Andujar but truth is atleast 1 is very likely going to be used to trade for pitching. If Hal is going to keep the payroll around 210 we really don't have the money to sign a legit #2 starter that we desperately need.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kinkotheclown
I'd love to see them be able to trade Stanton but with the Marlins money paying down his contract to 21.5 AAV, being void if they trade him, were stuck with him.
With the more and more info that comes out that Hal isn't going to spend any money this winter, i have a sinking feeling were not going to like the rotation at all next yr. I just have a feeling they will do something like 1) Cole 2) cheap FA starter/ weak trade, maybe Tanaka if we lucky. 3) German 4) Monty 5) Devi 6) Schmidt or King and they will count on Sevy being the rotation savior when he gets back in June/July
I just think were going to take the cheap/ easy way to make addition this winter. I think thats going to be a mistake. So many teams are already talking about dumping as much money as they can, that market is going to be prime pickings for a team with some balls. I know we lost money this yr but with the way this franchise prints money and where were at in our championship window we need to be aggressive improving this team. I wish the Yanks would take a gamble and acquire as much talent in the areas we need, TORP, Middle relief, contact hitters preferable SH or Lhed . I think were going to see some star type player moved from other teams that are going to surprise us. I think were going to see alot of Bobby Abreau type trades, straight salary dumps and it would be a shame if we didn't capitalize on that kinda market.
Hey Sauron for you
https://yanksgoyard.com/2020/10/19/y...ch-matt-blake/
"But if Hal Steinbrenner really wants to look at where one of his biggest problems is right now, it's Brian Cashman. That's who has the Yankees worrying more about analytics than letting his players, play. That is who is responsible for the experiment to bring in the Eric Cressey pitching analytics guy that didn't work."
It goes on to shred Blake as being timid an not respected by the players.
The messed up part is we are talking 3 players. TORP. High level relief guy, a lefty contact hitterQuote:
Originally Posted by dayners81
TOPR- secures the rotation for the foreseeable future
Relief pitcher- extends the pen and makes everyone better.
Lefty contact hitter- Balances and lengthens the lineup
That's why I wonder if moving Sanchez could work. Maybe there's a team who'd be willing to give up a big contract but like the marlins did, pay a portion in order to get Sanchez who when playing right, is a threat and costs very little
Sadly, I think Andujar, Frazer and Voit are all the types of players you could move with the same logic. Low cost and high ceiling.
Once again, this is why the Staton deal was dumb as **** and pissed me off from the start. You are stuck with him for another 7 years. Cashman is an absolute fool for that deal. Jeter must be giggling
If you take Stanton off the books, you can get a Bauer or Lindor or Realmuto ... A player who wold actually help the team. Instead, the Yankees are effectively anchored in place unless at least 2-3 of the young arms turn it on big time.
The worst part is I'm sure Cashman sits there and would say how happy he is with Stanton because of his analytics.
It made me hornyQuote:
Originally Posted by OhSoSlick
Sauron, if your argument is that Cashman didn't want to sign Arod and if he wasn't there in 2009, we wouldn't have won the WS? I don't know. We don't know who would have been playing third. We can't say either way but there is a chance we might have had a guy who was equally as important ... or not.
So I can't say that Arod was the only reason for them getting to and wining the WS.
I fully agree that with him there, it was a huge benefit, he was absolutely instrumental and his contribution was immeasurable AND Cashman didn't want him.
Doc, I agree with much of your post and thoughts. But Cashman did not want Arod and without Arod's contribution that year, the Yanks were less likely to have the year they did.
Cashman did not want Arod, who tried out to be a huge contributor in that season.
That doesn't mean the Yanks don't win it but it absolutely changes the season.
After reading the recent article I posted, I like Cashman even less.
So if the Yanks don't sign Bauer which i just can't see Hal signing off on and Tanaka proves to be more expensive than were willing to go any ideas on who we should/ will get? A trade idea, someone who you'd like to see us realistically get or a FA that isn't going to get 20m plus
Devi, Schmidt, Florial and Frazier or Andujar for Bieber?Quote:
Originally Posted by dayners81
IIRC, Aaron Boone was our 3Bman before Arod and would have continued being that in 2004 and beyond if he hadn't messed up his knee real bad playing in a pickup basketball game. Would we have won more WSs between 2004 and 2008 with Boone playing there?Quote:
Originally Posted by Kinkotheclown
Just finished the article.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kinkotheclown
Really liked the last paragraph about accountability (and how there is none in Cashman’s Kingdom).
It’s almost like everything that I’ve been saying for the better part of 13 years might actually be true.
In my opinion, no.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stevemil505
Boone’s shot, while it gave me unmitigated joy for years to come, was pretty much a luck-job (but a welcome one).
He was literally a mediocre, at best, ‘talent.’
Presuming Boone is at 3rd that whole time? Yikes. No. he doesn't move the needle. The Yankees traded for Arod and the difference was significant.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stevemil505
My point was more that there was no guarantee that Boone would have been there. They may have gone a different route. They may have found a better player. He may not have been Arod but he could certainly have been better than Boone.
I think the argument was regarding 07, when Arod opted out. Cashman didn't 't want him back and George told Cash to effectively, STFU and gave ARod what he wanted.
Cashman was ready to let Arod go, so Arod would not have been a part of the 09 season and WS. So even that WS was not a result of Casman's good decisions but in spite of them.
I believe that was Sauron's main argument. Is that correct Sauron?
For sure. And I was clearly not the only one who saw Blake as ineffective.Quote:
Originally Posted by sauronthepower
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Originally Posted by Kinkotheclown
But therein lies the problem.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kinkotheclown
Blake and Thames will take the brunt of the heat that Brian Cashman and Aarone Boone have earned and so richly deserve and nothing of consequence will change nor will any tangible advancement occur.
At the very least, one of the two should have been fired and the franchise changed direction, ESPECIALLY if Hal doesn’t want to commit to procuring the necessary parts to complete the team on the open market.
No...............instead we will lose yet another of Cole’s prime production years and another of the core’s cost controlled window years hopelessly, comically, and stupidly trying to justify Brian’s ‘baseball acumen’ with another year of hoping and praying on Severino, Deivi, Monty, Holder, Cessa, Tarpley, Loisaga and the geek squad.
Wash. Rinse. Repeat.
My fear with Hal is that Cashman is now the last emotional connection to George and that will make it very, very hard for him to fire him.Quote:
Originally Posted by sauronthepower
Cashman will be admitting defeat if he fires Boone because Boone is his boy. Girardi was not.
Absolutely.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kinkotheclown
And that’s what’s truly scary.
Like I stated a few posts ago, Brian has made quite the cottage industry career-wise of failing upwards.
Quite the cottage industry.
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Originally Posted by Stevemil505
Yankees wouldn’t have won a thing with Boone instead of arod because their biggest problem from 04 to 08 was starting pitching( sound familiar? ) . Cashman failed at getting the ace the needed over and over during those 4 years and failed at effectively replacing pettitte . All they had in those 4 years ago was mussina , and a long list of failing and injured pitchers , kind of like now except it’s cole and a list of failed and injured pitchers .