This is why they kneel

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Originally Posted by ewing

I don’t know what the forecast in DC was for that day but I’m sure it did not call for tear gas and beatings

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Question I will ask (again)……

Do you think the police went out there and just started shooting tear gas (and it was smoke, not tear gas) and pepper bullets or do you think they asked the crowd to move back (most likely several times) and the crowd would not move???

Seriously…what do you think happened????

And if your answer was they were protesting on public property…just save it. They could have protested on public property 50 yards back. As it was, they were blocking access to the church.

Just like if a few hundred people stood on the street (public space) in front of your driveway blocking access, the police would be called to move them.

It is always best, and by far easiest, to do what the police tell you to do.

Why don't ypu just say that you don't like the police???

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Originally Posted by SiteWolf

there was nothing that COULD have been transpiring that makes him being shoved as he was appropriate...nothing

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So you were there too.

Great. Eye witness.

Keep us posted.

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Originally Posted by mngopher35

Ignoring the POTUS isn't healthy for the country. Downplaying bad things from the POTUS the way you do isn't healthy imo. That it isn't new is an even bigger problem, people like yourself not holding certain people accountable and defending like that post is part of why it is acceptable today. If he can just keep doing this and you are just going to keep acting like it's not a big deal because he might not have known and so on then why wouldn't he keep doing it? That is the point people are making, we need accountability at the top not an ignorance of what is going on because bad things have become acceptable (to many this is only going to last until parties change then opposite approach will be taken).

I agree the us vs them mentality is unhealthy. Pointing out obvious logical issues in context/reality related to our leaders and especially POTUS is not solely an us vs them argument. You are just seeing everything as us vs them it seems which is actually a major part of the problem (and leads to often both sidesing issues without context because your focus is that there are two teams and not separating things based on facts/context but those teams instead).

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I'm holding Trump accountable the only way I can. I'm not voting for him.

I'm NOT us vs them ... I'm fighting back on us vs them.

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Originally Posted by Scoots

I'm holding Trump accountable the only way I can. I'm not voting for him.

I'm NOT us vs them ... I'm fighting back on us vs them.

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That is not the only way but it is one that you can use sure, glad you at least have some standards then. You could also call him out for bad individual actions but choose not to and instead push a team game narrative.

You made a logical point into an us vs them argument, the context itself has nothing to do with it needing to be an us or a them it is a common sense point. Holding the POTUS accountable for their actions is not a team game aspect but YOU are seeing it that way.

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Originally Posted by Scoots

You applied your own percentages not me. And I didn't say more than minuscule, you did.

So, basically because I said "if" because I wasn't certain you decided to make this a back and forth. I'm still not certain and you haven't even tried to prove it to me. I said he probably knows but that's not good enough for you either. What do you want from me since a completely logical "if" has you so agitated?

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You only said he probably knows after I responded. You probably never would have said he probably knows without backing you into it.

What I want from you is to stop your 50/50 middle ground attempts.

You’re in another thread saying nobody knows anything about Covid and there’s no experts, you’re in here saying we don’t know if Trump is aware about one of the biggest news stories entirely about him for the past week.

You trying to play middle man in these cases makes you look like a naive doofus.

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Originally Posted by ccugrad1

You can rename BLM We Pick and Choose Which Black Lives Matter and the moment they started looting, burning down businesses, etc., they lost all credibility in my eyes and those that loot and burn down businesses should be in jail right next to the police officers. The police officers should be arrested and convicted; I don't think anyone disputes that.

Everyone wants to protest and loot for George Floyd, but where were they when other black people were killed innocently before this?

Plus, I think a bunch of this is staged anyways, considering 99.9% of the riots and looters are in Democratic States, who have been promising utopia for years. They are supposedly going to fix the problems, but never do. George Floyd died in a deep blue city in a deep blue state with a Democratic governor. And now people want to blame White Supremacists and Donald Trump?

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Originally Posted by Scoots

He came at me for saying "if" so I was just responding to what he was saying.

I don't know that he knows and probably you don't either. I don't know what's wrong with using softening language when something is not known. Do you prefer "assuming he knows he should apologize"?

I'm just tired of the obsession with Trump. He hasn't really changed since day 1, he loves to hear his name and we just keep lapping it up.

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If someone criticized Trump for believing in Santa Claus, would you respond with “If Trump doesn’t believe in Santa Claus. That attack is not true”? No, you’d tell them that attack is stupid because Trump doesn’t believe in Santa Claus. Now do you have any proof he doesn’t believe in Santa Claus? No, you have common sense.

Trump DOES believe in Santa Claus, tho
He just thinks it's HIM

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Originally Posted by mngopher35

That is not the only way but it is one that you can use sure, glad you at least have some standards then. You could also call him out for bad individual actions but choose not to and instead push a team game narrative.

You made a logical point into an us vs them argument, the context itself has nothing to do with it needing to be an us or a them it is a common sense point. Holding the POTUS accountable for their actions is not a team game aspect but YOU are seeing it that way.

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What good does complaining to your family do about the actions of the squirrel in the yard? Only action matters, and the only legal action I can take is with my vote.

Do you think Trump Derangement Syndrome is a real thing?

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Originally Posted by Sluggo1

Question I will ask (again)……

Do you think the police went out there and just started shooting tear gas (and it was smoke, not tear gas) and pepper bullets or do you think they asked the crowd to move back (most likely several times) and the crowd would not move???

Seriously…what do you think happened????

And if your answer was they were protesting on public property…just save it. They could have protested on public property 50 yards back. As it was, they were blocking access to the church.

Just like if a few hundred people stood on the street (public space) in front of your driveway blocking access, the police would be called to move them.

It is always best, and by far easiest, to do what the police tell you to do.

Why don't ypu just say that you don't like the police???

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No I won’t save it. You are wrong. So wrong it is obvious you would fine a justification for almost any action against protesters.


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Originally Posted by Sluggo1

Question I will ask (again)……

Do you think the police went out there and just started shooting tear gas (and it was smoke, not tear gas) and pepper bullets or do you think they asked the crowd to move back (most likely several times) and the crowd would not move???

Seriously…what do you think happened????

And if your answer was they were protesting on public property…just save it. They could have protested on public property 50 yards back. As it was, they were blocking access to the church.

Just like if a few hundred people stood on the street (public space) in front of your driveway blocking access, the police would be called to move them.

It is always best, and by far easiest, to do what the police tell you to do.

Why don't ypu just say that you don't like the police???

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In that regard, why don't you just say you're madly in love with the police???

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Originally Posted by valade16

You only said he probably knows after I responded. You probably never would have said he probably knows without backing you into it.

What I want from you is to stop your 50/50 middle ground attempts.

You’re in another thread saying nobody knows anything about Covid and there’s no experts, you’re in here saying we don’t know if Trump is aware about one of the biggest news stories entirely about him for the past week.

You trying to play middle man in these cases makes you look like a naive doofus.

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You are still trying to tell me what I think and thought.

I've always figured he probably knew, I still don't think it has bearing on me saying "if".

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Originally Posted by valade16

You trying to play middle man in these cases makes you look like a naive doofus.

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Bingo.

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Originally Posted by spliff(TONE)

In that regard, why don't you just say you're madly in love with the police???

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Don’t ever question when the authority tells you to do something, just do it!

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Originally Posted by Scoots

You are still trying to tell me what I think and thought.

I've always figured he probably knew, I still don't think it has bearing on me saying "if".

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Would you ever start a sentence with “If Trump believes Santa is fake” because you don’t have conclusive evidence?

Or are there some things that are overwhelmingly likely to be true to the point where an “if” is unnecessary?