This is why they kneel

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Originally Posted by joeyc77

The vast majority of people agree black people should be treated equally. Furthermore, statistically they are treated equal.

Black people make up roughly half (50%) of the interactions with police. Perhaps some of that is due to bigotry/racism but I’d contest, the police would rather not do paperwork than interact with a black person due to their bigotry/racism. Nevertheless, black people make up 50% of the overall interactions with police. However, the only make up 24% of the deaths by police. If anything, they are under represented compared to their interactions with police. This is also true of unarmed/unjustified deaths/murders by police.

This doesn’t change how I feel about George Floyd. It was horrible. I believe a bad cop, who was a bad cop to both black and white people equally according to his record, didn’t realize or didn’t care to realize the pressure he was applying would result in Floyd’s death. I’m not sure which is worse. I agree, this probably happens too often to all races.

The only difference between black people killed by police and white people killed by police is the former gets more news coverage and therefore creates an outrage.

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If I spend 90% of my time patrolling in neighborhood A and 10% patrolling in neighborhood B, there is likely to be a huge disparity of incident reports between the two regardless of who lives or works in those neighborhoods.

Black "increased crime" rates dont actually indicate increased crime, they indicate increased ARRESTS and REPORTS.

Black on black crime IS very prevalent. But so is asian on asian, white on white, indian and indian, etc. Human populations are mostly ghettoized so people of one background are usually surrounded by other people of a similar background.

Thus they are always the 1st most common target of crime as they represent the huge majority of the people they come across. Since this applies to ALL people, it is irrelevant to the discussion of ethnicity-specific crime.

Good sources to tell that argument are racial density studies, which show that people of one ethnicity or another are SURROUNDED by majority of their same type.

Many communities dont self-report crime (Illegals, Native Americans, suburban Whites) for various reasons, and thus REPORTS arent an accurate indicator of actual crime numbers.

ARREST rates are similarly flawed, as they dont compare against patrol frequency.

Trying to break down crime by race is flawed regardless as it's not actually race you're tracking. Crime in what few WEALTHY Black areas there are is extremely low. Same thing with wealthy white or asian areas. What your opponent is actually measuring without realizing is crime rates in impoverished areas. Note that crime rate in extremely impoverished white areas is very high too.

Desperate people do desperate things. If we just made our country's systems a little less brutal to the poor and downtrodden a TON of these sort of issues would go away or be severely reduced.



I'll continue to repeat myself I guess lol

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Originally Posted by joeyc77

Mainly because the news media feeds the nonsense. It’s summer of the shark.

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Well they haven’t just been saying it right now. Why were they saying it last summer? Or the summer before? Or before? We’re those all summers of the shark?

As for the news media. Most Black people will tell you of personal experiences, are you saying the media is responsible for their first hand accounts?

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Originally Posted by blams

If I spend 90% of my time patrolling in neighborhood A and 10% patrolling in neighborhood B, there is likely to be a huge disparity of incident reports between the two regardless of who lives or works in those neighborhoods.

Black "increased crime" rates dont actually indicate increased crime, they indicate increased ARRESTS and REPORTS.

Black on black crime IS very prevalent. But so is asian on asian, white on white, indian and indian, etc. Human populations are mostly ghettoized so people of one background are usually surrounded by other people of a similar background.

Thus they are always the 1st most common target of crime as they represent the huge majority of the people they come across. Since this applies to ALL people, it is irrelevant to the discussion of ethnicity-specific crime.

Good sources to tell that argument are racial density studies, which show that people of one ethnicity or another are SURROUNDED by majority of their same type.

Many communities dont self-report crime (Illegals, Native Americans, suburban Whites) for various reasons, and thus REPORTS arent an accurate indicator of actual crime numbers.

ARREST rates are similarly flawed, as they dont compare against patrol frequency.

Trying to break down crime by race is flawed regardless as it's not actually race you're tracking. Crime in what few WEALTHY Black areas there are is extremely low. Same thing with wealthy white or asian areas. What your opponent is actually measuring without realizing is crime rates in impoverished areas. Note that crime rate in extremely impoverished white areas is very high too.

Desperate people do desperate things. If we just made our country's systems a little less brutal to the poor and downtrodden a TON of these sort of issues would go away or be severely reduced.



I'll continue to repeat myself I guess lol

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Do you know anything about comparative stats for poor communities inhabited by different races, preferably ones with similar population density?


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Originally Posted by valade16

Well they haven’t just been saying it right now. Why were they saying it last summer? Or the summer before? Or before? We’re those all summers of the shark?

As for the news media. Most Black people will tell you of personal experiences, are you saying the media is responsible for their first hand accounts?

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Obviously what other explanation could there be?


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Originally Posted by joeyc77

Do people still say “Boston strong” regularly? If so, that’s stupid. Also, it’s stating the city it happened in. If we are comparing cities to people , it would be more accurate to say “George Floyd’s life mattered.” Of which, most people agree. Furthermore, most people don’t believe black lives don’t matter. It’s seems redundant to say.

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No we are comparing individually identifying problems vs blanket statements. Someone had another example earlier: if someone said they are raising money for breast cancer, would you tell them all cancers matter?

When conservatives said we have to stop radical Islamic terrorism, why weren’t you advocating that all terrorism matters and to stop singling out Islamic terror.

In short, why is this the only time you've done this?

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Originally Posted by valade16

All Lives Matter was created specifically to counter Black Lives Matter. People only started using it after Black Lives Matter to show opposition.

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some, maybe...most I know mean it...literally, period

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Originally Posted by blams

If I spend 90% of my time patrolling in neighborhood A and 10% patrolling in neighborhood B, there is likely to be a huge disparity of incident reports between the two regardless of who lives or works in those neighborhoods.

Black "increased crime" rates dont actually indicate increased crime, they indicate increased ARRESTS and REPORTS.

Black on black crime IS very prevalent. But so is asian on asian, white on white, indian and indian, etc. Human populations are mostly ghettoized so people of one background are usually surrounded by other people of a similar background.

Thus they are always the 1st most common target of crime as they represent the huge majority of the people they come across. Since this applies to ALL people, it is irrelevant to the discussion of ethnicity-specific crime.

Good sources to tell that argument are racial density studies, which show that people of one ethnicity or another are SURROUNDED by majority of their same type.

Many communities dont self-report crime (Illegals, Native Americans, suburban Whites) for various reasons, and thus REPORTS arent an accurate indicator of actual crime numbers.

ARREST rates are similarly flawed, as they dont compare against patrol frequency.

Trying to break down crime by race is flawed regardless as it's not actually race you're tracking. Crime in what few WEALTHY Black areas there are is extremely low. Same thing with wealthy white or asian areas. What your opponent is actually measuring without realizing is crime rates in impoverished areas. Note that crime rate in extremely impoverished white areas is very high too.

Desperate people do desperate things. If we just made our country's systems a little less brutal to the poor and downtrodden a TON of these sort of issues would go away or be severely reduced.



I'll continue to repeat myself I guess lol

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I agree that most people commit crimes against their own race. This is true of black, white, Asian, whatever. However, how can you claim the increased crime rate is simply do to increased arrest rates? Are you claiming black victims don’t exist? This seems racist to me...

I also agree that wealth/finances play a roll-more so than race. Are wealthy black people treated unequal compared to poor white people?

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Originally Posted by joeyc77

It’s not “fake news.” George Floyd was wrongfully killed by police. It’s how the news portrays this on the macro level. As if, this only happens to black people. They do this because they don’t report, at least on the national level, when this happens to white people.

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Racism is a Jedi mind trick?


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Originally Posted by SiteWolf

some, maybe...most I know mean it...literally, period

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Of course they mean it, I’m not questioning that sentiment. I’m saying they say ALM because they do not want to say BLM, or they want to oppose BLM.

It’s why it’s a complete rip-off of the saying. It’d be like me saying “Make America Peaceful Again” doesn’t mean I’m saying that to counter Trump. C’mon, that’s exactly why anyone uses a variation of the MAGA phrase.

If it wasn’t a counter, it wouldn’t have been a direct rip-off if the phrasing.

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Originally Posted by valade16

Whatever word you want to use, it was done to counter the BLM movement. It is disingenuous. If you only started saying All Lives Matter in response to Black Lives Matter, it’s because you didn’t want to say Black Lives Matter.

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but its not in response to, it's literally more inclusive...you know, as in including Latinos, natives, etc etc...not just Whites.....do desired changes in the system, etc only include blacks? or all

saying all negates blacks...negates other races

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Originally Posted by valade16

Well they haven’t just been saying it right now. Why were they saying it last summer? Or the summer before? Or before? We’re those all summers of the shark?

As for the news media. Most Black people will tell you of personal experiences, are you saying the media is responsible for their first hand accounts?

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Some people just refuse to look at reality and stick their head in the sand.

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Originally Posted by valade16

No we are comparing individually identifying problems vs blanket statements. Someone had another example earlier: if someone said they are raising money for breast cancer, would you tell them all cancers matter?

When conservatives said we have to stop radical Islamic terrorism, why weren’t you advocating that all terrorism matters and to stop singling out Islamic terror.

In short, why is this the only time you've done this?

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All terrorism does matter. If someone said, “we need to stop radical Islamic terrorism” and someone else responded “we need to stop Irish terrorism as well.” I seriously doubt the parties would disagree. It only heightens the issue. You don’t think law enforcement focuses on all sorts of terrorism?

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Racism is a Jedi mind trick?


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Systemic racism is a Jedi mind trick.

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Of course they mean it, I’m not questioning that sentiment. I’m saying they say ALM because they do not want to say BLM, or they want to oppose BLM.

It’s why it’s a complete rip-off of the saying. It’d be like me saying “Make America Peaceful Again” doesn’t mean I’m saying that to counter Trump. C’mon, that’s exactly why anyone uses a variation of the MAGA phrase.

If it wasn’t a counter, it wouldn’t have been a direct rip-off if the phrasing.

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my view is simply, as Rodney King said...'can't we all just get along?' ...if ppl feel like it's. a counter, or is trying to lessen BLM, so be it...I'm. sure some DO say alm for that reason

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Originally Posted by SiteWolf

but its not in response to, it's literally more inclusive...you know, as in including Latinos, natives, etc etc...not just Whites.....do desired changes in the system, etc only include blacks? or all saying all negates blacks...negates other races

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So you’re telling me all these conservatives are saying ALM instead of BLM to be PC? Seems unlikely.

I get you think it’s trying to be inclusive, but it was created in direct response to Black Lives Matter. What’s even funnier is the same people who say All Lives Matter frequently say Blue Lives Matter. Well if they don’t say Black Lives Matter because it’s not inclusive enough, why do they say Blue Lives Matter? Shouldn’t they be just as offended at Blue Lives Matter as they are at Black Lives Matter?