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The blue line has been weakening for years. Cameras are totally destructive to it. Police in uniform who don't have cameras rolling should be assumed at fault when accused by the public.Quote:
Originally Posted by Crovash
This case is literally open and shut case. How dumb are these cops?
It is amazing here how so many know what I am thinking. Some here know what I did 50 years ago. Some knew what I was like in high schools.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pierzynski4Prez
It's like the psychic hotline.
To the point………
Who here is really the one that is close minded???
I said several time that the police were wrong and should be fired. Go to jail?…I'm OK with that too.
I merely pointed out (and fairly well) that there is more to this than we know. Did you read any of what I wrote???
Does anyone else here think that there are details that we do not yet know???? And that none of those details will exonerate the police????
And…These police are wrong and should be fired.
Do you believe what this guy said that I was "looking for anything here to jump on that shows this guy got what was coming to him?"Quote:
Originally Posted by valade16
Do you think that that is what I was trying to point out???
Honest answer would be appreciated.
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Originally Posted by Sluggo1
And...Quote:
Originally Posted by joeyc77
Fair enough, but until very recently almost all of those camera shots came from the public, and while cameras have improved the situation (for their part, the police had to get shamed into using them), it still has not broken the code.Quote:
Originally Posted by Scoots
And what????Quote:
Originally Posted by Crovash
I apologize for my soap box.
Congress can set the tone by no longer locking up non-violent criminals. By legalizing and decriminalizing drugs. By getting rid of mandatory minimums. By getting rid of 3 strikes. By making prison about rehabilitation not about making money and punishment. By reducing the size of police forces. By not allowing money collected by police actions (including fines) to be used by the government at all ... it can go to victims or to community services programs, or donate it to charities.
Police should be paid more, it should take a lot more training before they are on the street, they should be trained to better handle confrontations without extreme force.
I know several cops and they are for the things above. They are tired of having their moment to moment job performance graded based on tickets and arrests. They are tired of seeing drug users who are already suffering abused and used by the system that keeps them down. 1 of my cop friends died recently ... he was definitely borderline as a cop, he was a DEA undercover agent and it ruined his health. As a person he was a really nice guy, super helpful to the community, started a house painting business and hired only ex-cons. He was an emotional wreck from what he'd seen and done and the drugs he got addicted to in the line. He was an alcoholic and I'd see him driving drunk a few times a year, chase him down to stop him. He'd always end up crying and apologizing and swearing he was going to stop drinking. I spent years working with drug users trying to help them through the system and helping them get clean and get to their court dates, and get jobs, places to live, etc. I've seen literally dozens die from drugs, or from the damage they did to their bodies.
I can say with total conviction that the VAST majority of cops are really good people who actually feel a drive to be civic leaders and to take care of the community they work for despite being treated like **** by the public on a regular basis. But they are made of humans and some of them are going to be **** humans, and some of them the job is going to wear them down until they are not capable of doing the job anymore ... we don't really have any system to get them out of the job when they get there. We've probably all had teachers who were clearly over it and should clearly move on and do something else because they just don't like the students anymore and have become bad at their job ... we can't get rid of them because of tenure. The blue line promotes the cops who hate the public or they leave them working and **** like this is the result.
**** me, at least this one should be a very easy trial and conviction.
The officer should be killed, point blank.Quote:
Originally Posted by Scoots
Put him in the chair, flip the switch, case closed. If I did that on camera that's what would happen to me.
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The cops I know love the cameras. One was telling me the other day it saved his marriage. A woman filed a complaint that he had been having an affair with her and when she wanted to break it off he'd beaten her. Because he had GPS and camera footage from his own front door and back to his front door for every day for several weeks his boss was quick to dismiss the complaint and once the wife saw the only footage with the woman (she was nuts) she let it go.Quote:
Originally Posted by Crovash
In Oakland they were worried about the cameras because they would get in questionable situations where they would let people off for drug paraphernalia and things like that, but once the captain said the tapes would never be used to punish cops for being lenient they started to like them.
The most common complaint was about GPS because some captains started requiring the cops to stay under the speed limit including on their way to and from work, and because some started requiring the cops stay in their duty area for lunch.
1. No.Quote:
Originally Posted by nastynice
2. There has to be a trial. The rest need to learn that they will be found guilty in court.
3. That is not what would happen to you if you did that on camera. There are relatively few executions anymore. Only 7 states executed anyone last year, and all but two had been in prison for 15+ years beforehand.
Sure, there can be a trial..Quote:
Originally Posted by Scoots
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Yes, pretty much anything on this topic we all know what you are thinking based on your posting history. Doesn't take a psychic to see it coming from you.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sluggo1
You're a tough guy, you want people to stop thinking you're racist every turn of the way, then stop acting like a racist every time a situation presents itself. Until then get used to it tough guy.
I'm far from a tough guy. So I guess you are not psychic.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pierzynski4Prez
I'm just trying to point out a common sense point of view…an attempt wasted on you.
The two points of the original post were…
1 There are things about this incident that we do not know and will probably come out.
2. The police were wrong and should be fired.
I even preference point 2 numerous times since I suspected (correctly) that the post might create a spit storm.
Sorry you did not get the point(s).
But not surprised.
The Blue Line has been weakening because of citizens and instances like this revealing it. It’s not like the police were working hard to change, society has been forcing them to.Quote:
Originally Posted by Scoots
From reading your post and based on your past posting history, I think you were trying to insinuate there was probably something the man did to where the police acted the way they did. I think you believed there was more to the story than what we saw, and that what we haven’t seen yet would hurt the dead man’s credibility/case and help explain the police’s actions.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sluggo1