This is why they kneel

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Originally Posted by fingerbang

I'm in West Palm. I love the gulf though. My mom had a place in Destin in the "redneck riviera". It's paradise. Nicest people on the planet. Very little industry there unfortunately. I'd retire there.

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I had a great time. Probably the best cities I’ve visited that I’d consider moving to are San Diego and San Antonio. I absolutely hated NYC when I visited. Too many people, too noisy, too fast paced, not enough nature.

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Originally Posted by joeyc77

How am I helping myself? I’m by no means wealthy nor do I own a company. Lol.

I actually believe you don’t understand the harm you are advocating for poor people.

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Nah, he's right. Your posts have become absolute parody at this point.

I generally just kinda zoom past many of these long-winded conversations you and valade often seem to get in to but this one was just too ****ing bonkers to ignore. Honestly, at this point I don't even remember how this conversation started and how it has jumped from "racists can't be successful" to "$1 : $25,000 = $7.25 : $15.00" to "poor people becoming a little less poor is harmful to poor people" but this is kooky af, man.

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Originally Posted by valade16

I had a great time. Probably the best cities I’ve visited that I’d consider moving to are San Diego and San Antonio. I absolutely hated NYC when I visited. Too many people, too noisy, too fast paced, not enough nature.

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NYC is amazing but when you can't do **** there it's completely worthless. My buddies got pissed when I moved but I barely saw anyone over the past four months or however long. It's all location.

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Originally Posted by fingerbang

NYC is amazing but when you can't do **** there it's completely worthless. My buddies got pissed when I moved but I barely saw anyone over the past four months or however long. It's all location.

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I visited Manhattan for my wife’s friends Game of Thrones themed wedding (which seems like the worst possible theme given the weddings in the show lol). We did go up to Staten Island, which was much more serene and I enjoyed that a lot.

Never been to Miami/Palm Beach, but I’ve heard it’s awesome.

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Originally Posted by joeyc77

So what you have here is Atwater explaining why race in the south is no longer the main issue and has been replaced by other issues (Economy and anti communism/strong foreign Policy) by a voter who use to vote on racist views. He says throughout that interview that Reagan didn’t need a racist southern strategy because essentially the south was changing. You can read the full interview here:

https://www.powerlineblog.com/archiv...really-say.php

The quote in your clip was prompted by a question regarding Reagan getting to the racist part of the south.

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No what you have is Atwater explaining how you can achieve the same goal by other means which hide the racial element of the attack.

Wether he pushed for that in Reagan's campaign is irrelevant. He explained systemic racism to you. He explained tactics designed to employ systemic racism.

I am not showing you this to say you are right or wrong about anything, I am showing it so you may better understand the manner in which systemic racism is carried out. So far you have shown poor understanding of this.

I actually agree with his point that race is naturally being taken out of the equation, but that is a result of mixing. That will naturally happen, it will simply happen much slower with systemic racism in effect.

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Originally Posted by fingerbang

It's called the price of living. You can buy a house in San Fran that looks identical to a house in North Carolina and one costs 2 million and one costs 150k. Why is that?

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Has anyone on this board said that the cost of living is the same everywhere?

How does the cost living being higher in cities like nYc or San Fran make 7.25 a good basement wage in other areas? It seems irrelevant.



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Originally Posted by joeyc77

In order to maintain, many small businesses would need to pass these additional costs onto their customers or clients. Whether or not they can maintain or flourish would depend on the consumers willingness to pay higher prices. This is just reality and basic economics.

Furthermore, it doesn’t address corporations willingness to forego minimum wage employees at $15 an hr for technological advances. This is happening now and the min wage is half that. You don’t think it would happen at $15? You’re clueless.

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I’m clueless but I live in a place that did it successfully. And not just one region. For the entire province. 10m people. There are examples of it happening and working but you just refuse to accept it.

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No what you have is Atwater explaining how you can achieve the same goal by other means which hide the racial element of the attack.

Wether he pushed for that in Reagan's campaign is irrelevant. He explained systemic racism to you. He explained tactics designed to employ systemic racism.

I am not showing you this to say you are right or wrong about anything, I am showing it so you may better understand the manner in which systemic racism is carried out. So far you have shown poor understanding of this.

I actually agree with his point that race is naturally being taken out of the equation, but that is a result of mixing. That will naturally happen, it will simply happen much slower with systemic racism in effect.

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This is a situation of context. I certainly understand your point and how you could take Atwater’s words that way, out of context. I have provided the full context from the interview which was sort of a “crossfire” chat between two opposing views and an interviewer. Since you evidently didn’t bother to read the full context, I’ll provide it here. The question was posed prior to Atwater’s response was:

“ Q: But might there–I’m not saying that he does this consciously–but the fact is that he does get to the Wallace voter, and to the racist side of the Wallace voter, by doing away with legal services, by doing away with, cutting down on food stamps–”

In other words, are these issues that Reagan stands for a dog whistle for the Wallace (racist voter)? Atwater’s response is based on his premise the entire interview which was the voter in the south has changed in the past 20-30 years. That saying “n word, n word, n word” once appealed to them but now there are more important issues for them and perhaps subconsciously for those voters, issues like cutting food stamps appeal to them on a racist side but that’s not the intention of the Republican Party. The Republican Party are just fiscally responsible in economics and such. This is their direct appeal to the racist south, along with some other key issues like strong foreign policy/military and anti communism. Earlier in the interview, Atwater talks about his generation being the first in the south who are not prejudiced. I would post that quote as well but when I go back to that site, I lose what I’ve already posted here. You’re welcome to go and check it out though. I’m sure you won’t change your mind though because you heard an out of context clip from a hack English comedian.

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Originally Posted by valade16

Do I support what those protesters did? Absolutely not.

Do I still support BLM? Yes I do.

Do you feel the same way? Yes or no?

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I've already said what I support and that hasn't changed.

what you said, supports what I have said. you can support Black Lives Matter but not support what these "protesters" did. I feel the same way.

there was another shooting. do people want to say this was justified or not?


this is on video, coming at police with a knife.

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I've already said what I support and that hasn't changed.

what you said, supports what I have said. you can support Black Lives Matter but not support what these "protesters" did. I feel the same way.

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So you support Black Lives Matter?

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Originally Posted by joeyc77

This is a situation of context. I certainly understand your point and how you could take Atwater’s words that way, out of context. I have provided the full context from the interview which was sort of a “crossfire” chat between two opposing views and an interviewer. Since you evidently didn’t bother to read the full context, I’ll provide it here. The question was posed prior to Atwater’s response was:

“ Q: But might there–I’m not saying that he does this consciously–but the fact is that he does get to the Wallace voter, and to the racist side of the Wallace voter, by doing away with legal services, by doing away with, cutting down on food stamps–”

In other words, are these issues that Reagan stands for a dog whistle for the Wallace (racist voter)? Atwater’s response is based on his premise the entire interview which was the voter in the south has changed in the past 20-30 years. That saying “n word, n word, n word” once appealed to them but now there are more important issues for them and

perhaps subconsciously for those voters, issues like cutting food stamps appeal to them on a racist side

but that’s not the intention of the Republican Party. The Republican Party are just fiscally responsible in economics and such. This is their direct appeal to the racist south, along with some other key issues like strong foreign policy/military and anti communism. Earlier in the interview, Atwater talks about his generation being the first in the south who are not prejudiced. I would post that quote as well but when I go back to that site, I lose what I’ve already posted here. You’re welcome to go and check it out though. I’m sure you won’t change your mind though because you heard an out of context clip from a hack English comedian.

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The reason I wont change my mind is because of the part of your post I separated out above. That is him talking about systemic racism.

"perhaps subconsciously for those voters, issues like cutting food stamps appeal to them on a racist side "


He follows that by saying it may not be the reoublican parties intent, but intent doesnt matter when it comes to systemic racism, it's not a defining characteristic.

But I'm sure you wont mind cuz you know...lol.

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The reason I wont change my mind is because of the part of your post I separated out above. That is him talking about systemic racism.

"perhaps subconsciously for those voters, issues like cutting food stamps appeal to them on a racist side "


He follows that by saying it may not be the reoublican parties intent, but intent doesnt matter when it comes to systemic racism, it's not a defining characteristic.

But I'm sure you wont mind cuz you know...lol.

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You cannot determine or dictate what’s in people’s minds or thoughts is what he is saying. He’s not explaining systemic racism. He’s also saying that similarly conservatives viewpoints on issues like cutting programs which go primarily to black people are determined to be racist by the other side when in fact, they are just fiscally conservative, right or wrong.

Within the context of this interview he’s actually denying “systemic racism” in that he claims the Republicans did not have a southern strategy in 1980 and much of their platform is misunderstood, either by racists or by liberals claiming it to be racism.

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Originally Posted by valade16

So you support Black Lives Matter?

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I don’t support the group BLM. Have you actually read their site and you 100% agree with it? Are you sure?

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Originally Posted by joeyc77

I don’t support the group BLM. Have you actually read their site and you 100% agree with it? Are you sure?

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don't do it!
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