This is why they kneel

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Originally Posted by flips333

So if smoke grenades and Pepper balls have the effect of irritating the skin and the eyes and making it hard to breathe... what the **** does it matter that it's not tear gas, which irritates the skin and the eyes and makes it hard to breathe.

It's like if I hit someone in the head with a cricket Bat and the NYT reported that I hit them with a baseball bat and everyone started to fixate on the fact that they wrongly reported that I used a baseball bat instead of the fact that I bludgeoned someone. Seriously what the **** is wrong with people.

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Ever been exposed to tear gas and smoke grenades??? Although both look the same, there is a world of difference.

Smoke grenades do not necessarily make you move. It is bearable. With tear gas, you move.

But you are avoiding the original point…do you think the police just walked out and shot these grenades and bullets or did they ask the "peaceful" protestors to leave (probably multiple times). And who do you think became aggressive first??? The police or the "peaceful" protestors.

Bottom line with all this stuff, regardless as to what city you are in, if the police ask you to move along, you should move along.

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Originally Posted by Scoots

The part about this one that bugs me a bit is that police all over the country have been using similar tactics on peaceful protesters but this one is getting a ton of extra coverage because Trump, more coverage than other worse behavior by police.

Trump Trumps and Trumps and the media jumps to yell TRUMP. Trump wins again. Twas it ever thus.

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How come we never hear about bad behavior by the protestors.

Former police chief killed in St Louis
300 police injured in NYC
numerous police injured around the country
police precinct burned down
policeman run over in NYC
looting and fires across the US

Does any of that qualify as bad behavior or are we supposed to "understand" it???

Just wondering.

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Originally Posted by valade16

Exactly. It tells you they don’t have any problem with police gassing peaceful protestors.

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What about all the police getting injured by the "peacefull" protestors??? Any comments on that????

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Originally Posted by Scoots

I think most government is willing to push any boundary to keep the populace where they want them.

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Is that from you or Joe Stalin???

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Originally Posted by Sluggo1

How come we never hear about bad behavior by the protestors.

Former police chief killed in St Louis
300 police injured in NYC
numerous police injured around the country
police precinct burned down
policeman run over in NYC
looting and fires across the US

Does any of that qualify as bad behavior or are we supposed to "understand" it???

Just wondering.

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Imagine if you got this riled up about people who are given the legal power of life and death abusing that power to kill people. Because each of those things that you point out, there are countless more examples of the police doing those things.

The police have injured FAR more than 300 people.

The police have destroyed (I don't know that they've explicitly burnt things) plenty of people's property and stolen (asset forfeiture anyone) even more.

The police in NYC ran over how many people this year?

Again asset forfeiture is just a fancy way of saying legalized looting.

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Originally Posted by Sluggo1

How come we never hear about bad behavior by the protestors.

Former police chief killed in St Louis
300 police injured in NYC
numerous police injured around the country
police precinct burned down
policeman run over in NYC
looting and fires across the US

Does any of that qualify as bad behavior or are we supposed to "understand" it???

Just wondering.

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We don’t hear about that? We’ve heard nonstop about it. Half the arguments in here were trying to get people to differentiate between the rioters/looters and the peaceful protestors.

Which speaking of, here you are trying to lump everyone in together to vilify them. What does what the protestors in St. Louis or NYC have to do with this specific incident?

We’re these specific protestors peaceful and did the police gas them?

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Originally Posted by flips333

Why should protesters have to move because the president wants a photo op?

Secret service: "All right... everybody needs to clear out here... the President needs to awkwardly hold up a book he;s never read in front of a church."

Protesters "Why? That dude is a **** burger!"

Secret Service "Well Trump's butt hurt because FOX reported he went into his bunker and he thinks that makes him look like a *****."

Protesters: "He can **** off!"

Secret service: Ok have the police fire the smoke canisters and pepper balls... and don't forget to beat on the austrialian media with your shields while you are at it.

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If I plop myself down in one of you classrooms and just play music loudly disrupting your class, would you just allow me to sit there or call the campus police??? If I refuse to move and they drag me out kicking and screaming, would that be OK or would you stand up for my right to protest???

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Originally Posted by Sluggo1

What about all the police getting injured by the "peacefull" protestors??? Any comments on that????

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Can you show me where any police were injured during this DC incident?

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Originally Posted by Sluggo1

If I plop myself down in one of you classrooms and just play music loudly disrupting your class, would you just allow me to sit there or call the campus police??? If I refuse to move and they drag me out kicking and screaming, would that be OK or would you stand up for my right to protest???

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For being a businessman, you are shockingly ignorant about the difference between public and private property...

Any thoughts from the pro-cops side on this one?

https://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/...ficer-71147000

Why did the armed black man get perceived as a threat by this officer down in Alabama? And why was the reporting blocked on it until just now?

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Originally Posted by Scoots

The part about this one that bugs me a bit is that police all over the country have been using similar tactics on peaceful protesters but this one is getting a ton of extra coverage because Trump, more coverage than other worse behavior by police.

Trump Trumps and Trumps and the media jumps to yell TRUMP. Trump wins again. Twas it ever thus.

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You don't think it's worse when the president of the united states does it? I believe in terms of holding people to higher standards Police officer should be pretty high... But the ****ing President of the united states... Should be higher.

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Originally Posted by Sluggo1

Ever been exposed to tear gas and smoke grenades??? Although both look the same, there is a world of difference.

Smoke grenades do not necessarily make you move. It is bearable. With tear gas, you move.

But you are avoiding the original point…do you think the police just walked out and shot these grenades and bullets or did they ask the "peaceful" protestors to leave (probably multiple times). And who do you think became aggressive first??? The police or the "peaceful" protestors.

Bottom line with all this stuff, regardless as to what city you are in, if the police ask you to move along, you should move along.

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When were you exposed to tear gas, or Smoke grenades and pepper balls? I'm honestly curious.

BTW I'm guessing on what "pepper balls" are... Is it some form of pepper spray that can be fired from a weapon?

I didn't ignore it. I spoke to it... You must have just not read that post. My response was... WHY do they have to move out of the way so the president can have a photo op?

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Originally Posted by Sluggo1

If I plop myself down in one of you classrooms and just play music loudly disrupting your class, would you just allow me to sit there or call the campus police??? If I refuse to move and they drag me out kicking and screaming, would that be OK or would you stand up for my right to protest???

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yes... that's totally the same as protesters on a public street being gassed to get someone a photo op... Got me
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Come protest my class... we will see what happens.

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Originally Posted by flips333

yes... that's totally the same as protesters on a public street being gassed to get someone a photo op... Got me
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Come protest my class... we will see what happens.

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I’m assuming he’d be totally fine if you used smoke to get him to leave (so long as it wasn’t tear gas).

there is no smoke vs tear gas argument anyway....did Bill Barr not state it was pepper bombs (while saying 'it wasn't chemicals, it was pepper spray' or some stupid **** like that)

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Originally Posted by SpecialFNK

not everything.

I disagreed with a method of protesting.

I also gave Kaepernick credit for the money that he donated.

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Oh....not literally everything. Thanks for clearing that up. :laugh2:

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Originally Posted by SpecialFNK

then it should be really easy for you to show that. if there has been this much, back that up.

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Okay. Right after I prove to everyone that the sky is blue.

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Originally Posted by valade16

In the other thread you said you refused to post a tweet because you couldn’t verify it’s accuracy, but in this thread you’re fine with posting a tweet without knowing if it’s true.

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Hmm....

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Originally Posted by flips333

So if smoke grenades and Pepper balls have the effect of irritating the skin and the eyes and making it hard to breathe... what the **** does it matter that it's not tear gas, which irritates the skin and the eyes and makes it hard to breathe.

It's like if I hit someone in the head with a cricket Bat and the NYT reported that I hit them with a baseball bat and everyone started to fixate on the fact that they wrongly reported that I used a baseball bat instead of the fact that I bludgeoned someone. Seriously what the **** is wrong with people.

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Yup.

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Originally Posted by Scoots

The part about this one that bugs me a bit is that police all over the country have been using similar tactics on peaceful protesters but this one is getting a ton of extra coverage because Trump, more coverage than other worse behavior by police.

Trump Trumps and Trumps and the media jumps to yell TRUMP. Trump wins again. Twas it ever thus.

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#AllUnsavoryPoliceTacticsMatter

Holy **** this is brilliant. It's going to be a little hard for people who do not understand denominators... But if you know anyone who says "What about black on black crime" send them to this.

https://twitter.com/michaelharriot/s...63768285188096

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Originally Posted by Sluggo1

Ever been exposed to tear gas and smoke grenades??? Although both look the same, there is a world of difference.

Smoke grenades do not necessarily make you move. It is bearable. With tear gas, you move.

But you are avoiding the original point…do you think the police just walked out and shot these grenades and bullets or did they ask the "peaceful" protestors to leave (probably multiple times). And who do you think became aggressive first??? The police or the "peaceful" protestors.

Bottom line with all this stuff, regardless as to what city you are in, if the police ask you to move along, you should move along.

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Originally Posted by flips333

When were you exposed to tear gas, or Smoke grenades and pepper balls? I'm honestly curious.

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Come on now. He's a good boy who has NEVER broken the law.

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Originally Posted by spliff(TONE)

Come on now. He's a good boy who has NEVER broken the law.

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well, to be fair, there's been a LOT of people exposed to tear gas, etc that haven't broken the law....just in the past 2 weeks

Oh, I'm well aware. Just saying that I would bet money that Sluggo has NEVER been exposed to tear gas or smoke bombs.

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Originally Posted by flips333

You don't think it's worse when the president of the united states does it? I believe in terms of holding people to higher standards Police officer should be pretty high... But the ****ing President of the united states... Should be higher.

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I don't think Trump personally did it. I think it's probable he didn't know it was happening. I'm not sure he would care, but the secret service doesn't inform the protectee of all the things they do to protect them, and the police don't ask the President how to do their job.

Most likely Trump said he wanted to go to a church for a photo op and the rest of it just happened.

Assuming he's been informed of it having happened, he should have said it was wrong by now.

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Originally Posted by flips333

When were you exposed to tear gas, or Smoke grenades and pepper balls? I'm honestly curious.

BTW I'm guessing on what "pepper balls" are... Is it some form of pepper spray that can be fired from a weapon?

I didn't ignore it. I spoke to it... You must have just not read that post. My response was... WHY do they have to move out of the way so the president can have a photo op?

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Not that anyone will believe me………

Part of basic training in the military (back in the 60s) involved 1 full day of CBR Training (Chemical, Biological, and Radiological Training). Various types of hand grenades were demonstrated. White phosphorous was unreal (burned a hold thru an engine block). Get that on your skin and the burn would be incredible. Thought that if weapons were being outlawed as inhumane, WP should be near the top of the list. I could not see any use foe these types of grenades to exist at all. We were also shown various smoke grenades … several different colors used to mark positions. The had no effect on any of us. Might have smelled a little, can't remember.

We were also put into a cabin wearing our gas masks while the drilled sergeant burned what were mustard gas tablets. No smell, and completely invisible. We had to take our gas masks off and remain in position for 30 seconds. No one could do it. it was unbelievable. Finally we had to sit in a field in groups of 25 or so with our gas masks in their pouch and behind our backs while the sergeants (who were masked) opened up some tear gas canisters and we had to get our gas masks out, clear them and put them on. Most of us couldn't do that and just ran. (I got mine on.)

The tear gas was so strong that I doubt that that is what is used against the rioters. I'd like to think that some tempered down version is used in the street. (but maybe it is, I dunno.

WHY do they have to move out of the way so the president can have a photo op?……because they were told to. Same reason intersections are closed off and traffic is delayed when dignitaries go by. Very annoying but necessary. Also because it is the easier thing to do. Wouldn't it have been so much simpler for the protestors to peaceably move back instead of making a big issue out of it.

Just common sense really.

I've been gone for a week or so. Went to Antifa boot camp. It was a blast. Ready to do terrorism! What did I miss here?

I should add that they only reluctantly let me in because I wasn't a 75 year old and did really bad at the "falling on command" entry physical fitness test. That's what they're...or I guess WE'RE looking for in our super soldiers. Basically failed 2 out of 2 requirements but I'm learning.

Looks like Trump is going to be giving a speech soon? Neat. Oh, and it's being written by a LITERAL white nationalist?! Cool. Very cool.

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Originally Posted by Scoots

I don't think Trump personally did it. I think it's probable he didn't know it was happening. I'm not sure he would care, but the secret service doesn't inform the protectee of all the things they do to protect them, and the police don't ask the President how to do their job.

Most likely Trump said he wanted to go to a church for a photo op and the rest of it just happened.

Assuming he's been informed of it having happened, he should have said it was wrong by now.

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In the photos/videos of the walk you can clearly see gas wafting up in the background. What did Trump think happened there?

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Originally Posted by ewing

I still don’t understand this defund the police thing but i think there are situations we use cops where other professionals are better suited for the job. My brother is mentally ill. No serious record, no violent history, but he can hear voices, be delusional etc. if someone like him needed a wellness check I’d prefer it came from a social worker instead of a crime fighter.


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Exactly!

How many times have you heard of somebody calling the police for a wellness check on a mentally ill person and they end up killing them instead.

The point to let cops fight real crime not be and all purpose call to handle everything.

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Originally Posted by Brewersfan255

I guess it’s white privilege now to call 911?


https://twitter.com/eddiezipperer/st...964370432?s=21


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Having the expectation that the police will and should help you is definitely a white privilege !

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lmao. What a bunch of snowflakes.

And only the white ones showed up?

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Originally Posted by ManRam

lmao. What a bunch of snowflakes.

And only the white ones showed up?

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Yup

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Originally Posted by valade16

In the photos/videos of the walk you can clearly see gas wafting up in the background. What did Trump think happened there?

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I have no idea. My guess is he's so far up his own *** he dismissed it as not having anything to do with him.

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Originally Posted by Scoots

I don't think Trump personally did it. I think it's probable he didn't know it was happening. I'm not sure he would care, but the secret service doesn't inform the protectee of all the things they do to protect them, and the police don't ask the President how to do their job.

Most likely Trump said he wanted to go to a church for a photo op and the rest of it just happened.

Assuming he's been informed of it having happened, he should have said it was wrong by now.

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When did the buck stop stoping there?

And also you think the secret service is going to order gassing of US citizens without telling someone (at the very least the campaign team or chief of staff)? If so our secret service is dumb!

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Originally Posted by Sick Of It All

Exactly!

How many times have you heard of somebody calling the police for a wellness check on a mentally ill person and they end up killing them instead.

The point to let cops fight real crime not be and all purpose call to handle everything.

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https://www.treatmentadvocacycenter....w-enforcement-

One of the most amazing things I have ever seen in terms of mental illness (and my title is ****ing assistant professor of clinical psychology) was a time I was walking across 34th st from a home for the developmentally disabled I worked at (east side) to the main office (west side). I came upon a scene right out in front of macys. There were all these people standing around and a bunch of cops 4 or 5, 2 or 3 pushing people back 2 with hands on butts of their guns, barking demands. In the center of this semi-circle was a man who was clearly homeless and schizophrenic... yelling at no one in particular and holding (not in a threatening manner a knife). A police officer pulled up in an unmarked car, but dressed in the uniform. The crowd parted. All the tense police officers pulled back and this guy walked up to about 6 feet away started talking to the guy.... About what was wrong, why he was stressed etc. No guns drawn.... just talking. 6 feet away. 20 ****ing minutes.... of chat. The ****ing crowd started to bore of the lack of action and started to thin out. the other cops were yawning. Then like nothing the schizophrenic guy dropped the knife and walked away with the main guy.

What I take from this is not good apple... bad apple ****... What I take from it is that there are some people who can do that and some who can't. People who are going to rush to the scene of a crazy man with a knife need the type of training that guy had... not ****ing ******** warrior training. Just like ninja psychology guy probably isn't the guy you want on the swat team when a nut job climbs a watertower and starts shooting.

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https://www.treatmentadvocacycenter....w-enforcement-

One of the most amazing things I have ever seen in terms of mental illness (and my title is ****ing assistant professor of clinical psychology) was a time I was walking across 34th st from a home for the developmentally disabled I worked at (east side) to the main office (west side). I came upon a scene right out in front of macys. There were all these people standing around and a bunch of cops 4 or 5, 2 or 3 pushing people back 2 with hands on butts of their guns, barking demands. In the center of this semi-circle was a man who was clearly homeless and schizophrenic... yelling at no one in particular and holding (not in a threatening manner a knife). A police officer pulled up in an unmarked car, but dressed in the uniform. The crowd parted. All the tense police officers pulled back and this guy walked up to about 6 feet away started talking to the guy.... About what was wrong, why he was stressed etc. No guns drawn.... just talking. 6 feet away. 20 ****ing minutes.... of chat. The ****ing crowd started to bore of the lack of action and started to thin out. the other cops were yawning. Then like nothing the schizophrenic guy dropped the knife and walked away with the main guy.

What I take from this is not good apple... bad apple ****... What I take from it is that there are some people who can do that and some who can't. People who are going to rush to the scene of a crazy man with a knife need the type of training that guy had... not ****ing ******** warrior training. Just like ninja psychology guy probably isn't the guy you want on the swat team when a nut job climbs a watertower and starts shooting.

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Yeah, but sadly most of these cops go out there with the mentality that they will shoot first before they might die.

The saddest case I can recall of the top of my head is somebody called the police to check on a 70 year old black woman and had a bat and the cop shot her and dude got no charges or nothing done to him. How threatened were you by a 70 year old woman with a bat? Even if she swung hard how much damage can she have done?

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Originally Posted by Sick Of It All

Yeah, but sadly most of these cops go out there with the mentality that they will shoot first before they might die.

The saddest case I can recall of the top of my head is somebody called the police to check on a 70 year old black woman and had a bat and the cop shot her and dude got no charges or nothing done to him. How threatened were you by a 70 year old woman with a bat? Even if she swung hard how much damage can she have done?

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which is why they should be broken up and those that have useful skills should be hired into job that can use those skills... Captain hardass can go protect the mall.