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10-24-2020, 04:51 AM
Jones

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Originally Posted by Jones

I respectfully disagree. At 29, coming off a Cy Young, injury free, and the only true TORP on the market, you take as much money as you can get. If the total doesn't exceed $200M, you just build in opt outs. But, you clearly don't assume any performance or injury risk.

Mets, San Diego, Chicago, Philly all have to be in. I bet the Dodgers kick the tires too. Remember, no guaranteed TORPs coming out in 2021 either.
10-24-2020, 05:46 AM
dayners81

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Originally Posted by Jones

I respectfully disagree. At 29, coming off a Cy Young, injury free, and the only true TORP on the market, you take as much money as you can get. If the total doesn't exceed $200M, you just build in opt outs. But, you clearly don't assume any performance or injury risk.

Fair points, the difference for me is Stras was coming of an unbelievably dominate WS MVP. Bauer has been excellent at times in the regular season but lacks the true playoff resume IMO to get the 7yrs245m Stras got last yr, especially in this market. I agree, especially with no guaranteed ace in the 21 class someone may step up and give him that kinda deal but i'll be surprised. I think he would have much better luck meeting or exceed that contract in 21. Take a huge 1yr deal, which lots of teams would probably be in on, then cash in next yr when the FA pitching market is still weak and lots more teams maybe looking to spend big money after slashing payroll for next yr

To me, especially with how Bauer is, he would be more interested in beating Coles 36m AAV, Bauer will never get a bigger total contract but he could always 1up Cole by saying his AAV was higher even if it was a short term deal
10-24-2020, 06:39 AM
dayners81

It will be interesting to see if the 2 biggest pitching contracts ever will go to college team mates that went 1st and 3rd in the same draft. I'd be very pleased if they were on the same team again
10-24-2020, 07:33 AM
Kinkotheclown

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Originally Posted by Webslinger

Ok, now that Bauer is out of the picture, let's focus on real options.

So Cashman was short sighted when he acquired Stanton, but things will change once he hands out another albatross contract to a position player he doesn't need?

its not lack of concentration. Torres looks like someone who's just not that used to the position. Not surprising since most players his age are still in AA. Before 2019, the last time he played SS for a full season was in 2016 when he was 20.

Handing out a 5-7 year deal to a soon to be 28 year old gold glove SS who can hit 30+ hr
Vs
a 10 year deal with a NTC, that will last till he's 37 to a one dimensional hitter, who was really signed to be a DH

Yeah. I think one is far more shortsighted than the other.

If I could choose between those two deals, I would absolutely sign up for Lindor.

What you failed to miss is that I actually agreed with you regarding Scherzer and was commenting that Stanton was the reason they likely wouldn't sing anyone of cost.

What is more short sighted or actually, blind, is suggesting they sign Verlander.
10-24-2020, 07:37 AM
Kinkotheclown

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Originally Posted by dayners81

Fair points, the difference for me is Stras was coming of an unbelievably dominate WS MVP. Bauer has been excellent at times in the regular season but lacks the true

playoff resume IMO to get the 7yrs245m Stras got last yr, especially in this market. I agree, especially with no guaranteed ace in the 21 class someone may step up and give him that kinda deal but i'll be surprised. I think he would have much better luck meeting or exceed that contract in 21. Take a huge 1yr deal, which lots of teams would probably be in on, then cash in next yr when the FA pitching market is still weak and lots more teams maybe looking to spend big money after slashing payroll for next yr

To me, especially with how Bauer is, he would be more interested in beating Coles 36m AAV, Bauer will never get a bigger total contract but he could always 1up Cole by saying his AAV was higher even if it was a short term deal

Which is why the Yankees wouldn't sign him. There is no way they sign him for more money be it AAV or full deal and start him behind Cole.

I still don't think Bauer is worth the money he will get.
I would start the conversation with Cleveland about Bieber and see if they had any interest in moving him.
10-24-2020, 11:17 AM
YANKSGUY

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Originally Posted by Posada20

You are right, and it is all about the basics of baseball and a lot of the Yankees players have either no knowledge of those basics or are taught that they don’t need to know or use it . Look at the dodgers right now , they just bunted a run in and then got another in via a basehit this inning .

Yankee players don't know the basics of baseball? You come up with some crap but that one ranks way up there.
10-24-2020, 01:01 PM
Posada20

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Originally Posted by YANKSGUY

Yankee players don't know the basics of baseball? You come up with some crap but that one ranks way up there.

Remember the times they screwed up the run down plays on the bases ? That is not knowing the basics
10-24-2020, 01:25 PM
Webslinger

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Originally Posted by Kinkotheclown

Handing out a 5-7 year deal to a soon to be 28 year old gold glove SS who can hit 30+ hr
Vs
a 10 year deal with a NTC, that will last till he's 37 to a one dimensional hitter, who was really signed to be a DH

Yeah. I think one is far more shortsighted than the other.

If I could choose between those two deals, I would absolutely sign up for Lindor.

What you failed to miss is that I actually agreed with you regarding Scherzer and was commenting that Stanton was the reason they likely wouldn't sing anyone of cost.

What is more short sighted or actually, blind, is suggesting they sign Verlander.

The first few words of your post had me lol because i'm otherwise, completely speechless. In what universe would lindor ever take a 5 - 7 year deal? :laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh:: laugh::laugh:
10-24-2020, 03:06 PM
Kinkotheclown

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Originally Posted by Webslinger

The first few words of your post had me lol because i'm otherwise, completely speechless. In what universe would lindor ever take a 5 - 7 year deal? :laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh:: laugh::laugh:

You are likely speechless because you have nothing actually, intelligent to say. It's a theme with you.

I don't know Web. what type of deal might get that done? Maybe a higher AAV for a 5-7 year deal could get him signed.

I assure you you are not laughing as hard as I was when you suggested signing Verlander or Dave Robertson.

You wanted to sign a 39 year old who will miss all of next season recovering from TJ surgery?
Or Robertson., who's pitched 6.2 innings in two years and is still recovering from TJ surgery at age 35 to replace Chapman?
Now that's hysterical.
Suggesting Lindor might take a 5-7 year deal? Maybe a stretch. Maybe not.

Suggesting signing relying on those two pitchers next season? That **** is pricelessly stupid.
10-24-2020, 03:44 PM
Webslinger

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Originally Posted by Kinkotheclown

You are likely speechless because you have nothing actually, intelligent to say. It's a theme with you.

I don't know Web. what type of deal might get that done? Maybe a higher AAV for a 5-7 year deal could get him signed.

I assure you you are not laughing as hard as I was when you suggested signing Verlander or Dave Robertson.

You wanted to sign a 39 year old who will miss all of next season recovering from TJ surgery?
Or Robertson., who's pitched 6.2 innings in two years and is still recovering from TJ surgery at age 35 to replace Chapman?
Now that's hysterical.
Suggesting Lindor might take a 5-7 year deal? Maybe a stretch. Maybe not.

Suggesting signing relying on those two pitchers next season? That **** is pricelessly stupid.

What incentive does Lindor have to re-enter free agency when he's 33-35 years old? LOLOL. Have you watched baseball before this season? :laugh:

Verlander and Robertson, on a one year deal is totally worth it, but i get it, you need something to attack to make your ridiculous narrative, make some sort of sense, even if you're the only one who believes it.
10-24-2020, 03:47 PM
ay0rock2

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Originally Posted by sauronthepower

Kink, in fairness, Cashman has been on the job going on 23 years, 20 of which can be directly attributed to players, staffing, resource allocation and decision making solely of his choosing and consequently, his responsibility.

In those 20 years, we have been to 2 World Series and won exactly 1.

In the 20 years prior to the dynasty, we made 4 World Series appearances and won 2 (and were very poised for a 5th appearance in ‘94) in what is widely regarded as our single worst era as a franchise.

At the end of the day, no one historically remembers a second place winning season.

To me, the frustration is well justified.

This is exactly the way I was thinking about things. I’m not here to bash or praise Cashman but I defintley think maybe it’s time for a new way of thinking, or just a different voice from the top. With the payroll and expectations this team comes with every year we seem to be stuck at the same position every year. Hell maybe bring in Buck to GM to oversee Boone, just a thought.
10-24-2020, 07:35 PM
Jones

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Originally Posted by Webslinger

What incentive does Lindor have to re-enter free agency when he's 33-35 years old? LOLOL. Have you watched baseball before this season? :laugh:

Verlander and Robertson, on a one year deal is totally worth it, but i get it, you need something to attack to make your ridiculous narrative, make some sort of sense, even if you're the only one who believes it.

Lindor is a top 5 position player. Plays a critical position and is a plus defender. You get his entire prime. He gets 10 years. Something just short of Bett's deal in terms of total asset value. No question.
10-24-2020, 10:07 PM
Posada20

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Originally Posted by Webslinger

What incentive does Lindor have to re-enter free agency when he's 33-35 years old? LOLOL. Have you watched baseball before this season? :laugh:

Verlander and Robertson, on a one year deal is totally worth it, but i get it, you need something to attack to make your ridiculous narrative, make some sort of sense, even if you're the only one who believes it.

I agree with giving Robertson a 1 year deal by why verlander ? Won’t he be out until 2022? .
10-24-2020, 10:14 PM
johnny ny

a shame corey seager is not a free agent he would be perfect for the yanks a ss with tremendous power and a lefty in yankee stadium...
10-24-2020, 10:15 PM
johnny ny

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Originally Posted by Webslinger

What incentive does Lindor have to re-enter free agency when he's 33-35 years old? LOLOL. Have you watched baseball before this season? :laugh:

Verlander and Robertson, on a one year deal is totally worth it, but i get it, you need something to attack to make your ridiculous narrative, make some sort of sense, even if you're the only one who believes it.

verlander would be 39 and coming off tommy john no thanks..

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