Because Springer is Toronto's biggest target. If he gets 5 years 150+million from them, they will be out of the running for DJ. If Springer signs elsewhere, LeMahieu presumably becomes the Blue Jay's top target.Quote:
Originally Posted by Posada20
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Because Springer is Toronto's biggest target. If he gets 5 years 150+million from them, they will be out of the running for DJ. If Springer signs elsewhere, LeMahieu presumably becomes the Blue Jay's top target.Quote:
Originally Posted by Posada20
But the blue jays aren’t the only team very interested in dj . And if springer gets 150 million won’t that make dj’s demand of 110 mill over 5 years more reasonable ?Quote:
Originally Posted by metswon69
The question is why are you angry? I mean, I was as disappointed that the Mets got Lindor and Carrasco, but why angry? If the Yankees do nothing and I mean absolutely nothing, we will still enjoy an exciting season with a mix of veterans and kids who are capable of giving us a 2017 season. As is, we may not be the favorite to win the WS, but again it will be entertaining and isn't that what we most want from our leisure?Quote:
Originally Posted by Posada20
What is entertaining about watching a team likely struggle to win 90 games ? What is entertaining about knowing your cross town rivals will likely be more exciting to watch ? And what is so entertaining about watching a team knowing they likely have no shot at winning a ws ? The better question is how can one call them self a real yankee fan and NOT be angry at the garbage the front office has pulled over the last 4 seasons ?! I mean it’s been the same narrative with this team for atleast 5 years now , and that it is the Yankees constant need of starting pitching .Quote:
Originally Posted by PJO34
No one is interested in LeMahieu at the price he is looking for. The Blue Jays and Yankees are the teams that most likely can get closest to that number. If the Jays sign Springer, they aren't signing LeMahieu too. The market is very limited.Quote:
Originally Posted by Posada20
Considering he is laughing and angry, my guess is he's looking at himself in the mirror, naked.Quote:
Originally Posted by PJO34
I fully agree that the point is to enjoy the game. I also love the mix of vets and young players. The issue is, the Yankees really only have 2 young players. Torres and Frazier. Andujar is young but who know what type of time he will see. I hope a ton but with Stanton on the roster? Andujar will struggle for ABs.
My feeling is and has been that this team can't win it all with Stanton, Judge and Sanchez.
I don't think there is any way they can move Stanton. Sanchez could very likely fizzle, so that problem could take care of itself.
But, could Judge net you Bieber? I would absolutely explore the market for Judge. I would go a step further. I would consider moving Hicks to LF and bringing up Florial to be the every day CF. Bat him 9th and let him run. I think a player like him can ignite a team.
Cole-Bieber (or like him) Monty, German, Schmidt (until Sevy returns).
I do think there needs to be changes to this team and if they aren't a real favorite, do it now. Give the fans a vision other than station to station, Home run baseball
Yep. It's clearly a buyers market.Quote:
Originally Posted by metswon69
You're just saying that to play possum and with for Cohen to sign him. :DQuote:
Originally Posted by metswon69
I do think DJ is getting annoyed with the Yankees and will likely sign elsewhere.
The dodgers are interested too . But I do agree the Yankees will likely resign dj . I just feel they should have moved on from him after their last offer and focused on their biggest need , the starting rotation .Quote:
Originally Posted by metswon69
I understand LeMahieu wanting to bring more teams into the fold but unless the Dodgers or Red Sox bite, where else can he go? All anyone has to do is go down a checklist of teams by need and by what you hear in regards to how aggressive teams will be to know it doesn't look great for the players. Big market teams like the Phillies, Cubs, Giants, are doing nothing. DJ just doesnt have a ton of destinations.Quote:
Originally Posted by drt1010
The Mets getting McCann, Lindor and Carrasco only hurts the leverage of guys like Springer, Bauer, and Realmuto as well.
I dont think the Dodgers are interested at 100 million dollars. Their estimated payroll this year is 195 million dollars. That puts them pretty close to the luxury tax and a move like LeMahieu puts them over. Not to mention, LeMahieu isn't an everyday 3rd baseman. They already have their future 2nd baseman in Gavin Lux as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by Posada20
No one expected the mets or Padres to do what they did either . At the very least dj is trying to gain leverage on the Yankees and with lindor gone , he has some .Quote:
Originally Posted by metswon69
The Padres weren't reigning WS champs who are approaching the luxury tax. Not to mention, it's not that surprising the Padres are aggressively pursuing talent. They were a playoff team last year.Quote:
Originally Posted by Posada20
He's got less leverage actually because one of his potential suitors are now gone.
He gained leverage because his main competition in lindor is off the table too . You can’t ignore that . The Yankees lost their plan B .Quote:
Originally Posted by metswon69
You don't seem to understand. The Mets are one of the few teams who were looking to add significant payroll. Now they are off that list in all likelihood. That hurts LeMahieu. The more teams you take off the table, the less leverage a player has in getting what he is looking for.Quote:
Originally Posted by Posada20
You don’t understand that the Yankees don’t really have a plan B right now . At the very least dj has gained leverage on the Yankees .Quote:
Originally Posted by metswon69
I understand completely. You can't create a market that isn't there. Unless a team is willing to beat the Yankees current offer, the ball is in their court. Given the lack of teams willing to add significant payroll, it limits DJ's options.Quote:
Originally Posted by Posada20
All a team has to do to beat the yanks offer is to add a 5th year. For all we know he could take less than 100 mill if someone offers him 5 years.Quote:
Originally Posted by metswon69
Not necessarily. Where is this magical 5th year coming from when the most years offered so far is 3? It doesn't change the market around him either.Quote:
Originally Posted by Posada20
Yankees offered him 4 years at 87 mill and it is well known his current asking price in 5 years 110 mill . If it was only about money , he would have taken the Yankees offer by now . I still think the years are more important to him than the money .Quote:
Originally Posted by metswon69
This is a bad year for players to hit FA. They don't realize it perhaps but they're going to. I know these players won't risk it but some of these guys should try their hand again in 2022 when fans can fully return to games.
Last I saw was 4 years/75 million.Quote:
Originally Posted by Posada20
Well, the market is still the market. You can't create interest that isn't there. The battle for LeMahieu is presumably down to 2 teams who are willing to come close to his asking price.
Actually the yanks offer was 4 years 84 mill . And to be honest I wouldn’t budge from that offer either .Quote:
Originally Posted by metswon69
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i do not think dj is coming back. when the yanks want someone they go all out and get it done quickly.. the fact that dj is still unsigned leads ms me to believe he is not coming back
I think he will be back . I just don’t think dj wants to come back as much as it’s reported in the media .Quote:
Originally Posted by johnny ny
I don't mean to keep harping on you, but you're wrong. The Mets getting Lindor hurts DJ. As Metswon69 said, the Mets were one of the few teams we know are willing to add big contracts. With the Mets off the table, DJ's market shrunk by ~25%. Even without Lindor, the Yanks could trade for a rental like Story, or just grab Didi or Simmons on a one year contract. There are going to be a lot of desperate players available at the beginning of the season.Quote:
Originally Posted by Posada20
I am not wrong , cashman doesn’t think big enough to make a trade like one for story and he won’t do a thing until dj decides . The free agents hold most of the cards because no one knows for sure if there will even be baseball next season after this one simply because the players agreement runs out after this season . Dj has some leverage because of those two scenarios . He can afford to wait out the Yankees , but the question is can the Yankees afford to wait him out ? That is where dj holds atleast a little leverage . There are two logical reasons why dj hasn’t signed yet . One is that he wants years over money , and the second more likely scenario is that his desire to return to the Yankees has been exaggerated by the media . Maybe he is simply waiting for a similar offer to what the yanks gave him .Quote:
Originally Posted by PJO34
you were so against a trade for Carrasco and Lindor when I was saying that was the best move the Yanks could make this winter. U hated the idea for multiple reason but main because Carrasco wouldn't be a good #2, now you've changed your mind ?Quote:
Originally Posted by Posada20
Mets congrats on getting Carrasco and Lindor. You guys made a great, great deal and kept your top 2 specs. When Thor gets back you guys might have the best rotation in baseball. You have to be seriously excited about the future
Thanks. I am trying to strictly keep it Yankees as I know its your forum. I do think the Yankees will bring back LeMahieu when he eventually signs.Quote:
Originally Posted by dayners81
I didn’t didn’t know both carrasco and lindor were going to be traded together . And I changed my mind on carrasco simply because I compared him to Tanaka . And if it’s either Tanaka or carrasco I would choose carrasco .Quote:
Originally Posted by dayners81
Plus back then when I said I didn’t want carrasco , snell and darvish were still options . The only other option after they were traded was Castillo . So again with what was left out there , carrasco was the best fit .
With what you guys have done so far you deserve to brag a bit even in here but i appreciate it. I'm glad someone is confident that were bring him back because i'm not so sure. If it comes down to a 5th yr i think they let him walk. 5yrs110m is to long for a big bodied infielder who will be playing next season at 32-33. IMO bring him back is just a lateral move.Quote:
Originally Posted by metswon69
That deal u guys made would have been a far better move in both the short and long term IMO. If we had made that deal our offseason would have pretty much been done. They could have waited till closer to ST to pick up a BP arm or 2
I think dj comes back simply because I doubt anyone offers him the 5th year . If he doesn’t come back it will simply be because someone else offers him a similar or slightly better offer money wise than what the Yankees offered . I think the reason he hasn’t resigned yet is because I don’t think he really wants to come back to the Yankees . As for what the mets did , they simply made the best deal I have seen in a long time . One that cashman would never have the fortitude to do .Quote:
Originally Posted by dayners81
Not quite how i remember it but hey whatever you have to tell yourself to sleep at night.Quote:
Originally Posted by Posada20
i don't think Snell was ever really an option for us because I highly doubt Tampa would have traded him within their division. I agree i would have rather had Darvish than Carrasco. That said Carrasco was still damn good last yr.
Allowing DJ to back them into the corner they are in now was just plain stupid. They are now stuck with either likely giving him 5yrs or letting him walk, neither are great options. Signing a 32 yr old middle infielder to a big contract for 4-5 yrs isn't the smartest option.
What are they going to do with DJ and Gleyber if there plan really is to go after one of the premier SS next winter? . Trading for Lindor and Carrasco, especially for such an unbelievably cheap price should have been option A. Now they are almost being forced to give DJ what he wants and IMO that not the best move to sign him as our 2nd baseman for the next 4-5yrs.
Torres who was on the verge of super stardom had a horrible season on both sides of the ball until last yr. Yes its a SSS but he didn't look comfortable, especially defensively. I realize they have a completely different players but it still scare they crap out of me that Torres is going to focus so much defensively that it effects his offense, similar to what happened with Sanchez
I don’t think they allowed dj to back them into the corner they are in . I think they are just using dj as an excuse because they never planned to really do anything this off season outside of possibly bringing one or two of their own back . I said 3 months ago not to expect much more than that from them and so far I have been rightQuote:
Originally Posted by dayners81
I just dont see a team giving him that 5th year. Maybe as a mutual option where the team can buy him out but nothing guaranteed. Not for a soon to be 33 year old like you mentioned. The only scenario where I see him going elsewhere is if the Blue Jays miss out on Springer.Quote:
Originally Posted by dayners81
can't argue that but in this case I think Hal gets alot of blame also.Quote:
Originally Posted by Posada20
There have been lots of reports that were DJ's first option,. He became a superstar here, why would he want to leave? IMO he and his agency have miss read the market pretty severely. In a normal yr i don't think 5yrs110m would have been unrealistic but this yr i'll be very surprised if he gets that deal.
Shockingly i do think the Yanks are doing the right thing holding the line a 4yrs but if they don't get him back they are taking a serious step back in a wide open AL...
Its also BS that they are blaming Stantons contract on not being able to do anything. They are only paying him 22.5m AAV which is pretty cheap for a player of his talent level. IF, big if he can stay healthy that isn't to much to be paying him. We have Cole at 36mAAV and Stanton at 22.5 AAV as our only big contracts. For a team that prints money having a little under 60m AAV shouldn't prevent them from taking advantage of this market. They should be trying to take advantage of the cheap talent, especially BP arms
I'm hearing Boston is all over DJ. Although its more likely they are getting involved to drive the price up. I really don't see DJ making a ton of sense in Boston because they are likely 2yrs away from seriously competing and signing DJ is a win now move.Quote:
Originally Posted by metswon69
Are you guys out on everyone else, or is Springer or some other big move expected
It is both hal and cashman that are being incredibly stupid . Yes hal is being a cheap tightwad who doesn’t care about winning a ws . But there is still no excuse for cashman not for being able to make a trade like the Padres or mets have done . They would still be below or right at 210 mill if he made any of those trades . So at the very least they both equally to blame for this crap . But I give cashman slightly more blame because I good GM worth his weight could pull off a big trade without adding too much to the payroll . A good gm doesn’t keep hoarding players in the minors like cashman has done so far . He has added 11 players to the minors this off season , 11 players!
As for dj . I don’t think any team will offer him 5 years. What might happen is that one team might make him an offer similar or slightly more per year over 4 years . I think he might be using the Yankees offer as leverage to get a similar one so that he can leave . I don’t think dj really wants to stay with the Yankees . If he did he would have taken their offer by now .
They are getting Rodriguez back by opening day and Chris sale back at about the same time sevy is due back . Dj would be a solid pick up and possibly enough to win the division since it’s pretty much up for grabs right now .Quote:
Originally Posted by dayners81