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04-18-2021, 12:55 PM
Crovash

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Originally Posted by Brewersfan255

Obviously he didn’t deserve to die over his mistakes...

You keep saying this, but for some odd reason it feels...well, false to me.
04-18-2021, 01:37 PM
mike_noodles

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Originally Posted by mngopher35

While I agree many like to try and downplay or ignore that being an officer should come with higher standards/more responsibility I disagree with the weapon point.

In a society like ours with guns so prevalent and everywhere we need those charged with protecting us to have a reasonable chance to stop them/defend themselves and others. It doesn’t excuse all use of excessive force but not having guns wouldn’t make sense unless you also took them from the population first.

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Should be locked in the trunk. They can also use many of the non-lethal weapons first. Bean bag guns, rubber bullets, tear gas, tasers, etc, etc. Lots of non lethal options out there.
04-18-2021, 01:42 PM
mngopher35

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Originally Posted by mike_noodles

Should be locked in the trunk. They can also use many of the non-lethal weapons first. Bean bag guns, rubber bullets, tear gas, tasers, etc, etc. Lots of non lethal options out there.

A lot of that isn’t going to be effective in the heat of the moment when the other person has a gun.

You can’t send them into dangerous situations where they will potentially be shot at without legitimate protection. No one is signing up to go in with a taser to a gun fight.

There are lots of non lethal options but not every scenario gives the time, spacing and ability to use each of those options on a few people with guns to protect yourself in any reasonable way. This would create situations where the public knows cops responding are defenseless too and sets them up for easy deception (group of people that want to kill a cop will know the ones responding initially won’t have a gun)

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04-18-2021, 03:00 PM
dbroncos78087

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Originally Posted by mike_noodles

I been banging this drum for years. Police should not be allowed to carry a deadly weapon on their person. Look at the other situation with the guy in his fatigues that ended up getting pepper sprayed. It was a traffic stop for a license plate. First thing the cop did upon getting out of his car was pull his gun out. That is not deescalating at all.

I don't have a problem with them having the weapon. But the responsibility needs to be on them to deescalate.
04-18-2021, 03:33 PM
MRSpock

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Originally Posted by Walter_White

Bro you are deranged.

I bet I disagree with Brewers on 90% of subjects.

What he's saying right now though is far from "derranged".
04-18-2021, 03:38 PM
MRSpock

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Originally Posted by dbroncos78087

I don't have a problem with them having the weapon. But the responsibility needs to be on them to deescalate.

The cop can't come into this situation trying g to deescalate. For all he knows these guys just murdered someone.

He can't go into a situation like this any other way till he knows the 2 suspects are disarmed and no longer a danger.

The results of thus are awful. But it's not like he was that douchey cop threatening the armed forces member to "ride the lightning" on a routine traffic stop.
04-18-2021, 03:51 PM
dbroncos78087

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Originally Posted by MRSpock

The cop can't come into this situation trying g to deescalate. For all he knows these guys just murdered someone.

He can't go into a situation like this any other way till he knows the 2 suspects are disarmed and no longer a danger.

The results of thus are awful. But it's not like he was that douchey cop threatening the armed forces member to "ride the lightning" on a routine traffic stop.

If the first sentence is the line of thinking, then the only choice is to disband the police. Because that’s a crock of ****. They can always try to deescalate a situation.
04-18-2021, 04:23 PM
MRSpock

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Originally Posted by dbroncos78087

If the first sentence is the line of thinking, then the only choice is to disband the police. Because that’s a crock of ****. They can always try to deescalate a situation.

LOLOLOL.

Disarming people shooting at cars you could say is deescalation.

But if you want him in this situation going " hey guys, can you please not shoot at cars?" Then you're being ridiculous.
04-18-2021, 06:37 PM
Walter_White

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Originally Posted by MRSpock

I bet I disagree with Brewers on 90% of subjects.

What he's saying right now though is far from "derranged".

If you think he didn't comply with the officer's orders when there's video of him putting his hands up after being told to by the cop then you're deranged.
04-18-2021, 06:40 PM
spliff(TONE)

Life according to Mr. White is just so black & white.
04-18-2021, 07:10 PM
Scoots

Let's take the death out of the discussion for a bit. This woman reacted wrong to the police pulling her over, but keep watching ... couldn't the police have decided at any point before it went the way it went to just let her go? Couldn't the police look at the situation and decide before it escalated to a physical situation that just taking a step back would better serve the community?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TiaX...iceCompilation
04-18-2021, 07:48 PM
mike_noodles

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Originally Posted by dbroncos78087

If the first sentence is the line of thinking, then the only choice is to disband the police. Because that’s a crock of ****. They can always try to deescalate a situation.

Was gonna say something similar. If they have to treat every person as if they’ve committed murder than the shot is so ****ed the only option is to tear it down and start something new and different.
04-18-2021, 07:52 PM
mike_noodles

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Originally Posted by mngopher35

A lot of that isn’t going to be effective in the heat of the moment when the other person has a gun.

You can’t send them into dangerous situations where they will potentially be shot at without legitimate protection. No one is signing up to go in with a taser to a gun fight.

There are lots of non lethal options but not every scenario gives the time, spacing and ability to use each of those options on a few people with guns to protect yourself in any reasonable way. This would create situations where the public knows cops responding are defenseless too and sets them up for easy deception (group of people that want to kill a cop will know the ones responding initially won’t have a gun)

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You have to play each situation differently. But when a police officers first action during a TRAFFIC STOP is to unholster their weapon, that is a major problem. The police are leading the contact by escalating the situation to the highest of levels.
04-18-2021, 07:55 PM
Scoots

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Originally Posted by mike_noodles

You have to play each situation differently. But when a police officers first action during a TRAFFIC STOP is to unholster their weapon, that is a major problem. The police are leading the contact by escalating the situation to the highest of levels.

In many states a cop unholstering their weapon at that point will be charged with assault because that is skipping to the top of the force/threat response pyramid and is, by law, unreasonable force in many states.
04-18-2021, 08:13 PM
mike_noodles

Here’s a great read for anyone interested.

https://time.com/5854986/police-refo...-unarmed-guns/

Basically boils down to police in the US use fear to try to police. Other countries use respect.

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