Yankee off season thread, news, notes, rumors and ideas

Bring Sir Did back for short stop. He had fire and was a clutch lefty bat. Move Torres back to second. And keep DJ at either first or third and trade either Voit or Ursela. Preferably Voit is traded as Ursela plays great D. But you go for the best deal. Ursela, Didi, Torres, DJ with Andujar getting time as bavk up at 1st,, 3rd, and DJ sounds ok, if Voit gets you a good return. If not Did, Yankees need to get quality left bats, and hitters who can hit well with two strike counts and with RISP. That should be the key. For me no one should be untouchable on the roster except for Cole, they need to move the needle, light a fire, stir the drink. They need to find a few players who will be catalysts for a revived approach at the plate. While hoping to get one more pitcher or develop Schmidt and Garcia. I wonder what Voit and or Ursela can get us.

I wouldn’t bring didi back it’s not like they won anything in the playoffs with him . I would give torres one more chance at SS . I mean Gary has been given 3 years at catching and he won’t go anywhere

Gio is a top 5 3rd baseman, cheap, plays incredible D, hits for a high avg, has multiple yr of very cheap control left and will make less than 2m next yr. IMO he's the exact kinda play you keep, not trade. If they were able to get a solid return from Voit and move DJ to first, i'd be all for it

And one more ingredient, the Yankees need a Puerto Rican on the team. Haven’t won any World Series since they had one:clap:

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Originally Posted by dayners81

Gio is a top 5 3rd baseman, cheap, plays incredible D, hits for a high avg, has multiple yr of very cheap control left and will make less than 2m next yr. IMO he's the exact kinda play you keep, not trade. If they were able to get a solid return from Voit and move DJ to first, i'd be all for it

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Have to give to get. It would suck, but I would do it depending on the trade value. You can always start Andujar and sub him out for defense with a good bench player. Depends on the deals we can make.

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Originally Posted by Webslinger

Can't say i agree with that claim. Kind of easy to say, a team had more "desire" and won their games when you had upwards of 7 players who batted .300, on top of having El Duque, Cone, Wells, Pettite as starters and Mariano Rivera as the closer. Pretty hard to lose with that much talent. The yankees of today have more power, but only one true .300 hitter, maybe two, if you count Urshela, and nearly no one who could pitch more than 4 innings, in the post season, outside of Cole, and a closer who loves to give up gaming winning homers when he comes in. Mariano gave up 2 in 140+ innings. There is simply no comparison.

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I would argue you had guys who hated to make an out and even more hated to strike out.
Desire plays a part in all of it.

In an ideal world I would move Voit to DH, DJ if we resign him to 1B, Gleyber back at 2B and we sign Didi back or trade for Lindor at SS.

But that's a lot of movement for just 1 player.

Also I would consider moving Stanton this offseason, I know he has a NTC but maybe if he can move to another winner like LA, SD or the Angels he wouldn't say no.

Anyway the focus this offseason should be 3 SP and 2 to 3 bullpen arms. Pitching.

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Originally Posted by ShinobiNYC

In an ideal world I would move Voit to DH, DJ if we resign him to 1B, Gleyber back at 2B and we sign Didi back or trade for Lindor at SS.

But that's a lot of movement for just 1 player.

Also I would consider moving Stanton this offseason, I know he has a NTC but maybe if he can move to another winner like LA, SD or the Angels he wouldn't say no.

Anyway the focus this offseason should be 3 SP and 2 to 3 bullpen arms. Pitching.

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LA has no room on roster. Angels aren’t going to spend on another star that’s not a pitcher. SD is an interesting spot, but the need there is pitching and I don’t see them open to adding the payroll.

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Originally Posted by Kinkotheclown

I would argue you had guys who hated to make an out and even more hated to strike out.
Desire plays a part in all of it.

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If a player doesn’t have enough desire to win and needs to be pushed to do well and win . They truly are not a very good player imo

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Originally Posted by Kinkotheclown

I would argue you had guys who hated to make an out and even more hated to strike out.
Desire plays a part in all of it.

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Also probably the biggest difference between then and now. His name was George Steinbrenner lol

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Originally Posted by Jones

LA has no room on roster. Angels aren’t going to spend on another star that’s not a pitcher. SD is an interesting spot, but the need there is pitching and I don’t see them open to adding the payroll.

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I was thinking more of a contract to contract trade. with prospects as a fill-in depeding on the value on the contract we are talking about.

Let's not forget the NL will have the DH fulltime probably next year. And that opens up a roster spot for a lot of teams.

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Originally Posted by ShinobiNYC

I was thinking more of a contract to contract trade. with prospects as a fill-in depeding on the value on the contract we are talking about.

Let's not forget the NL will have the DH fulltime probably next year. And that opens up a roster spot for a lot of teams.

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I can see teams being interested in Sanchez for a dh role if that happens

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Originally Posted by ShinobiNYC

I was thinking more of a contract to contract trade. with prospects as a fill-in depeding on the value on the contract we are talking about.

Let's not forget the NL will have the DH fulltime probably next year. And that opens up a roster spot for a lot of teams.

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There are certainly teams that would make sense, but they are all small market teams. Brewers, Cards, Mets, etc. But, his cost is high for a DH and his no trade clause complicates things. No way he accepts a trade to any of those teams.

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Originally Posted by Posada20

No I wouldn’t have felt any more confident in Paxton in game 2 because he wasn’t any better than happ this season . Why don’t you be realistic and just admit the rays despite all their injuries still had better pitching than the yanks did in this series and this season . The only pitching injury that really hurt the yanks this season was khanle and that is only because ottavino didn’t step up to replace him . He was bad . If ottavino had been good this season , the yanks don’t miss khanle as much as they do . That is why the rays are in the alcs . They guys who replaced their injured pitches stepped up and did their jobs . You know kind of like the next man up thing last year for the yanks.....

Here is one simple question I have for you .

One starting pitcher finished the regular season with a 3.47 era , the other with a 6.6 era . Who would you have gone with in game 2?

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I think I would have left Garcia in and not used Happ at all...

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Originally Posted by evilemplover

I think I would have left Garcia in and not used Happ at all...

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Exactly , play the hand that you stuck with at the deadline .

I would have used Tanaka in game 2 and then Garcia in game 3 followed by Monty in game 4

another offseason... some bleepin complaints.. Same old.. "We gotta trade our best players because they suck!"...

The reason Tampa won..
1. They didn't have a handicap of Aaron Boone..
2. They don't have our fans to put up with.. (wait.. do they have ANY fans.. That toilet bowl they play in rarely was ever to capacity even before the pandemic....) So they can let those young pitchers pitch and learn to play well.. here in NY.. you either win always or you suck... I mean come on.. Voit wins the the HR title.. gotta get rid of him.. .Judge.. young cheap, good defender and hits both for decent average and distance.. gotta move him... Torres has an off year (in an all around crappy year) and he's gotta get moved...

Let's just throw away every young player we ever get for over the hill never will be agains... ugh same tune different year.. move the very guys we should be damanding we get and you want to get rid of them...

I guess I'm glad I took a few months off.. I didn't miss anything..

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Originally Posted by evilemplover

another offseason... some bleepin complaints.. Same old.. "We gotta trade our best players because they suck!"...

The reason Tampa won..
1. They didn't have a handicap of Aaron Boone..
2. They don't have our fans to put up with.. (wait.. do they have ANY fans.. That toilet bowl they play in rarely was ever to capacity even before the pandemic....) So they can let those young pitchers pitch and learn to play well.. here in NY.. you either win always or you suck... I mean come on.. Voit wins the the HR title.. gotta get rid of him.. .Judge.. young cheap, good defender and hits both for decent average and distance.. gotta move him... Torres has an off year (in an all around crappy year) and he's gotta get moved...

Let's just throw away every young player we ever get for over the hill never will be agains... ugh same tune different year.. move the very guys we should be damanding we get and you want to get rid of them...

I guess I'm glad I took a few months off.. I didn't miss anything..

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Trading some of of your best young players under contract control is not said lightly. I don’t want to trade some of our best players like Voit, Ursela, and Judge because they suck but because they have the most value to fill out the roster in the right deal. I am not advocating trading players for the sake of trading them alone. Team this offseason should make a plan and expedite it clinically. Purpose should be to diversify the offense away from a HR or nothing attack and to add arms, both starters and relievers. We now may need a new infusion of talent and different skill sets to the roster. If this can be done with free agency, player development, coaching, and a few trades of lower level talent and veterans like Stanton and players like Andujar, Frazier, and prospects that would be ideal. However, trading players like Stanton and Sanchez may prove unlikely for value so unfortunately that leaves players like Voit and Ursela as trade candidates. Or an other option for this team on a specific budget would be to not bring back DJ and spend the money he would demand on a player or two. The old Yankees way of signing the best few free agents is long gone. You have to give to get in this league in trades. We found some gems in Voit and Ursela, and developed a Stud in Judge, but they are the most valuable assets we have and trading them might suck but in the right deal I would trade them. And yes, I don’t mind firing Boone or Cashman or both. Yet, it seems the ownership like the continuity of Cashman so whoever replaces Boone will manage like him anyway. Let’s see how creative the team can get. Although I anticipate no real changes. Just a few tweaks.

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Originally Posted by flimflamman

Trading some of of your best young players under contract control is not said lightly. I don’t want to trade some of our best players like Voit, Ursela, and Judge because they suck but because they have the most value to fill out the roster in the right deal. I am not advocating trading players for the sake of trading them alone. Team this offseason should make a plan and expedite it clinically. Purpose should be to diversify the offense away from a HR or nothing attack and to add arms, both starters and relievers. We now may need a new infusion of talent and different skill sets to the roster. If this can be done with free agency, player development, coaching, and a few trades of lower level talent and veterans like Stanton and players like Andujar, Frazier, and prospects that would be ideal. However, trading players like Stanton and Sanchez may prove unlikely for value so unfortunately that leaves players like Voit and Ursela as trade candidates. Or an other option for this team on a specific budget would be to not bring back DJ and spend the money he would demand on a player or two. The old Yankees way of signing the best few free agents is long gone. You have to give to get in this league in trades. We found some gems in Voit and Ursela, and developed a Stud in Judge, but they are the most valuable assets we have and trading them might suck but in the right deal I would trade them. And yes, I don’t mind firing Boone or Cashman or both. Yet, it seems the ownership like the continuity of Cashman so whoever replaces Boone will manage like him anyway. Let’s see how creative the team can get. Although I anticipate no real changes. Just a few tweaks.

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Well said!

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Originally Posted by evilemplover

I think I would have left Garcia in and not used Happ at all...

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Amen

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Originally Posted by ShinobiNYC

In an ideal world I would move Voit to DH, DJ if we resign him to 1B, Gleyber back at 2B and we sign Didi back or trade for Lindor at SS.

But that's a lot of movement for just 1 player.

Also I would consider moving Stanton this offseason, I know he has a NTC but maybe if he can move to another winner like LA, SD or the Angels he wouldn't say no.

Anyway the focus this offseason should be 3 SP and 2 to 3 bullpen arms. Pitching.

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100%.
If they could move Stanton, it would open up a world of opportunities. (Presuming finance is an issue)
I love the idea of Voit to DH. Torres back to second. DJ to first, Gio stays put and Lindor at SS.
I think considering he's in his last year of arbitration, Lindor has some say over his future. He could effectively, nix a deal by saying he won't sign long term. I think Andujar and Schmidt can get the dialogue started.
I don't think that's too much movement for one guy


I also think Hader could be a target for the pen.

I also believe that Cole should step up and put aside his personal feelings about Bauer. If the Yankees signed Bauer?
And then sign Tank?
Cole-Bauer-Tak- and your back end 2 some combo of Monty/Devi/ Sevy/German...

How about making painful trades?

Trade Torres, Trade Garcia, Trade Sanchez, Trade Voit, trade Hicks?

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Originally Posted by rrzubnyy

How about making painful trades?

Trade Torres, Trade Garcia, Trade Sanchez, Trade Voit, trade Hicks?

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Why Torres? The rest I can understand or at the very least rationalize. I assume the plan includes Lindor or Didi?

CF replacement?

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Originally Posted by drt1010

Why Torres? The rest I can understand or at the very least rationalize. I assume the plan includes Lindor or Didi?

CF replacement?

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. For me everyone but Cole is on the market for the right deal. Maybe Torres for Lindor
? It puts Lindor at SS, and leaves DJ at 2b. You keep Ursela and maybe trade Voit for a left hitter for first. For me the Line up needs more balance and variation. With Voit, Stanton, Judge, Sanchez,Torres, Ursela, Frazier, we have enough right handed power. We need more left handed hitters, more contact hitters. Hitters who can bunt and hit and run. Some of the trades can just mean trading a great player for an other great player that just fits better for our team. Well let’s just see how imaginative they can get,

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Originally Posted by flimflamman

. For me everyone but Cole is on the market for the right deal. Maybe Torres for Lindor
? It puts Lindor at SS, and leaves DJ at 2b. You keep Ursela and maybe trade Voit for a left hitter for first. For me the Line up needs more balance and variation. With Voit, Stanton, Judge, Sanchez,Torres, Ursela, Frazier, we have enough right handed power. We need more left handed hitters, more contact hitters. Hitters who can bunt and hit and run. Some of the trades can just mean trading a great player for an other great player that just fits better for our team. Well let’s just see how imaginative they can get,

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Imo this team does not need to be blown up. It needs to be tweaked. #1) resign DJ. A #2 to slot behind Cole and a quality BP piece are next on list, imo. Once Sevy and German are back the rotation looks a bit better. I would try to work something out with Tanaka, however I am concerned the warranty has expired on his elbow repair. Happ and Pax....see ya.

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Originally Posted by drt1010

Imo this team does not need to be blown up. It needs to be tweaked. #1) resign DJ. A #2 to slot behind Cole and a quality BP piece are next on list, imo. Once Sevy and German are back the rotation looks a bit better. I would try to work something out with Tanaka, however I am concerned the warranty has expired on his elbow repair. Happ and Pax....see ya.

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I fully agree. A lefty contact bat, preferably one who can run. A legit #2. A couple pen arms.
I also, mostly agree with Mush's post on which you commented and mostly agreed.
I wouldn't move Torres right now. But Sanchez, Hicks, Garcia, Andujar, Judge, Stanton are all guys for whom I'd listen to offers.

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Originally Posted by Kinkotheclown

I fully agree. A lefty contact bat, preferably one who can run. A legit #2. A couple pen arms.
I also, mostly agree with Mush's post on which you commented and mostly agreed.
I wouldn't move Torres right now. But Sanchez, Hicks, Garcia, Andujar, Judge, Stanton are all guys for whom I'd listen to offers.

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I never said the team needs to be blown up. However, too many righty batters who swing for the fences. We have a good team, but a fresh set of eyes, clinical analysis, and willingness to deal anyone other then Cole should be used to the fullness to explore improvement. Everything on the table. Maybe it’s cause I watch soccer and in soccer teams are cold blooded. They develop players since they were pre teens, but will sell and trade these players for the good of the team.

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Originally Posted by Posada20

Outside of maybe 4 players , I just don’t see an overwhelming amount of talent in this team . Which would explain why they don’t seem to have passion and intensity . I simply see 4 maybe 5 very talented players surrounded by mediocre and underperforming players .

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Little talent on this team? LMAO!!!!

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Originally Posted by drt1010

Why Torres? The rest I can understand or at the very least rationalize. I assume the plan includes Lindor or Didi?

CF replacement?

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Torres for Lindor no doubt!

bring Gardy back for 2021 to play CF for a stopgap.

And the others trade for minor league depth and then open up the checkbook to fill in the holes.

We have to restock the farm as this group proved to be nothing but 1st Round losers.

I might even trade Judge if we could get the right player back.

I loved the roster in 2017 but not anymore....

This is like 2002-2008 all over again with these early playoff exits.

We do have a lot of talents but the youth are not that young anymore. If you look closely both Judge and Sanchez are approaching 30 years old very fast.

Chapman (33), Britton (33), Ottavino (35), Hicks (31), Stanton (31, if he doesn't opt-out) and obviously Happ (38), Tanaka (32) and Gardner (37) are past their prime.

The last time Stanton had a full-season was 2018. So he is an issue especially if he can't field and has issues staying healthy.

If it's up to me I would go younger without affecting too much how great a team they are.

So I looked at the Dodgers' payroll and commitments past 2021 and saw a match that many of you may not like but I would do it tbh.

I would move Stanton and his huge contract for the next 2 years of David Price ($32M per) and a few prospects (especially pitching prospects). Remember Stanton only makes $23M/year for us so that would add $9M/year in 2021 and 2022.

I don't know how much we are gonna get from Price in 2021 but this move would clear us for when Judge, Sanchez and Gleyber hit FA after 2022.

And that move would also give us an OF with Judge [RF], Hicks [CF] and Frazier [LF] while we can move Voit, DJ, Sanchez or even Judge at DH.

And if it doesn't work out with the Dodgers I'm sure other teams have similar bad contracts or contracts they rather trade away (Darvish with the Cubs for example).

....and Price will be 36 in August! Sorry, I would move Stanton, but not at any cost. I see your long range projection, but also remember they are losing salary next year.

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Originally Posted by drt1010

Imo this team does not need to be blown up. It needs to be tweaked. #1) resign DJ. A #2 to slot behind Cole and a quality BP piece are next on list, imo. Once Sevy and German are back the rotation looks a bit better. I would try to work something out with Tanaka, however I am concerned the warranty has expired on his elbow repair. Happ and Pax....see ya.

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Well, German will start next season, but Severino will be nothing more than someone out of the bullpen late in the season, assuming their starting rotation holds steady. If they have to depend on severino next year they're in big trouble.

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Originally Posted by Webslinger

Well, German will start next season, but Severino will be nothing more than someone out of the bullpen late in the season, assuming their starting rotation holds steady. If they have to depend on severino next year they're in big trouble.

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Well....He had the surgery mid Feb. an accelerated generous recovery of 12 months finds him ahead of schedule with ample time for ST prep. An 18 month recovery, likelihood of a return to rotation at all next season diminishes considerably.

Has Monty, following his own year off due to Tommy John surgery, shown enough to be considered for 4-5 spot?

King, Garcia, Schmidt, Loaisiga, Cessa, five guys all capable of meaningful innings, whether as starters or "openers".

Last I read severino won’t be back until June earliest.

Monty wasn’t back full strength until this year and he had the surgery in 2018.

“I’ve been down in Tampa since the day after I had my surgery,” Severino said. “I do arm bike, dumbbell exercises, and I just follow the routine that [trainers] Timmy [Lentych] and Alfonso [Malaguti] plan out for me. I spend an hour and half with them in the trainer’s room before I move into the gym, every day, five days a week.

“Things have been progressing well. I’ve been making steady progress -- lifting, doing exercises. Since three months ago -- I think when I first had my surgery -- I feel way better. I’m doing everything I need to do right now so that I can start throwing this summer.’’

That was in May 2020. He has since started his throwing program. Optimistically he could be ready in time for ST 2021, all depends on his progress in the rehab.

https://www.mlb.com/yankees/news/lui...-john-recovery

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Originally Posted by drt1010

“I’ve been down in Tampa since the day after I had my surgery,” Severino said. “I do arm bike, dumbbell exercises, and I just follow the routine that [trainers] Timmy [Lentych] and Alfonso [Malaguti] plan out for me. I spend an hour and half with them in the trainer’s room before I move into the gym, every day, five days a week.

“Things have been progressing well. I’ve been making steady progress -- lifting, doing exercises. Since three months ago -- I think when I first had my surgery -- I feel way better. I’m doing everything I need to do right now so that I can start throwing this summer.’’

That was in May 2020. He has since started his throwing program. Optimistically he could be ready in time for ST 2021, all depends on his progress in the rehab.

https://www.mlb.com/yankees/news/lui...-john-recovery

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He still shouldn’t be counted on to really help the rotation next season. And no one knows if we will get the 2017 sevy or the second half of 2018 sevy . Plus he hasn’t done very well in the playoffs either . But I think that is what cashman will do . He will say sevy will be back by the start of next season . And do nothing about the rotation this off season . And by the way the third paragraph says he could miss part of the 2021 season as well . So again Noone knows when he will be back for sure .

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Originally Posted by drt1010

....and Price will be 36 in August! Sorry, I would move Stanton, but not at any cost. I see your long range projection, but also remember they are losing salary next year.

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You can live with 2 years of a bad contract. Having to live with 8 years of Stanton (some are already desperate to move him at 31! Imagine 7 years from now!) is way worst. Just imagine how bad Pujols looked the last 4 seasons that's what Stanton will probably be in 4 years.

It is an idea, the other way you do it is by contemplating signing Judge to a more friendly contract or having to move him down the line (once his stock is higher).

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Originally Posted by drt1010

Well....He had the surgery mid Feb. an accelerated generous recovery of 12 months finds him ahead of schedule with ample time for ST prep. An 18 month recovery, likelihood of a return to rotation at all next season diminishes considerably.

Has Monty, following his own year off due to Tommy John surgery, shown enough to be considered for 4-5 spot?

King, Garcia, Schmidt, Loaisiga, Cessa, five guys all capable of meaningful innings, whether as starters or "openers".

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Well 12 months for general recovery but 18 till a pitcher is back to 100%. He may be no better than a number 4/5 pitcher for the yankees. Unless, German returns to form and Deivi pitches lights out, we're looking at a very long year, without at least one strong number 2. i actually wonder if either Minor or Ray might be willing to take one year deals to raise their value to become free agents again after 2021.

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Originally Posted by Webslinger

Well 12 months for general recovery but 18 till a pitcher is back to 100%. He may be no better than a number 4/5 pitcher for the yankees. Unless, German returns to form and Deivi pitches lights out, we're looking at a very long year, without at least one strong number 2. i actually wonder if either Minor or Ray might be willing to take one year deals to raise their value to become free agents again after 2021.

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Can’t believe drt still thinks using an opener is a great idea when it’s failed the Yankees in the last two post seasons....
Especially when those 5 guys he listed have yet to prove they can be counted on in close games . Especially Cessa and laosigia

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Originally Posted by Posada20

He still shouldn’t be counted on to really help the rotation in st . And no one knows if we will get the 2017 sevy or the second half of 2018 sevy . Plus he hasn’t done very well in the playoffs either . But I think that is what cashman will do . He will say sevy will be back by the start of next season . And do nothing about the rotation this off season . And by the way the third paragraph says he could miss part of the 2021 season as well . So again Noone knows when he will be back for sure .

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No guarantees on anything in BB. If the glass is half full, a 12 month recovery estimate of Feb 2021 and 18 month process closer to July. I am not suggesting he should be counted on to be a major contributor from day 1. He is working hard and the rehab thus far is going well and he feels good. I prefer a wait and see, rather than write him off for 2021. But I am also a realist. A minor set back and the time table is worthless.

You on the other hand tend to have a perpetual half empty perspective. Always expecting, predicting a worse case scenario. An old saying suggests a persons reach should exceed their grasp. But I do believe there are limitations to exceedingly high and unrealistic expectation. When the goals are set too high failure is unavoidable and your self fulfilling prophecy is preordained. In research work we refer to confirmatory bias similar to self-fulfilling prophecy. We all seek to find evidence that validates our a priori beliefs or values, and may underestimate or ignore evidence that contradicts our expectations.

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Originally Posted by Webslinger

Well 12 months for general recovery but 18 till a pitcher is back to 100%. He may be no better than a number 4/5 pitcher for the yankees. Unless, German returns to form and Deivi pitches lights out, we're looking at a very long year, without at least one strong number 2. i actually wonder if either Minor or Ray might be willing to take one year deals to raise their value to become free agents again after 2021.

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No argument. I truly believe they should be shopping for a solid #2.

My comments were simply a more positive spin on Jorge perpetual pessimism.