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Originally Posted by Jack the Ripper

I invited you to have an actual discussion about the effects of fatherless homes in black communities but you insisted on calling me racist instead. Maybe you weren’t ready for that discussion. When you are we can talk over a few beers and a basket of chittlin’s in that bar you were talking about earlier.

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Do you think programs like the war on drugs or other institutional policies contributed to the black fatherless rate?

Why, why? He is only going to spend the next few pages of this thread with bs. Let him go back to pleasuring himself dreaming about his imagery self-hating black girlfriend or spouse or mother figure, whatever.

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Originally Posted by valade16

Do you think programs like the war on drugs or other institutional policies contributed to the black fatherless rate?

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What other institutional policies?

Specifically talking about the war on drugs, yes, I do believe it has contributed to the black fatherless rate. I don’t however see the program itself as a means of oppressing the black race specifically. You could say I’m on the fence when it comes to the legalization of marijuana, since that is a hot topic these days. Nation-wide legalization isn’t something that I would ever support, but at the same time it’s small potatoes to me and not something I passionately oppose either.

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Originally Posted by valade16

The fact that you don’t know the Breonna Taylor case is the exact reason why you blindly accept the 99% number must be legit. You haven’t done any research into the massive amount of questionable killings by police where they weren’t even charged.

How can you express such certainty about something you’ve clearly never done any research on?

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Why would I do research into police killings? I readily admit, police make mistakes. They happen to make mistakes within every race. But we don’t need to discuss that...doesn’t fit the narrative.

Furthermore, I’m not expressing any certainty. I’m saying, show the evidence. You can’t just make assumptions based on your preconceived SJW ideals. You posted a fact-99% of all police killings are legit. Then proceeded to make the assertion that this fact was not accurate based on nothing more than your own feelings. That doesn’t cut it.

In the Abery case, I admitted early on there was definitely some blue line protection going on. I’ve said several times that cops tend to stick up for one another. This isn’t right but this is done across multiple professions, especially professions with unions.

Will you be willing to break up unions so perhaps we can stop professionals from this type of nonsense?

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Originally Posted by WES445

Why, why? He is only going to spend the next few pages of this thread with bs. Let him go back to pleasuring himself dreaming about his imagery self-hating black girlfriend or spouse or mother figure, whatever.

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“Imagery.” lol Good ****ing mastery of language there.

She doesn’t hate herself, only the loud ****** in the city. And her ex-husband. He was worthless.

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Originally Posted by joeyc77

Why would I do research into police killings? I readily admit, police make mistakes. They happen to make mistakes within every race. But we don’t need to discuss that...doesn’t fit the narrative.

Furthermore, I’m not expressing any certainty. I’m saying, show the evidence. You can’t just make assumptions based on your preconceived SJW ideals. You posted a fact-99% of all police killings are legit . Then proceeded to make the assertion that this fact was not accurate based on nothing more than your own feelings. That doesn’t cut it.

In the Abery case, I admitted early on there was definitely some blue line protection going on. I’ve said several times that cops tend to stick up for one another. This isn’t right but this is done across multiple professions, especially professions with unions.

Will you be willing to break up unions so perhaps we can stop professionals from this type of nonsense?

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This sentence really illustrates the depth of your bias. I posted a stat that says 99% of police were never charged and your mind immediately assumes that means they were legit. As if there’s no other possible explanation for why an officer wouldn’t be charged beyond they did the right thing. This is the bias I’m talking about.

And yes, you are expressing certainty, you literally said the vast majority of police killings are justified. And now you’re saying that police do protect their own and it isn’t right, but also preclude that possibility and act like I’m wrong to doubt that statistic despite that possibility.

And I did not doubt that statistic without evidence, I just didn’t post any because I assumed the evidence was so obvious and overwhelming only the dumbest, most idiotic person on earth could take that stat at face value and think it means 99% of police killings are justified. I guess I found that person...

You can try to make this some partisan thing by talking about skin color narratives or unions, but it shows whose really the ideological demagogue here, I did not mention either. The fact you are desperately trying to turn this into one of those issues is pathetic. We’re talking about the deadly use of police force.

You have admitted police look out and protect their own. You have admitted that the legal system is not infallible. Despite both these beliefs you believe that all 99% of police killings were justified despite not knowing the specifics of any individual case (though you demanded that proof to doubt their legitimacy, you don’t need those specifics to believe the legitimacy apparently), and knowing both of those factors could influence the % not charged.

I’ve shown you a half dozen instances. We’re all of those excellent? Because if not, I guess you’re attack on me for not believing that was an epic fail. You claim the real world is about facts, and you literally admitted you haven’t researched any facts on this subject, so why laugh at people who doubt statistics that you know nothing about?

. It’s easy to claim the facts support your side when you intentionally go out of your way to not see any facts that counter it.

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Originally Posted by Jack the Ripper

What other institutional policies?

Specifically talking about the war on drugs, yes, I do believe it has contributed to the black fatherless rate. I don’t however see the program itself as a means of oppressing the black race specifically. You could say I’m on the fence when it comes to the legalization of marijuana, since that is a hot topic these days. Nation-wide legalization isn’t something that I would ever support, but at the same time it’s small potatoes to me and not something I passionately oppose either.

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You don’t think the disproportionate sentences for crack compared to cocaine that existed for years was meant to target the black community?

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Originally Posted by valade16

You don’t think the disproportionate sentences for crack compared to cocaine that existed for years was meant to target the black community?

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Truthfully, I don’t know what the sentences were for either or of the period of time you’re referencing.

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Originally Posted by Jack the Ripper

Truthfully, I don’t know what the sentences were for either or of the period of time you’re referencing.

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in 85' a law was passed (bipartisan) that made crack penalties 100 times more stringent by weight than powder cocaine (which is more potent FYI). This was lowered to 18 to 1 in Obama era changes... so the period of time is 85' to now.

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Originally Posted by Jack the Ripper

Truthfully, I don’t know what the sentences were for either or of the period of time you’re referencing.

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No worries:

https://www.criminaldefenselawyer.co...-penalties.htm

Essentially a law in 1986 made it so that the penalty for 5 grams of crack is 100 times harsher than the penalty for 5 grams of cocaine. Crack is known more for use in the black community and cocaine more so in the white community. This law was repealed for the most part in 2010.

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Originally Posted by flips333

in 85' a law was passed (bipartisan) that made crack penalties 100 times more stringent by weight than powder cocaine (which is more potent FYI). This was lowered to 18 to 1 in Obama era changes... so the period of time is 85' to now.

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Thank you.

I’m willing to admit that presently I’m not informed enough to speak on this subject. Gives me a reason to read about it, though.

To your point, there is something that can be said for your point, that the rate of single mothers in the black community contributes to the problem. We need policies that 1. help black families stay together. (that includes repealing some things like not allowing former felons to live with their families in public housing) 2. reduce teen pregnancy (this probably should be regardless of race). 3. increase educational opportunities in poor settings. 4. Increase the faith in the American system for black youth (thats a tall order given our history.)

We might disagree strongly on how to do this, but I am with you that there is an area that needs addressing.

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Originally Posted by Jack the Ripper

“Imagery.” lol Good ****ing mastery of language there.

She doesn’t hate herself, only the loud ****** in the city. And her ex-husband. He was worthless.

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Does she have a thing for worthless POSs?


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Originally Posted by valade16

No worries:

https://www.criminaldefenselawyer.co...-penalties.htm

Essentially a law in 1986 made it so that the penalty for 5 grams of crack is 100 times harsher than the penalty for 5 grams of cocaine. Crack is known more for use in the black community and cocaine more so in the white community. This law was repealed for the most part in 2010.

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I appreciate the explanations from you and flips. Like I said in my reply to him, I’m not informed enough to really continue with this discussion at the moment and I can admit that. I’ll certainly do some reading.

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Originally Posted by Jack the Ripper

The biggest problem plaguing the black community is a lack of accountability, not racism (which does exist). As long as the false narrative of systemic oppression is pushed, there won’t be any talk of accountability. The narrative does far more damage to black lives than the police ever will.

I had two teenage patients come to the ER last night. Both come from dysfunctional homes. Both were in the ER as a result of those dysfunctional homes. Only one gets to blame systemic oppression and racism for her problems.

The 19-year old black girl came in after experiencing problems from a recent abortion. The nurses were annoyed with her because this was her fourth trip to the ER with these same complications and each time she had ignored the medical advice given to her, only to return again later with the same problem still persisting. I did a CT on her, brought her back to her room in the ER and the nurses were talking about how dumb this girl is. Sadly, they weren’t wrong. She was dumb. She required a blood transfusion and one of the nurses had to be present in the room during. She came out and told us she felt bad for the girl she had told her that her home life was a mess. Expelled from one school, single parent, never taught much of anything growing up. Ironically, she graduated from a high school which is about 80% white. She’s entirely a product of her home life. This girl’s chances of being a success in life are extremely minimal. She’s likely to get pregnant again (she actually was hoping that her pregnancy test she took last night would come back positive, despite having an abortion only a few months ago), will likely end up a single parent, and will raise the kid to repeat the same cycle she went through. Her parents failed her. Not a system that works to keep black people oppressed.

The 16-year old white boy who came in was severely intoxicated. His family is also dysfunctional. Mom left, dad is a loser. He’s only 16 and we’ve had him in the ER in multiple occasions for substance problems including an overdose. He will likely grow up to be exactly like his dad, who is a known meth addict.

Neither one of these teens is going anywhere in life and the reason for it falls entirely on their parents and their up-bringing. The only different is that the boy can’t blame his life on oppression or racism.

This is the conversation that needs to be had in the black community, but never will, because victimhood is easier than accountability.

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There is an effect of racism... Both personal and institutional. That doesn't mean that both cases aren't ****. And I'm pretty sure the white folks who succumb to this end up blaming others as well.

Also the assumption that neither of these kids are going anywhere defeats your personal responsibility narrative. I have seen all sorts of **** studying substance abuse. I have worked along side people with PhDs who spent time in prison for bank robbery. Fact is though even in this the scales are not balanced. Just look at that brock turner kid... he was ****ing sticking his fingers in an unconscious woman when caught... he served three months.