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Originally Posted by dbroncsinmo
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There is no greater sign someone is wrong than you saying they are right.Quote:
Originally Posted by dbroncsinmo
https://www.pnas.org/content/116/34/16793Quote:
Originally Posted by Brewersfan255
Those are significantly higher numbers than those of white men. You seriously don't have a clue.Quote:
Police violence is a leading cause of death for young men in the United States. Over the life course, about 1 in every 1,000 black men can expect to be killed by police. Risk of being killed by police peaks between the ages of 20 y and 35 y for men and women and for all racial and ethnic groups. Black women and men and American Indian and Alaska Native women and men are significantly more likely than white women and men to be killed by police. Latino men are also more likely to be killed by police than are white men.
You clearly don’t have a clue when you have a group that’s going to be encountered more by police (because they commit more of the violent crimes so therefore you’re going to encounter them more) you’re going to statistically have more killingsQuote:
Originally Posted by metswon69
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Yeah except for the fact as Valade said they are statistically more likely to have encounters with cops even if all other factors are equal. What do you think is the reason for that? Could it have to do with predispositions and stereotypes about race? Why do you think programs like stop and frisk have been eradicated? I know that's hard for your feeble brain to pick up on though.Quote:
Originally Posted by Brewersfan255
White people are more likely to use drugs and have them on them, yet black people are overwhelmingly more likely to be stopped for drug suspicion and drug-related crimes. Wonder why?Quote:
Originally Posted by metswon69
If you look at the statistics, more white people are killed by cops than blacks.Quote:
Originally Posted by metswon69
The confrontation the movement came from, Michael Brown v. Ferguson Missouri PD, showed the faults of the movement. Michael Brown was harassing people all evening of his fatal confrontation. He was, 1:1 with an officer that was by far and away smaller and less physically impressive than he was. As I recall the incident, it started out pretty peacefully. The officer asked him to stop and answer some questions, without calling for backup. Michael Brown was not armed, and the officer had not drawn his revolver. Michael got physical with the officer and attempted to take the officer's side-arm out of it's holster. The officer was able to disengage and warned him to get on the ground. He did not comply and charged the officer. It was only at this time that the officer shot him.
Do I have the incident correct?
You appear to be conflating relative versus absolute statistics. In absolute number, there are more people killed by cops. But when you look at the statistics in a relative sense (meaning that you normalize the numbers for the difference in population), you will see that more black people per capita are killed by cops.Quote:
Originally Posted by catman
Without normalizing statistics, they are meaningless.
The first part ignores the fact that white people are overwhelmingly more of the population than blacks. The ratio of blacks killed by police is disproportionate.Quote:
Originally Posted by catman
Second, you talk about the cop being "smaller and less physically impressive," but neglect to mention that he was in a vehicle.
Third, Wilson called for backup before he even spoke to them.
Also the grand jury process was an absolute farce, and is a large part of the reason McCulloch is a former prosecutor now.
This is a proper response by the public to a political problem. If there is enough public pressure on a DA's office, things will change.
And if you look at statistics, blacks commit more crimes, per capita than any other race does.Quote:
Originally Posted by dbroncos78087
I am not, in any way, saying that there are not atrocities committed against blacks by police officers, but I have heard from some that cops are out "hunting" blacks, which is not a true statement.
Yeah, totally not true.Quote:
Originally Posted by catman
Wonder where they'd get a crazy idea like that from.
Probably just made it up out of thin air, I guess.
https://news.yale.edu/2020/10/27/rac...d-over-5-yearsQuote:
Originally Posted by catman
If you don't think that number is problematic, I don't know what to tell you. The higher number of encounters with cops and subsequent violence also comes from the significant amount of racial profiling that is done. Why are white armed perpetrators seeing a decrease in being killed by cops btw while there have been no changes and in some cases, increases with those deaths among minorities?Quote:
In an analysis of 4,653 fatal shootings for which information about both race and age were available, the researchers found a small but statistically significant decline in white deaths (about 1%) but no significant change in deaths for BIPOC. There were 5,367 fatal police shootings during that five-year period, according to the Post’s database. In the case of armed victims, Native Americans were killed by police at a rate three times that of white people (77 total killed). Black people were killed at 2.6 times the rate of white people (1,265 total killed); and Hispanics were killed at nearly 1.3 times the rate of white people (889 total killed). Among unarmed victims, Black people were killed at three times the rate (218 total killed), and Hispanics at 1.45 times the rate of white people (146 total killed).
“Those killed by police on average are young people — the average age for all victims is 34,” Boatright said. “For Black people, the average age is 30.” For Hispanics killed, the average age is 33; for Native Americans, 31; and for white people, 38.
Oh, now you want to use per capita stats! :laugh2:Quote:
Originally Posted by catman
All anyone needs to look at is the Stop & Frisk program in NYC to know that black and Hispanic men were the main targets and in only a fraction of cases was anything illegal found. It didn't change the fact that an overwhelming majority of people who were thought to be suspicious were that of darker skin.Quote:
Originally Posted by natepro
Police here in STL beat a black cop that was undercover during one of the protests here, not realizing he was one of their own undercover. I'm sure that was totally a one time incident and no one else innocent ended up in that position though.Quote:
Originally Posted by metswon69