Originally Posted by
dayners81
As far as the plan for the pitching i would respectfully disagree.
1)Cole he's exactly what we paid him to be, we won't have to worry about that spot for a long time hopefully
2) Sevy. It will be over 2yr since he's regularly pitched, even if his stuff comes back close to 100%, he has to relearn a ton of things.He's basically has to relearn to pitch to live hitters again. IMO anything we get from him next yr should be counted on as a bonus but not counted on.?
3) German. Very similar issues with him as with Sevy. It will be close to 20 months since he's been on the mound regularly and what makes his situation even more difficult is that he wasn't allowed to be in the Yanks facility or be in contact with coaches. German had 1 very successful yr but he hardly has the track record that indicates he'll be the same or close to the same pitcher he was during his breakout yr ??
4) Monty definitely earned another shot at the rotation with that gutsy playoff start but is he the MORP he appeared to be his rookie yr or the the 5th starter/ long reliever type that he looked this yr.???
5) Garcia has shown tremendous flashes of talent but is still only 21, very inexperienced and is no where near a finished product. The most IN he's ever pitched in a yr is 111 in 2019 and he fatigued very badly towards the end of the season. There are also concerns that because of his slight build/frame and violent, max energy arm motion that he'll be able to stay healthy throwing a 150 IN +. Another issue is that he only threw about 35 IN this yr and i just don't see the Yanks pushing 1 of their more promising arms like that with over 100+ IN increase yr over yr ????
6) Schmidt he also has shown a ton of promise but he has even fewer IP than Garcia and they are going to give him a 100 IP increase next yr when he's thrown less than a 120 professional innings since being drafted. ?????
7) we have another big group of elite, high ceiling arms that aren't quite ready yet but could contribute some next yr. I would bet with the large group of pitchers we have coming, we get a couple of really good starters and BP arms. Unfortunately they really won't be ready, barring a nuclear rise, to seriously contribute next yr
I absolutely think priority 1 has to be to get a legit 2nd ace or legit #2 behind Cole. A pitcher Better than Tanaka, a pitcher good enough we won't have to pull another BS stunt like they did in game 2.They need someone who is good enough to match up with a Glasnow and not be at a massive disadvantage.
As we saw in the Tampa series, Cole was the only starter that we had that kept runs off the board. At one point non Cole pitchers gave up 24 runs in 25 IN between the 2 series. If were going to stay and compete with the big boys we have to have more reliable pitching. We've seen yr after yr, that elite pitching is what wins in the playoffs. I might hurt with what we have to pay/give up but its time for our annual scramble for starting pitching to end
I see Bauer, even though unlikely, as the best fix. He's a legit ace and only wants a 1yr deal so no big, long term financial commitments. I think we would benefit immensely from his fire and competitiveness on that staff, we seem to be lacking that kind of guy
I also think they need a steady veteran like Tanaka in the middle of the rotation. If they can get someone better than him for similar money, 2-3yrs @ 10-14 per would be my guess, awesome. That said with as well as he's pitched here and the familiarity between the 2 they bring him back. If he ended up being our 4th/5th starter after Sevy and German get back we would be in pretty good shape rotation wise.
Then use the rest of the starters we have to fill out the rest of the rotation. We saw what happened in 08 going with 3 inexperienced starters and we can't afford to loose another peak yr of our core players.
8) that pen used to be loaded, we saw what a loaded pen looked like when we played Tampa. Outside of Green and Chappy who weren't great this yr and Britton what did we really have in the pen this yr. Otto completely lost it, Kahnle is on his 2nd TJS so i doubt he makes it back next yr, then we have a bunch of question marks.
We have guys like Albert Abreau, Nick Nelson, Alexander Vizcaino, Miguel Yajure, Roansy Contreras and other that could contribute next yr but are unlikely to be ready to seriously contribute .
IMO, even with those guys i think we need atleast 2 reliable BP arms and maybe take a chance on a failed starter or 2 like Chris Archer, Aaron Sanchez, Jose Quintana type and see if u couldn't make them a reliever. There have been teams that have had huge success turning a failed starter into a relievers.
It would be great to get a better closer but we really don't need to be shopping for that kind of reliever this winter. What we should be looking for are 3rd,4th type reliever. The relief pitcher/failed starter options this winter is actually pretty good. With as depressed as the FA market this winter will be, especially with mid-tier players, we should be able to add some quality middle relievers without breaking the bank
Hal and Cashman need to realize the window to win with this core group is closing and they need to go and get the pieces to win next yr. Cashman has been playing things incredibly safe and been way to protective of some prospects. He has to be willing to take some chances and be willing to make to big trades to get the players that we need to win a WS.
If i were Cashman i would try and find out what all the MLB players and MILB players are worth trade wise. The only spec i would consider completely consider untouchable is Dominguez. Other than him Cashman should be willing to listen on everyone and see if we get offered a Shelby Miller type deal that we just can't refuse.
IMO if were going to compete seriously next yr were going to have to have a very busy, productive winter
