Yankee off season thread, news, notes, rumors and ideas

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Originally Posted by drt1010

Reading is fundamental. " But your right, close only counts in horseshoes and hand grenades." Ultimately losing to the cheating Astros.

Yes I want Hal to spend. I think you missed my point. Win now vs long term strategy and vision. My comments was quite specific and couched in specific terms, which you have chosen to ignore. You don't trade a talent like Dominguez for a short term gain, when he could become a franchise player. Nothing is guaranteed I understand, however when you have career professionals effusive in their praise and assessment you take notice. You listen and heed the advice. This kid is special and only 17!

Could he be a bust? Sure the possibility exists. Remote but possible. Imo also likely a pitcher (insert your current fave) blows out an elbow and is lost to TJ surgery for 2 years. I agree a #2 is important, but I don't believe it's critically important to the point that Yankees sacrifice the future (Dominguez). You may recall, I said I loved Lindor BUT he was a luxury NOT a necessity. I was pissed as were most that he went to the Mets for a package that IMO Yanks could have matched.

The problem as I saw it, Hal wasn't going for both Lindor and DJ, it was either or, not both.

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Trading dom for Castillo is not a short term fix when he would be a Yankee for atleast 3 years , possibly longer if the yanks give him an extension before he becomes a free agent . You are acting like I want to trade dom for a one season rental . That is far from it . The Yankees are in a real bind now and for possibly next season and longer if sevy doesn’t pitch like he did in 2017 and 18 . And that is a possibility since pitchers are usually not the same after TJ surgery . In fact most who do , end up in the bullpen not very long after they come back . I am not willing to trade dom for Castillo just for this season and next , I am looking for the long term in case sevy ends up in the bullpen or leaves in 2 years . Saying dom shouldn’t be traded is sacrificing the future for an unproven prospect who will be 18 next month and has never played a single inning of professional ball . Why ? Because it will be years before anyone knows what they truly got in him .

Pads appear to be closing in on an 11 year $320 million extension for Tatis. Can we please pick up the phone and offer Stanton now?

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Originally Posted by drt1010

Should this surprise anyone? Yankees always seem to be held hostage and bent over the barrel. Small and mid market teams exact revenge whenever there is an opportunity.

Some would argue it's smart business.

Does Cleveland make a similar deal with the Yankees for Lindor and Carrasco?

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We have FAR more AND better talent that we could have parted with to make up for that difference.

Per usual, we didn’t even try.

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Originally Posted by RJYANKS12

Pads appear to be closing in on an 11 year $320 million extension for Tatis. Can we please pick up the phone and offer Stanton now?

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How can the Padres afford this? They must have an alliance with a Mexican cartel.

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Originally Posted by dayners81

Yanks are apparently deep into discussion with the Cardinals for Carlos Martinez. The framework of the rumored deal is Martinez plus cash to the Yanks for Andujar + a lottery ticket.

Isn't Martinez most a reliever now? any trade they make, especially using a chip like Andujar, should go to fixing the rotation IMO.

I was also told that after the Lindor trade that the Yanks were getting very serious about trying to get Castillio. That has slowed way down after Cincy asked for Dominguez plus. From what i was told Cincy wants Dominguez back in any package for Castillio and at this point, Cashman or whatever inmate is running the asylum lately have refused to part with him.

I understand not parting with Dominguez and not overpaying for Castillio but we really need to start making some moves to actually improve the roster before all the upgrades are gone.

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I'd want to expand the Martinez deal and ask for Alex Reyes as well. Reyes has elite stuff, just hasn't been healthy.

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Originally Posted by sauronthepower

We have FAR more AND better talent that we could have parted with to make up for that difference.

Per usual, we didn’t even try.

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No argument. I am not happy.

However do we know what Cleveland asked? Was it Torres? Dominguez? Gil and Medina in the trade? Peraza? I've heard all mentioned by various online prognosticators. As mentioned the price escalates when Yankees are involved.

Was it money? Carrasco is owed $12M in 2021 and 2022, he also has a $14 million team option for 2023 with a $3 million buyout. Lindor made $17.5M in 2020 and is in line for a hefty raise. Was it too rich for Hal's liking? Was he unwilling to add at least $32M with DJ still unsigned plus the cost of prospects?

Imo foolish not to at least sit down and talk. Two premium talents that would fit well, fill a void and unquestionably add value to rotation, line up and infield D.

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Originally Posted by Jones

How can the Padres afford this? They must have an alliance with a Mexican cartel.

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Beer money not drugs. :)

Not to mention Machado’s 10-year, $300M pact. Between these two major deals, hefty contracts for Wil Myers and Eric Hosmer, and even the recent trades that brought Yu Darvish and Blake Snell to San Diego, Padres GM Preller and team ownership are again indicating that the team is prepared to spend and spend BIG.

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Originally Posted by drt1010

No argument. I am not happy.

However do we know what Cleveland asked? Was it Torres? Dominguez? Gil and Medina in the trade? Peraza? I've heard all mentioned by various online prognosticators. As mentioned the price escalates when Yankees are involved.

Was it money? Carrasco is owed $12M in 2021 and 2022, he also has a $14 million team option for 2023 with a $3 million buyout. Lindor made $17.5M in 2020 and is in line for a hefty raise. Was it too rich for Hal's liking? Was he unwilling to add at least $32M with DJ still unsigned plus the cost of prospects?

Imo foolish not to at least sit down and talk. Two premium talents that would fit well, fill a void and unquestionably add value to rotation, line up and infield D.

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I will be disgusted if one of Gil, Medina , dom or Peraza is what kept the Yankees from doing that trade .

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Originally Posted by Posada20

I will be disgusted if one of Gil, Medina , dom or Peraza is what kept the Yankees from doing that trade .

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Not one of those you mention, but multiple. Do we know what they asked? No, just rumor and speculation from online pundits and blog writers. It's not even clear if the Yankees exchanged phone calls.

Imo the Yankees easily could have matched what the Mets offered, except the price escalates. The Castillo rumor (mentioned above by Day) a prime example, Dominguez as the center piece +. I am pissed Yankees missed on Lindor and Carrasco. I am also pissed when they get held hostage because of their status, history, payroll and revenue.

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Originally Posted by drt1010

Not one of those you mention, but multiple. Do we know what they asked? No, just rumor and speculation from online pundits and blog writers. It's not even clear if the Yankees exchanged phone calls.

Imo the Yankees easily could have matched what the Mets offered, except the price escalates. The Castillo rumor (mentioned above by Day) a prime example, Dominguez as the center piece +. I am pissed Yankees missed on Lindor and Carrasco. I am also pissed when they get held hostage because of their status, history, payroll and revenue.

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In this case they are being held hostage because of options being taken off the market and cashman doing nothing about it because he is waiting on dj . In this case it’s about supply and demand and supply is starting to run low

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Originally Posted by drt1010

No argument. I am not happy.

However do we know what Cleveland asked? Was it Torres? Dominguez? Gil and Medina in the trade? Peraza? I've heard all mentioned by various online prognosticators. As mentioned the price escalates when Yankees are involved.

Was it money? Carrasco is owed $12M in 2021 and 2022, he also has a $14 million team option for 2023 with a $3 million buyout. Lindor made $17.5M in 2020 and is in line for a hefty raise. Was it too rich for Hal's liking? Was he unwilling to add at least $32M with DJ still unsigned plus the cost of prospects?

Imo foolish not to at least sit down and talk. Two premium talents that would fit well, fill a void and unquestionably add value to rotation, line up and infield D.

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I think the Mets did it because they are pivoting off of Springer. Reports are he wants 5 years 175 million dollars. Not happening at 31 years old. Unless he comes down in price, he's going elsewhere. Probably Toronto.

The Yankees should absolutely be looking to take advantage of a market where teams are dumping payroll though. The only way that Lindor trade happens at that price is because Cleveland won't re-sign him and they aren't sure if they are going to go another year without fans in attendance.

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Originally Posted by metswon69

I think the Mets did it because they are pivoting off of Springer. Reports are he wants 5 years 175 million dollars. Not happening at 31 years old. Unless he comes down in price, he's going elsewhere. Probably Toronto.

The Yankees should absolutely be looking to take advantage of a market where teams are dumping payroll though. The only way that Lindor trade happens at that price is because Cleveland won't re-sign him and they aren't sure if they are going to go another year without fans in attendance.

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I absolutely agree. Instead Hal is holding the line on the $210M threshold. There may not be a better buying opt in his lifetime. Seems to always come down to dollars with Hal.

Bill Madden had an interesting take on the entire situ he wrote: "Before arbitration increases for Aaron Judge, Torres, Luke Voit, Gio Urshela, Luis Cessa, Gary Sanchez and Chad Green, they’re already at about $174 million. All of those raises combined will probably bring them to about $199 million. Assuming they re-sign DJ LeMahieu, that’s going to be another $20 million at least, which means they’re going to have to chop payroll (Adam Ottavino’s $9M? Does anyone want Aaron Hicks?) somewhere else.

The problem for the Yankees — which will remain a problem until 2026 — is the $30 million or so they are paying Stanton annually. This winter especially their December 2017 trade for him with Derek Jeter’s Marlins looms as perhaps the dumbest decision they ever made. Because there is no way they would have ever brought in Lindor at around $20M in his free agent walk year — much less make him their third $300 million player — and still signed LeMahieu.

Meanwhile, the lesson of Stanton and the Yankees should not be lost on Steve Cohen. The virtual Lindor trade press conference had not even been set before Mets fans were already clamoring for Cohen to sign George Springer. Conceivably, the 27-year old Lindor is going to command a 9-10 year contract of nearly $300 million, although if I were Cohen I’d still wait to see Lindor play some this season."

https://www.nydailynews.com/sports/b...u4y-story.html

More from Madden:

Talking to a couple of scouts Friday, they were frankly astounded the Mets were able to land two stars like Lindor and Carrasco for two okay shortstops in Amed Rosario and Andres Gimenez, not even giving up their top shortstop prospect Ronny Mauricio. At the moment, the rest of what the Mets gave up is a couple low-level minor leaguers with minimal upside.

“What I’d like to know,” said one scout, “is how do the Indians make this trade without Dominic Smith in it? Does anyone really think Smith would have been a deal breaker for the Mets to get Lindor? This was a flat-out fleecing on the Mets’ part.”

No doubt Brian Cashman — with a prospective trade centerpiece like Torres and chips like Miguel Andujar and promising young pitchers like Deivi Garcia, Michael King and Domingo German — was probably thinking the same thing.

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Originally Posted by drt1010

I absolutely agree. Instead Hal is holding the line on the $210M threshold. There may not be a better buying opt in his lifetime. Seems to always come down to dollars with Hal.

Bill Madden had an interesting take on the entire situ he wrote: "Before arbitration increases for Aaron Judge, Torres, Luke Voit, Gio Urshela, Luis Cessa, Gary Sanchez and Chad Green, they’re already at about $174 million. All of those raises combined will probably bring them to about $199 million. Assuming they re-sign DJ LeMahieu, that’s going to be another $20 million at least, which means they’re going to have to chop payroll (Adam Ottavino’s $9M? Does anyone want Aaron Hicks?) somewhere else.

The problem for the Yankees — which will remain a problem until 2026 — is the $30 million or so they are paying Stanton annually. This winter especially their December 2017 trade for him with Derek Jeter’s Marlins looms as perhaps the dumbest decision they ever made. Because there is no way they would have ever brought in Lindor at around $20M in his free agent walk year — much less make him their third $300 million player — and still signed LeMahieu.

Meanwhile, the lesson of Stanton and the Yankees should not be lost on Steve Cohen. The virtual Lindor trade press conference had not even been set before Mets fans were already clamoring for Cohen to sign George Springer. Conceivably, the 27-year old Lindor is going to command a 9-10 year contract of nearly $300 million, although if I were Cohen I’d still wait to see Lindor play some this season."

https://www.nydailynews.com/sports/b...u4y-story.html

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I don't disagree money is being wasted on Stanton

But, Miami is kicking in money. If I recall Yanks are on the hook for 23ish million per year.

Which normally would be a bargain for his skill set. But, his skill set is lacking because he can't stay healthy and get in a groove. So it's an irrelevant skillset.

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Originally Posted by drt1010

More from Madden:

Talking to a couple of scouts Friday, they were frankly astounded the Mets were able to land two stars like Lindor and Carrasco for two okay shortstops in Amed Rosario and Andres Gimenez, not even giving up their top shortstop prospect Ronny Mauricio. At the moment, the rest of what the Mets gave up is a couple low-level minor leaguers with minimal upside.

“What I’d like to know,” said one scout, “is how do the Indians make this trade without Dominic Smith in it? Does anyone really think Smith would have been a deal breaker for the Mets to get Lindor? This was a flat-out fleecing on the Mets’ part.”

No doubt Brian Cashman — with a prospective trade centerpiece like Torres and chips like Miguel Andujar and promising young pitchers like Deivi Garcia, Michael King and Domingo German — was probably thinking the same thing.

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I don’t understand why writers are still talking about Torres like he’s a tradable prospect