This is why they kneel

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Originally Posted by nastynice

And people who think and daydream racist thoughts are most likely going to maintain that same mentality when dealing with people from.another race.

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Then why don’t more people rob banks?

Or even a simpler level, if I see an attractive woman who is dressed sexy, I think sexual thoughts about her. I don’t run up and start humping her leg. Thoughts do not equate to actions. Adults knows this.

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Originally Posted by joeyc77

You cannot change or control peoples thoughts. If someone wants to think racist thoughts, they are allowed. We can only control or at least curtail peoples actions.

I can day dream about robbing a bank. How I’m going to get away with it and spend the millions of dollars. That doesn’t mean I don’t believe it’s wrong to rob a bank nor would I rob a bank obviously.

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Except I’m not asking if it’s allowed, I’m asking if you think it’s bad.

Do you think it’s bad to be racist or have racist thoughts? Not committing racist acts, but simply being a racist? Is that inherently bad to you?

As for not being able to control people’s thoughts. We can call them out if people articulate that they are racists or have racists thoughts (sort of like this conversation).

Consider your analogy, you’re saying it’s perfectly OK to daydream about robbing a bank so long as you don’t actually do it. So are you saying it’s perfectly OK to be racist so long as you don’t act on it?

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Originally Posted by joeyc77

Then why don’t more people rob banks?

Or even a simpler level, if I see an attractive woman who is dressed sexy, I think sexual thoughts about her. I don’t run up and start humping her leg. Thoughts do not equate to actions. Adults knows this.

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Because robbing a bank is hard and people know they’re likely to go to jail. People subtly or u consciously acting racist carries far less risk.

As for the second paragraph, it’s utter nonsense. Adults who are ignorant think this. Thoughts dictate actions all the time. You keep using the example of humping a woman’s leg. But men who think a woman is attractive are more likely to hit on her, ask her on a date, or be nicer to them. Many, many studies confirm attractive people are treated differently.

Honestly, it’s a stupid thought to believe thinking someone is hot doesn’t alter how you interact with them. Pure stupidity.

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Originally Posted by valade16

No one was discussing that, you brought it up. The question is, if it has nothing to do with race and it’s all about how they dress and act, how come you always bring up race?

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The whole point of this thread is about the treatment or mistreatment of young black males, specifically by police but otherwise as well. I believe it’s a culture issue more than anything.

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Then why don’t more people rob banks?

Or even a simpler level, if I see an attractive woman who is dressed sexy, I think sexual thoughts about her. I don’t run up and start humping her leg. Thoughts do not equate to actions. Adults knows this.

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So your argument is that just because someone is a racist doesnt mean that any of that will come across in their actions and demeanor?

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Originally Posted by joeyc77

The whole point of this thread is about the treatment or mistreatment of young black males, specifically by police but otherwise as well. I believe it’s a culture issue more than anything.

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Yes, this right wing culture of jutstfying treating blacks poorly.

Definitely a cultural issue.

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Originally Posted by joeyc77

Obviously you can’t arrest kids wearing black. But there definitely should be intervention on both the school and perhaps the police level if need be, especially if there’s mental health issues, which there typically are in these cases.

Why are there more school shootings now than in the past? Perhaps the term “woke” I’d fairly new but the way schools either ignore or just bypass a kids weirdness is not. It’s been going on forever.

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You pretend as if there are no forms of intervention for troubled kids.

Why are there more school shootings now than in the past? It certainly ain't because society doesn't "judge books by their cover" often enough as you seem to be claiming.

This ain't Minority Report; you can't just arrest a kid because they are weird. :laugh2:

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Originally Posted by valade16

Because robbing a bank is hard and people know they’re likely to go to jail. People subtly or u consciously acting racist carries far less risk.

As for the second paragraph, it’s utter nonsense. Adults who are ignorant think this. Thoughts dictate actions all the time. You keep using the example of humping a woman’s leg. But men who think a woman is attractive are more likely to hit on her, ask her on a date, or be nicer to them. Many, many studies confirm attractive people are treated differently.

Honestly, it’s a stupid thought to believe thinking someone is hot doesn’t alter how you interact with them. Pure stupidity.

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I agree but you don’t violate that hot persons rights. That’s the point.

And yes, in your prejudgement you might deal with people differently. That’s not racism. If I’m more cautious around a group of young black males who are acting like thugs, my prejudgement is perfectly valid.

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Originally Posted by spliff(TONE)

You pretend as if there are no forms of intervention for troubled kids.

Why are there more school shootings now than in the past? It certainly ain't because society doesn't "judge books by their cover" often enough as you seem to be claiming.

This ain't Minority Report; you can't just arrest a kid because they are weird. :laugh2:

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No but the school can intervene and in some cases seek a mental evaluation if need be. There’s a lot of possible intervention between nothing and arrest. But I know that doesn’t fit your cool guy internet demeanor...

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Originally Posted by nastynice

Yes, this right wing culture of jutstfying treating blacks poorly.

Definitely a cultural issue.

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So it’s the right wing culture killing young black males daily?

It’s right wing culture keeping young black kids from graduating high school?

Please explain.

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Originally Posted by nastynice

So your argument is that just because someone is a racist doesnt mean that any of that will come across in their actions and demeanor?

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Demeanor yes. Actions not necessarily.

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Originally Posted by joeyc77

Demeanor yes. Actions not necessarily.

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So what's the take home point here?

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nvm, Not worth the effort.

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So it’s the right wing culture killing young black males daily?

It’s right wing culture keeping young black kids from graduating high school?

Please explain.

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Right wing culture certainly seems to actively feed into any stereotypes which help keep minorities down. This thread for example..

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I agree but you don’t violate that hot persons rights. That’s the point.

And yes, in your prejudgement you might deal with people differently. That’s not racism. If I’m more cautious around a group of young black males who are acting like thugs, my prejudgement is perfectly valid.

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Oh, so it’s important we don’t violate the racists rights but we should profile and violate black men age 16-30’s rights when they dress a certain way?

And now you’re saying acting like thugs, but before it was simply dressing like thugs because by dressing like that they wanted to portray themselves as criminals so it’s Ok to treat them like such.