This is why they kneel

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Originally Posted by valade16

Literally anytime someone brings this subject up. Your very first point is always to point out how blacks people commit the most violent crimes in general and against other black people.

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Why are facts bad?


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Originally Posted by joeyc77

If there’s known black inequality, I’d help fight against it. But I don’t believe there’s anything on a systemic level. It’s mostly on an individual level. I believe there are cops that mistreat black people. Like this cop that killed Floyd. But according to his record, he mistreated people fairly evenly. That doesn’t excuse his behavior.

You feel like rioting and looting is helping kill the prejudice against blacks?

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Ok, fair enough. Had I seen this post of yours in a vacuum, I wouldnt oppose your stance so strongly.

I dont agree with your reasoning you've been giving throughout the thread, but this is a fair post. I dont agree with this post, I strongly feel that there is racism on a systemic level. I believe that systemic racism is mostly a product of these subconscious prejudisms we ALL individually have against blacks. There are many reasons we have these prejudisms, such as statistical truth behind it, big topic in pop culture, big topic in politics, etc..

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Originally Posted by Brewersfan255

Why are facts bad?


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Facts aren’t bad. They just need to be placed in the proper context. Comparing black people deaths by police to black people deaths by black people is not a comparison we should be making. It proves nothing.

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Originally Posted by Brewersfan255

Why are facts bad?


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You should be smarter than this.

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Originally Posted by joeyc77

If there’s known black inequality, I’d help fight against it. But I don’t believe there’s anything on a systemic level It’s mostly on an individual level. I believe there are cops that mistreat black people. Like this cop that killed Floyd. But according to his record, he mistreated people fairly evenly. That doesn’t excuse his behavior.

You feel like rioting and looting is helping kill the prejudice against blacks?

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This is the nexus of your beliefs. This is why you have such an archaic, simplistic, and erroneous view of the problem.

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Originally Posted by Brewersfan255

Why are facts bad?


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In a vacuum nothing, but everybody knows you aren’t presenting them in good faith or for sincere discourse, you do it as a really lazy deflection strawman combo because you don’t have the capacity or interest to address the issue.

Literally nobody would say the violence you reference isn’t a problem. But the aggressors in those situations don’t wear the badge and uniform of those sworn to protect and serve the communities of this country. So your lazy “yeah well this other thing is bad so we can’t address this bad thing haha libs” argument is counterproductive. It’s why things never will change. Rather than address a gross distrust and tension between black communities and the law enforcement that brutalizes them in gross unlawful ways, you throw up your hands and say “well blacks are even worse...”. As if that will magically bury the issue.

But you’re the same type who will say there needs to be conversation not protests, but you dismiss either when presented with these silly deflections.

A black man is murdered on film by law enforcement, begging for his life while his colleagues do nothing and guard him.

Your response is “well black people kill each other too so clearly racial injustice can’t exist”

People who respond like this are very much trying to say racism isn’t that big a deal and not an issue with law enforcement, no matter how brutal the newest example is to them. It’s not about “facts” since you’re downplaying ones that don’t appeal to your narrative. It’s really transparent lol

"Cars would drive up, let off the looters, unload power tools and suitcases and then the cars would drive away," she told ABC News. "Then the cars would come back pick them up and then drive off to the next spot. They seemed to know exactly where they were going. Some of the people were local but there were a lot of out-of-towners."


https://abc7ny.com/looting-vandalism...-nypd/6228222/

But the crazy part is at the end of the article where they acknowledge that NYPD is using tracing databases that they said didn’t exist!


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Originally Posted by valade16

This is the nexus of your beliefs. This is why you have such an archaic, simplistic, and erroneous view of the problem.

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Sure, but there is SOME merit to what he's saying in that specific post. The law doesn't spell out racial injustice in words the way it did 70 years ago.




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Can't quote the source because I have no idea what the source is, but NPR said this evening: In 2019 there were 9 unarmed black people killed by the police. In 2019 there were 19 unarmed white people killed by the police.

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Originally Posted by dbroncsinmo

Can't quote the source because I have no idea what the source is, but NPR said this evening: In 2019 there were 9 unarmed black people killed by the police. In 2019 there were 19 unarmed white people killed by the police.

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So you also feel like there is no systemic racism? Is that what this stat is supposed to support?

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Originally Posted by nastynice

So you also feel like there is no systemic racism? Is that what this stat is supposed to support?


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That’s exactly what he means lol

Do you think he believes those white people were murdered because of racism? (I mean, it’s very possible he does lol)? Nah, it’s a jazz hands deflection from actual identifiable racism to say A. No problem here, no racism, it’s just not true! And B. Actually whites are the true victim.

It’s a total strawman against the actual claims regarding police brutality and racism present in American power structures law enforcement. Nobody cares that “hey look guys more white people died” because they didn’t die because they were white lol. Once he has to address the undeniable issue of racial motivation and the difference in treatment based on that? Then he has to shuffle his feet and cower and make some eff you libs deflection because he’s terrified of having to openly (behind closed doors and in a voting booth is ok) own up to being totally cool with racism and an administration and party that is as well.

They’re empty numbers and presented as some trump card that disproves racial inequality (notice the numbers aren’t backed by how the deaths happened, what transpired etc—there’s a reason for that) in America, but he can hide behind them as some deep factual analysis because “duh er big number > little number” Without having to address anything beyond that. Not to mention racial inequality and police brutality is very present in cases that don’t end in death. There’s a reason he doesn’t have those numbers or want to address the fact those can’t always be numerically stated—racism isn’t something cops just file in a log book when they clock out like “yep pulled over an n word because he was black today”

There’s also a reason he’s ok posting without a source when he’d cry about libs making up stuff if anyone else did lol

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Originally Posted by mngopher35

That is the problem, it makes no distinction about what is better/worse. It is just coming in and saying "but what about the other side". That is literally what both sides is everytime you bring it up in that fashion like you did. You are excusing one very bad because the other side has done something bad before too. Almost everyone here knows both sides are full of **** but many are also able to not just equalize both sides in full. There can be bad and worse.

Alright that is fine but you also said moderates/center/right of center is turned off... Well then stop voting for those bad candidates over other dems. The moderates/centrists/right of center dem voters are more of the reason reason she was there against Trump at all so not sure how they are also turned off?

You are constantly saying but what about the other side, they both do it. I agree it is all broken but that is not a useful approach to bring any change, you need to distinguish what is bad/how/the extents and so on not just keep saying both sides ignoring the full context.

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That requires too much brain power for his tiny mind.

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Originally Posted by nastynice

So you also feel like there is no systemic racism? Is that what this stat is supposed to support?

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I believe he was just repeating a fact....which doesn't state the race of any of the officers, let alone the situations.

But, and I'm not remotely singling you out because we've all done it, this is another part of this whole thing....people say one thing, others hear another. Even with simple things; I've combined with a couple people on a garden and yesterday said to one 'that rain we expected might slide north of us' and the response was 'is it my turn to water the garden?' ....I wasn't even talking about the garden, let alone whose turn it was...I just said it might not rain.

There's a lot of 2 + 2 = 5 going on in this whole situation.

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Originally Posted by nastynice

As far as effectiveness his knee was by far the most effective thing he did. Although it pissed off a bunch of white racists, the awareness brought to his cause, and subsequent donations from others to that cause, was more effective than any money donation he himself made.

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awareness from media covering the method and not why? no.

what about Kaepernick's decision to wear socks depicting police as pigs, while he has done some good donating money, this surely didn't help and was wrong. that didn't lead to anything peaceful.

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Originally Posted by Zmaster52

Yeah they definitely do exist. Have you seen the video or the police conveniently placing bricks around? Something tells me they weren’t building a house...


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people should be able to acknowledge and accept there have been people on both sides wrong, that includes police, that includes people rioting and looting.