This is why they kneel

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Originally Posted by joeyc77

I feel like teachers are about at the end of their usefulness given the technological advances we’ve had over the past 20 years or so. Therefore I think $40,000 starting salary is great in the field, especially considering the benefits and perks, like tenure, that accompany the job.

I understand the need and use unions once had in this country, especially in regards to corporations. But they too have run out their usefulness, especially in regards to the public sector. Their entire platform is based on a “strength in numbers/no person left behind” mentality. They support their weakest members to the fullest. This is not a mentality which is beneficial to civilians. If we are not going to change and abolish the union culture in public sectors, than we have no right to complain about the ineffectiveness of teachers or police. We allow it.

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Are you purposing robot teachers?


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Originally Posted by ewing

Are purposing robot teachers?


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That is pretty rad. I'm for it.

they would just start a robot teacher union and Joey would still be upset.

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Originally Posted by nastynice

No, banning muslims from america ain't got **** to do with civil rights.

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I agree. Republicans have definitely focused more on safety since 9-11. I believe the Muslim ban, like stop and frisk, were a step too far in the name of safety. You see those things as racist/prejudice. I see them as a strict measure to protect people. Sort of like forcing everyone to wear a mask.

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I’m proposing what’s happening now- long distance learning with parents involvement in their child’s education. Kids can get activity outside of school.

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Originally Posted by WES445

So minorities not supporting republicans , who supported us so well during those forty-some years, is because....?

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For the past 40-50 years, blacks have supported democrats in the inner cities by a large majority. How has that worked out for black people? Are cities better or worse now than in the 60s? How come democrat philosophy hasn’t worked out for black people? Because they have replaced black fathers with the government. They have made black women rely on the government.

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Originally Posted by joeyc77

For the past 40-50 years, blacks have supported democrats in the inner cities by a large majority. How has that worked out for black people? Are cities better or worse now than in the 60s? How come democrat philosophy hasn’t worked out for black people? Because they have replaced black fathers with the government. They have made black women rely on the government.

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Joey, this is getting old. We have been here numerous times before. The government couldn't stop the drugs from crossing the border into these neighborhoods and increasing the power of gangs with wealth that it brought, a massive dismantling of our industrial centers, republicans drive to cut government that has affected education, social services mental health in these communities, wages not keeping up with the cost of living, the rise of mega-stores that killed black business as it did small-town business, and others that I may have left out.

To just say it is the democrat fault that blacks are doing poorly is a gross overstatement and trying to absolve the republicans for the things they did that have contributed to the downfall of those communities is being disingenuous.

I blame both parties for the social conditions that all Americans have suffered from. You keep thinking you know more about this when I lived the changes that occured in these neighborhood and protested several of the cuts that the federal government made that brought us here, and yes federal governments led by republcian administration.

Please try to evolve past old republican talking points that existed when Newt was around.

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Originally Posted by joeyc77

I’m proposing what’s happening now- long distance learning with parents involvement in their child’s education. Kids can get activity outside of school.

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No, the hand-on approach of teaching can't be oversold, especially with kids with special needs. Having asperger I know this for a fact because it help me greatly. Add on kids from bad homes as well. Nothing beat the intimacy of teaching. That personal touch you can only get in person. Teachers had guided my hands in printing letters and moving a paintbrush. That personal contact is invaluable. In a time when we are cocooning ourselves with devices it is needed more.

Plus , many of the poor can't afford computers or internet isn't available in some rural areas.

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Originally Posted by WES445

they would just start a robot teacher union and Joey would still be upset.

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Haha.

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Originally Posted by SpecialFNK

that's not racist nastynice, that is common sense. just because someone is a minority doesn't make them the victim, people should want details about what happened, and in the name you dropped the details were that the other person used self defense. I know people adamantly did not like that, but that was the reality.

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What's common sense is that trayvon martin being black was mostly likely a major factor in why he died. There were other factors, such as wearing a hoodie, being on foot, etc, but one factor was being black and most of us dont feel like that's the society we want to live in.

This is a common theme in America and the if anyone asks for statistics to back that up I'm sorry but all I can do is laugh at how clueless you are. Being with black friends in the presence of law enforcement is completely different than being with white friends in the presence of law enforcement. Its nothing for anyone to feel guilty about, it's just the reality of America that the most clueless people are the most vocal about. Cue mainstream right wing media.

Regardless, objective proof that this reality is recognized by both sides is when the right wingers justify such difference in approach by citing higher crime rates amongst blacks in order to make the argument that it is justified to approach blacks as such. Do you recognize this proof in this thread?

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Originally Posted by joeyc77

I agree. Republicans have definitely focused more on safety since 9-11. I believe the Muslim ban, like stop and frisk, were a step too far in the name of safety. You see those things as racist/prejudice. I see them as a strict measure to protect people. Sort of like forcing everyone to wear a mask.

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I dont "see it" as prejudice, it is by definition prejudice. If you dont "see it" as prejudice then you need to brush up on your english.



Forcing everyone to wear a mask is a matter of physically stopping the spread of a virus. They did not relegate protocol to one specific race. If trump said every Chinese person has to wear a mask, but that applies to Chinese only, then yes indeed your analogy would be quite accurate.

You see it as a strict measure to protect people because you are supporting this approach only towards others. You would never support this approach towards your own group.

You would never support whites only being banned from a particular activity. You would never support Christians only being banned from a particular activity.

Yet you seem unaware of something so blatant and obvious.

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Originally Posted by WES445

Joey, this is getting old. We have been here numerous times before. The government couldn't stop the drugs from crossing the border into these neighborhoods and increasing the power of gangs with wealth that it brought, a massive dismantling of our industrial centers, republicans drive to cut government that has affected education, social services mental health in these communities, wages not keeping up with the cost of living, the rise of mega-stores that killed black business as it did small-town business, and others that I may have left out.

To just say it is the democrat fault that blacks are doing poorly is a gross overstatement and trying to absolve the republicans for the things they did that have contributed to the downfall of those communities is being disingenuous.

I blame both parties for the social conditions that all Americans have suffered from. You keep thinking you know more about this when I lived the changes that occured in these neighborhood and protested several of the cuts that the federal government made that brought us here, and yes federal governments led by republcian administration.

Please try to evolve past old republican talking points that existed when Newt was around.

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Why do you consistently act as if your age somehow gives you more insight than me? For starters, while you may be a little older, you’re not that much older than me. I also grew up in an area that was overrun with drugs and murder. And I grew up there in the 80s/90s when hoods were at the hoodiest. But that’s an argument from authority. It’s like saying, “I went to college so I know _____ compared to someone who didn’t go to college.”

I agree with you about drugs being brought across the border. We really need a structure there to deter people from entering the country illegally and bringing in said drugs. Perhaps, a candidate will run on that some day.

The rest of your argument is typical liberal mumbo jumbo- throw more money at the problem. The problem with education is not money. The problem is an inability of school systems to reprimand and/or fire bad teachers because of teachers unions.

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Originally Posted by nastynice

I dont "see it" as prejudice, it is by definition prejudice. If you dont "see it" as prejudice then you need to brush up on your english.



Forcing everyone to wear a mask is a matter of physically stopping the spread of a virus. They did not relegate protocol to one specific race. If trump said every Chinese person has to wear a mask, but that applies to Chinese only, then yes indeed your analogy would be quite accurate.

You see it as a strict measure to protect people because you are supporting this approach only towards others. You would never support this approach towards your own group.

You would never support whites only being banned from a particular activity. You would never support Christians only being banned from a particular activity.

Yet you seem unaware of something so blatant and obvious.

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When the corona virus first started to make headway (National news), trump banned flights from China. He was called racist for this. He was also correct. The Muslim ban, once it went through the ringer was a ban on I believe 7-8 countries. It was the same countries that jimmy carter proposed a ban on when he was president. In the same thought process, these Muslim countries have carriers of a virus as well in radical Islam. At least, that’s the thought process.

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Originally Posted by joeyc77

Why do you consistently act as if your age somehow gives you more insight than me? For starters, while you may be a little older, you’re not that much older than me. I also grew up in an area that was overrun with drugs and murder. And I grew up there in the 80s/90s when hoods were at the hoodiest. But that’s an argument from authority. It’s like saying, “I went to college so I know _____ compared to someone who didn’t go to college.”

I agree with you about drugs being brought across the border. We really need a structure there to deter people from entering the country illegally and bringing in said drugs. Perhaps, a candidate will run on that some day.

The rest of your argument is typical liberal mumbo jumbo- throw more money at the problem. The problem with education is not money. The problem is an inability of school systems to reprimand and/or fire bad teachers because of teachers unions.

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Why do you consistently act as if your age somehow gives you more insight than me? For starters, while you may be a little older, you’re not that much older than me. I also grew up in an area that was overrun with drugs and murder. And I grew up there in the 80s/90s when hoods were at the hoodiest. But that’s an argument from authority. It’s like saying, “I went to college so I know _____ compared to someone who didn’t go to college.

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No it is not like some college thing and age gives me a perspective you don't have. I know what it was like before the drugs flooded those communities you only seen the aftermath. I seen every brick that was removed that destablizes those community afterwards. You didn't notice a damn thing but what the republican party told you about the disintegration of those communities. You still use Black on Black crime instead of Black gangs violence. I grew up during the sixties and seventies when those communities had hope and now it has mostly anger and disillusionment. Yeah, more liberal bs you think [/QUOTE]

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I agree with you about drugs being brought across the border. We really need a structure there to deter people from entering the country illegally and bringing in said drugs. Perhaps, a candidate will run on that some day.

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Quick acting like you care about that with this whimsical bs, that one day a candidate will run on that. It's being forty years, dude. It ain't going to happen. Nobody is going to raise up out of the ether and solve this problem.You are smart enough to now that so spare me this nonsense. [QUOTE]

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The rest of your argument is typical liberal mumbo jumbo- throw more money at the problem. The problem with education is not money. The problem is the inability of school systems to reprimand and/or fire bad teachers because of teachers unions.

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Now that the Joey who down plays other views that counters his own that republican's crap don't stink and a black/liberal viewpoint is mumbo jumbo. Pure tribalism.

throw more money at the problem? The problem is the money was removed from these social service thus crippling them. How about we remove money from the police and defense program what would happen? I am going to assume you aren't going to be obstue about it and answer they wouldn't be able to do their jobs as well. It same damn thing when you remove money from education and social services. that is just common sense with no mumbo jumbo ideology attach to it.