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No it isn't. It's how it is and it is unfortunate.Quote:
Originally Posted by ewing
Do you have a job…would you turn in a bad employee???
When you were in HS or college…did you turn in any students for cheating or whatever???
I was a security director for a good sized financial institution. Getting info out of employees was near impossible even when you knew they knew what was going on. Very few would come forward and even then it had to be in such a way as to leave them out of it.
It's true in people cutting in line too. It really is everywhere.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sluggo1
But the police should be held to a much higher standard.
It was a serious question. I know you can read, you said so.Quote:
Originally Posted by SpecialFNK
Does the RCMP have similar issues where their misbehavior goes unreported and shielded by the other mounties?
Maybe.Quote:
Originally Posted by Scoots
Maybe not. Probably not — because he got unlucky; someone got a video.
But my point remains. No video, chances are this guy would have gotten another pass.
My opinion…this was clearly racist.Quote:
Originally Posted by SpecialFNK
This woman made way too much out of this. Even if she just ignored the guy and walked away, nothing would have happened. But she just had to say something. She is a complete idiot. Little prima donna not used to anyone telling her anything. Got what she deserved.
You deal with a lot of US cops there in canada? What are you basing this on?Quote:
Originally Posted by SpecialFNK
what she did was wrong..........but for cripes sake, how is she supposed to describe him? it wasn't that long ago it wasn't PC to say black...Quote:
Originally Posted by SpecialFNK
Possibly.Quote:
Originally Posted by Crovash
She probably should have said that a black man is politely asking her to put her dog on a leash at the park.Quote:
Originally Posted by SiteWolf
I don't care about the mounties/RCMP and neither should you.Quote:
Originally Posted by Scoots
PSD should expect better from moderators (plural).
the bold I agree with, but were her actions specifically because he was black? if a white man said the same thing, would she have also been afraid?Quote:
Originally Posted by Sluggo1
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"Look, if you're going to do what you want, I'm going to do what I want, but you're not going to like it."
They should have thrown the stuff they stole in the lake.Quote:
Originally Posted by Scoots
not every altercation between white and black is race related....there are other reasons for her to be afraidQuote:
Originally Posted by SpecialFNK
for that matter, people are assuming the cop in MSP is racist...we don't know that either
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Originally Posted by benny01
They threw the tea in the harbor.Quote:
Originally Posted by SiteWolf
I get people issues with looting and rioting, but sometimes a few bricks need to go through a few windows. Yeah, the businesses had nothing to do with this, but if you you want your city to know it's on the verge of being lit on fire sometimes things need to get smashed up a bit. Sometimes it works.
Can't prove it, but I don't think she would have reacted the same way if the guy was white.Quote:
Originally Posted by SpecialFNK
I also can't figure why a woman would be walking alone in the particular area of Central Park. But that is not germane as to what happened. It is a bit add though.
Yep, I can assure you she wouldn't be screaming hysterically over and over into the phone that a black man is threatening to assault her while he stands calmly 15 feet away holding a phone.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sluggo1
So if it was your home or business or car…you would be completely understanding because, as you said, "if you you want your city to know it's on the verge of being lit on fire sometimes things need to get smashed up a bit."Quote:
Originally Posted by benny01
Right.
I'll believe it when I see photos of yoyr home or business trashed and you happily standing in front of it.
Keep us posted.
I'm not sure the logic follows. Me being excited about my property being damaged or destroyed has no bearing on whether looting and rioting can be a means to an end in relation to a social issue.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sluggo1
She was intentionally making it sound like a black man was endangering her life.Quote:
Originally Posted by SiteWolf
Because she was upset he wanted her to leash her dog.
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You don't know her intent.........she was freaked she'd not only been caught, but now there's a guy recording her and she's not sure how to react...she reacted poorly, but highly unlikely she was thinking clearly about how to react in that moment. I mean yes, it could be EXACTLY what you said....or drastically different...we're extrapolating without all the facts.Quote:
Originally Posted by blams
The blue line is famous here in the states, there was even a movie named after it. I genuinely find the RCMP interesting, they are like the marshal service in US history in that they are often a long way from one of their fellow officers and are in those cases the only representative of the law there is. With all that history I wondered if their individual honor was commonly put below protecting the mounties as a whole like with US police?Quote:
Originally Posted by SpecialFNK
That would have made more sense in some strange way, but still their complaint isn't directly with Target and Auto Zone. It would make even more sense if they threw all of the police station office furniture in the lake.Quote:
Originally Posted by benny01
That seemed clear to me. She was trying to scare him into leaving her alone by threatening him and implying the police would just believe her because she was white and he was black.Quote:
Originally Posted by blams
The full story, from the mans own words, tells a different story. They were both being “karens.” Him complaining about her dog not being on the leash and her for calling the cops. Although I think most people might have called them. He said “you’re not gonna like what I do next” and then called her dog over to him. He claims he was just going to give it a treat, but I can understand why the woman would feel threatened by it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sluggo1
Yeah, of course she felt threatened, the guy was black. Black guys are threatening while jogging, threatening while running away from a situation, threatening while reaching for their license and registration, threatening while walking home, threatening while sitting on the sidewalk, threatening while laying face first in the pavement handcuffed, threatening while sleeping in their beds. They are pretty scary. I get it.Quote:
Originally Posted by joeyc77
Just freaking stop it. You want racism to go away? Stop inserting it into every damn situation.Quote:
Originally Posted by benny01
Maybe she was threatened because, off camera, he was acting in a more threatening way than the audio implies
Maybe she was threatened because he was simply a big dude..
Maybe she was threatened because he was black but you don't know her history.
Or maybe she was threatened just because he was black.......my point is we don't KNOW that. We don't KNOW how she'd have reacted in the exact same situation if he was white...or for that matter if SHE was black. But the way NOT to RESOLVE some of this is TO INSERT IT INTO EVERYTHING, justified or not.
It's like justifying the looting because maybe it causes action....meanwhile people who had zero to do with the situation otherwise walked off with things they stole from a business that also had zero to do with the situation.
yep, she put on a performance on the phone.Quote:
Originally Posted by blams
Oh, you just stop, its tired.Quote:
Originally Posted by SiteWolf
I didnt justify rioting and looting, I said that it can be an effective means to an end. The point of any civil disobedience is to make the situation so uncomfortable for the powers that be that they must take action.
Was it polite? I thought I read he had mentioned about doing something she wouldn't like then offering her dog a treat. If I heard that I would take it as a threat to my dog too. This was not necessarily from a credible source I saw that though so I would have to look closerQuote:
Originally Posted by benny01
As a dog owner, if a stranger attempted to call my dog to them and made a weird remark, it would put me on alert.Quote:
Originally Posted by benny01
In that example, both sides were contributing to the escalation of the situation. He was being just as much of an idiot as she was...
To me he is playing the victim here while he kind of instigated things going too far in that. I don't think race needs to play a part for someone to be scared of a guy saying "you won't like whats next" then calling the dog to give it something.Quote:
Originally Posted by benny01
Looting isn't civil disobedience.Quote:
Originally Posted by benny01
As a dog owner that's super suspect. But who knows. One thing for sure, we can be sure that in this and all situations the public will wait until all the information is available before commenting on it :)Quote:
Originally Posted by mngopher35
We don't know her intent? She flat out stated she was going to call the cops and tell them a black man was threating her life?Quote:
Originally Posted by SiteWolf
Are you saying we don't know if her intent was to do exactly what she said she was going to do?
Sure it does. You make it seem as if you can understand why they loot. Would you understand it if they were looting your stuff??Quote:
Originally Posted by benny01
It's like graffiti. No one minds graffiti. Some some it is "urban art." But if their home or car was tagged they would be incensed.
It's hypocritical.
Lol.Quote:
Originally Posted by Scoots
Ya I would definitely be a little freaked if someone said that to me. She may have gone over the top but that was what provoked this incident it seems based on what is out there. Maybe more will come out but if those are the basic details I get why someone would call the cops if they took it as a threat (we don't know context but likely brought up in argument which to me would seem like one).
I dunno, I think the context of the cops is pretty clear with all the video and so on. We should still not be looting and so on imo even with that but this is much different. It seems like the context we know about this story both were kinda in the wrong some and the most extreme aspect to me is that threat he potentially made.
So Ahmaud should not have felt threatened when a man runs up to him with a shotgun yelling but this woman was justified in feeling threatened because a man called her dog?Quote:
Originally Posted by joeyc77
the context regarding intent involved whether she used African American in an improper way or simply as a description of the man she was feeling threatened by.........and I also said, it may have been that she was threatened simply BECAUSE he was black, but that it could also have been she was threatened by other aspects of the situation or, more likely, a combinationQuote:
Originally Posted by valade16
What all this really boils down to is pretty much never say anything to any one. Who needs the grief?Quote:
Originally Posted by mngopher35