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Originally Posted by metswon69

No I am not contradicting myself because black people don't use the word to denigrate their own race. Whites and other races use and have used it to denigrate black people. When do you hear black people using the n word as anything else but a term of endearment when describing other black people? Never. The only exception being they may talk about the word in relation to its historical context. It would be completely counterintuitive if black people were using it as a racial slur because they, in fact, are also black. Do you ever hear of white people denigrating their own race through racist language? Then if you break it down further, how about specific ethnicities? Do you ever hear Chinese people using the c- word to describe their own?

I'm torn because part of me thinks that the word itself should probably go away but I understand its not my place to make that determination. Neither is it yours. Then another part of me thinks the word has its place in certain context. Its a lot like "i dont see color" when white people try to imply that race is no longer a thing in how people are judged. It certainly is. Ignoring our differences is ignoring our history.

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bold.. some black people/leaders disagree.

what type of message does it send about equality when people say the N word is awful and racist, and then use that word as something positive with friends. that itself is confusing, and not equality.

This whole conversation really puts in perspective what this debate is about for each side doesn't it.

Black people: The US historically imported us as slaves and even after obtaining freedom we were legally put in a lower class of society, and even after we got that equality we still face extreme bias and outright racism. Our neighborhoods are underdeveloped and lack investment, as do our schools. There is mass systemic bias within our criminal justice system which in many cases intentionally targets black people and in many more unintentionally targets us which destroys our ability to wield economic power through be able to vote and incarcerates us and prevents us from obtaining better jobs or creating a nuclear family structure. There is bias in all manner of societal norms such as housing and monetary lending and job hiring.

We want to fix those problems.

White people: We can't use one word!! THIS IS SO UNFAIR.

I WANT TO SAY "******" AND NOT BE LOOKED DOWN ON FOR DOING SO!


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Originally Posted by valade16

This whole conversation really puts in perspective what this debate is about for each side doesn't it.

Black people: The US historically imported us as slaves and even after obtaining freedom we were legally put in a lower class of society, and even after we got that equality we still face extreme bias and outright racism. Our neighborhoods are underdeveloped and lack investment, as do our schools. There is mass systemic bias within our criminal justice system which in many cases intentionally targets black people and in many more unintentionally targets us which destroys our ability to wield economic power through be able to vote and incarcerates us and prevents us from obtaining better jobs or creating a nuclear family structure. There is bias in all manner of societal norms such as housing and monetary lending and job hiring.

We want to fix those problems.

White people: We can't use one word!! THIS IS SO UNFAIR.

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I think it's unfair to black people that you believe there's one word that can deeply offend them. Again, my issue isn't that this word offends black people. My issue is that this word offends you for black people. It's just your way of feeling better than black people while virtue signaling.

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Originally Posted by joeyc77

I think it's unfair to black people that you believe there's one word that can deeply offend them. Again, my issue isn't that this word offends black people. My issue is that this word offends you for black people. It's just your way of feeling better than black people while virtue signaling.

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Do you really think that black people are okay with the word when it comes from white people or any other race? How is it virtue signaling when an overwhelming amount of people in general are offended by the word when used in regard to black people? No one is going out on a limb here taking up someone else's cause. Black people have made it pretty clear they don't want people from other races using the n-word.

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Originally Posted by SpecialFNK

bold.. some black people/leaders disagree.

what type of message does it send about equality when people say the N word is awful and racist, and then use that word as something positive with friends. that itself is confusing, and not equality.

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How do they know that? They may have feelings about why the word should go away but that doesn't change the term of endearment the word has become among black people.

Its not confusing. You just have a hard time wrapping your head around a simple concept and you just need to stomp your feet at how "unfair" it is that you can't use the word while black people can. Get over it.

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Originally Posted by metswon69

Do you really think that black people are okay with the word when it comes from white people or any other race? How is it virtue signaling when an overwhelming amount of people in general are offended by the word when used in regard to black people? No one is going out on a limb here taking up someone else's cause. Black people have made it pretty clear they don't want people from other races using the n-word.

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I wouldn't assume to know how most black people feel about the word. It's something that can be negotiated between individuals. As i said, black people certainly have the right to be offended by the word and obviously the right to express that. White people need to be conscious of that potential offense regardless of whether they agree with it or not.

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Originally Posted by joeyc77

I wouldn't assume to know how most black people feel about the word. It's something that can be negotiated between individuals. As i said, black people certainly have the right to be offended by the word and obviously the right to express that. White people need to be conscious of that potential offense regardless of whether they agree with it or not.

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What have you seen that makes you think the usage of the word is negotiable? I can’t say this any simpler: DO NOT SAY THE WORD!

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Originally Posted by joeyc77

I wouldn't assume to know how most black people feel about the word. It's something that can be negotiated between individuals. As i said, black people certainly have the right to be offended by the word and obviously the right to express that. White people need to be conscious of that potential offense regardless of whether they agree with it or not.

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I would. You're not going to find data on the subject because no one is dumb enough to ask that question I presented to you and for obvious reasons. Shouldn't that tell you something? Iowa has you really living in some kind of bubble.

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Originally Posted by dbroncos78087

What have you seen that makes you think the usage of the word is negotiable? I can’t say this any simpler: DO NOT SAY THE WORD!

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Just as a side note- this isn't a word that's part of my typical vocabulary. I very rarely, if ever, have used the word in general conversation. There's no reason to. However, it's ​negotiable because you are not allowed to be offended by the word, nor are you allowed to tell anyone not to say it.

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Originally Posted by joeyc77

I think it's unfair to black people that you believe there's one word that can deeply offend them. Again, my issue isn't that this word offends black people. My issue is that this word offends you for black people. It's just your way of feeling better than black people while virtue signaling.

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Just because I believe this word offends them doesn’t mean I think it’s the only word that offends them.

Actually your issue is you don’t think this word offends black people. It does. I don’t feel better than black people, but I certainly feel better than you because at least I don’t go around calling black people the n-word and then acting like I’m the oppressed one when people get mad.

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Originally Posted by joeyc77

Just as a side note- this isn't a word that's part of my typical vocabulary. I very rarely, if ever, have used the word in general conversation. There's no reason to. However, it's ​negotiable because you are not allowed to be offended by the word, nor are you allowed to tell anyone not to say it.

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Doubtful. Your entire point is being angry you don’t get to say it as much as you want.

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Originally Posted by joeyc77

Just as a side note- this isn't a word that's part of my typical vocabulary. I very rarely, if ever, have used the word in general conversation. There's no reason to. However, it's ​negotiable because you are not allowed to be offended by the word, nor are you allowed to tell anyone not to say it.

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However many times you have used it is how many more times you’ve used it than I.

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Originally Posted by metswon69

I would. You're not going to find data on the subject because no one is dumb enough to ask that question I presented to you and for obvious reasons. Shouldn't that tell you something? Iowa has you really living in some kind of bubble.

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Sorry to burst your bubble but iowa has nothing to do with it. I formed most of my beliefs growing up in the inner city of the east coast. In my experience, black people, like most people are diverse in their beliefs. And i don't think most of them care how white people talk within context.

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Originally Posted by joeyc77

Sorry to burst your bubble but iowa has nothing to do with it. I formed most of my beliefs growing up in the inner city of the east coast. In my experience, black people, like most people are diverse in their beliefs. And i don't think most of them care how white people talk within context.

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But you also don't believe there is any systemic racism or bias, nor do you think you can stop someone from being racist despite me repeatedly showing you it has been done before (many times).

It seems the fundamental problem here is that your thoughts are wildly out of step with reality.