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Every group has a dumb guy. If you didn’t know...Quote:
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Where are the smart people at?Quote:
Originally Posted by ewing
Most honorable men don’t specify the reason that turns out to be true. Robert E Lee didn’t want to keep the nation divided, but wanted to unite it. About the only thing we can say for certain about these monuments is they are divisive, which is exactly why he didn’t want them put up.Quote:
Originally Posted by joeyc77
Heck, the commissioning of one of the monuments built in 1914 featured remarks from the local leader of the KKK who said “we must honor the achievements of our good of our own race and blood”.
The location of the carving of confederate generals at Stone Mountain is the literal birthplace of the KKK, do you think that is a coincidence?
Why do you think most of these statues were erected in the 1910’s during Jim Crow or during the 50’s/60’s during Civil Rights?
https://talkingpointsmemo.com/edblog...ntifa-invaders
This sums up the right-wing Antifa hysteria pretty well.
The fear-mongering is real. The right-right are a bunch of ill-informed scaredy cats
https://www.columbusalive.com/news/2...ful-school-bus
This is so egotistically outrageous that I must laugh. Sounds so Trump-like. What degrees do you have Social or Black studies? What Black writers and intellectuals do read? Or even noted white writers of social issues and conditions like Christopher Higgins or Howard Zinn? Angela Davis? Cornell West? Do you even know who these guys are?Quote:
Originally Posted by joeyc77
Really, what are your credentials? "I lived in the inner city?" just won't cut it.
As I said before, I’m sure there were people who supported slavery, kkk, racism who helped or supported these statues as well. But just because people’s whose opinions we don’t agree with support something, doesn’t mean we cannot support it as well. People are not all good or all bad, especially when taking into consideration different eras. Ty Cobb was a great baseball player. He was also racist as ****. That doesn’t take away his accomplishments on the field. Similarly, OJ Simpson probably killed two people but that doesn’t take away his 2,000 yard season. We can agree with or commend people for some things while vehemently disagreeing with them on others.Quote:
Originally Posted by valade16
I’m not saying all confederate statues were erected because of good nature. I’m sure there are some that were meant to torment black people. But now, some 70 to 100 years later it’s about how some people honor their ancestors.
If loving Robert E Lee’s is wrong I don’t want to be right
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Duh, where is a OJ statue? Ty Cobb? Is that OJ statue standing in front of his dead wife's family home or near their daily travel
Not true. Whites are discriminated against in college applications. Whites are discriminated against when a poc gets a job over them because of AA. Whites are discriminated against when funds are given disproportionately from any institution due to race or minority status.Quote:
Originally Posted by flips333
Those are such small populations that they literally don’t count. And you going there, as well as valade, shows you have intention of actually areyour point but rather jumping on a statement that is 99.9% correct.Quote:
Originally Posted by flips333
It is like how I would honor a rapist, slave owner uncle if I had one. How much evil crap does a person have to do to be discredited? I sure Adolph Hilter was a good guy since he brought Germany out of the Depression.
First, this isn’t some guy who was in the KKK saying he liked the statue, he was the keynote speaker at the commemoration. Are you at least OK with tearing down the statues that were erected for the purpose of tormenting black people?Quote:
Originally Posted by joeyc77
The OJ Simpson one is an interesting example. Would you be OK with a city deciding to build and erect a monument to OJ Simpson right now? Because it’s been about as long from when he was an NFL player and the trial to today as it was from when most of those statues started being erected.
Those statues were meant to torment black people and were built some 70-100 years later. So if they were built after 70-100 years, why can’t we tear them down after 70-100 years?
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Originally Posted by WES445
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Oh man.Quote:
Originally Posted by The20thK
Would it be fair to say that you believe there is more institutional racism against whites people than black people?Quote:
Originally Posted by The20thK
Racism is superiority over another race. Whites have had this since the inception of this country. Whites don't experience the effects of rasicm. Ever. Not here. They face prejudice but every portion of our system is built for their benefit. Always has been.Quote:
Originally Posted by The20thK
I’ve already stated that. The only racist policies anyone can point to are ones that disproportionately negatively affect white men.Quote:
Originally Posted by valade16
Well I mean that’s the new definition based on liberal college professors. But that hasn’t always been the case. We used to believe that racism was when one race thought it was superior to another. Didn’t matter who had power over who.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hawkeye15
Where did you receive your Bachelor of Arts in Gender Studies at?
I figured as much. Was there ever a time when black people were more discriminated against institutionally and when did that stop?Quote:
Originally Posted by The20thK
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Originally Posted by ewing
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Originally Posted by The20thK
Oh my jeebus somebody that really believes white men are being oppressed? Rofl
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Do you think you're making a good point? One that defends your belief in white supremacy. What even are you going on about bro?Quote:
Originally Posted by The20thK
Both are in the hall of Fame, should their busts (statues) be removed?Quote:
Originally Posted by WES445
Also, your quip about the dead wife’s home made me think of something. A few years ago, a Muslim church wanted to build a mosque in New York near the World Trade Center site. Many people were offended as they consider the Muslim religion responsible for the deaths of their loved ones. The mosque was allowed to be built and rightfully so, how is that any different?
You have any data to back any of this up... Oh that's right you don't... and also It's wonderful to see you back peddle from your... Anyone on the street ********.Quote:
Originally Posted by The20thK
Think about it... Then you will have your own answer.Quote:
Originally Posted by joeyc77
I would be fine if OJs hometown or whatever wanted to erect a statue of him. It’s really not my business who wants to honor someone. If I don’t like it, I’ll look away.Quote:
Originally Posted by valade16
Many people were offended by Muslims wanting to build a mosque near the WTC site. Are you ok with the mosque being built?
I know how I feel/felt. Just because some are offended, it doesn’t stand in the way of others freedoms, of speech/religion.Quote:
Originally Posted by flips333
I love the instant insults despite your not knowing **** about ****. No arguing with ignorance.Quote:
Originally Posted by The20thK
Good day knucklehead.
Anyone? Hitler? ISIS? You’re OK with towns honoring anyone? I find that difficult to believe.Quote:
Originally Posted by joeyc77
Your Muslim analogy tells me you fundamentally don’t recognize that the expressed purpose of the confederacy wa the continuation of slavery.
You never did answer my questions: Why do you think they erected all these statues during Jim Crow and the Civil Rights movement? If they can erect monuments 70-100 years after the Civil War, why can’t we take down those monuments 70-100 years later?
Like most every other right winger ever, I'm pretty certain you have no idea what the first amendment actually protects.Quote:
Originally Posted by joeyc77
I wonder if the citizens of chaz (lol) will be making reparations for the property owners and business owners that they are oppressing. Seems only fair.
This entire chaz thing is the funniest thing I've ever seen. It's hilarious. It truly amuses me. It's like watching a Benny Hill episode. What a bunch of ****ing morons.
I give it one week before they get rightfully punched in the face.
I honestly have no idea what the Chaz thing is about. And I'm usually pretty clued in.
explain?
I wouldn’t like a Hitler/ISIS statue but I wouldn’t care enough to demand someone else take something down. I have the option to look the other way. So long as something is not forced on me, it’s not my concern.Quote:
Originally Posted by valade16
The expressed purpose of the confederacy was not just slavery. Many of the men fighting were not slave owners. There were “good” people in the south just like there were “bad” people in the north. Just like there are many “good” Muslims who practice a faith and some “bad” Muslims who would terrorize nations. I would say there are good and bad in all groups.
As I’ve said several times, I believe there were people we would consider racist who helped with erecting those statues. Their opinions or deeds are of no relevance to me. It’s like when a terrorist supports a democrat candidate or a kkk member supports a Republican candidate. Should those candidates be immediately removed based on someone with disagree withs support?
Cool. Is this the part where I attack you for being liberal now? I love politics...Quote:
Originally Posted by ManRam
No. I'm just saying what you think the first amendment is doesn't protect what you're saying it does.Quote:
Originally Posted by joeyc77
Tell me what this has to do with statues or whatever it you're going on about, I don't really care:
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Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.
So the wishes of the person you wish to glorify doesn’t matter, the intent of the people who built the statues doesn’t matter, and the intent of the confederacy as an institution doesn’t matter? Sounds like nothing matters than what you think.Quote:
Originally Posted by joeyc77
I flat out do not believe you when you say you wouldn’t care enough considering the aneurism you had when Kaepernick kneeled.
All of your rationalizations sound like you really want the statues to stay up and you don’t much care why. I will remember however how you expressed you don’t care and you’ll just look the other way.
Like CHAZ, I’m assuming you look the other way for that? Or BLM. Just look the other way right?
The reason the South REBELLED against the USA was because they wanted to preserve slavery. Hard stop.
Any spin is revisionism.
Yes, most things do not matter to me, especially that of which is not in my control. I personally don’t care about Robert E Lee, but some people do on that he represents their heritage.Quote:
Originally Posted by valade16
I did not have an aneurism over Kaep. I think he was fake in that his protest drew attention away from his cause and made it about him. I don’t like protesting before a game. The 2017 Eagles protested a lot. That being said, I supported the team and watched them win a SB.
Yes, BLM does not bother me. ALM does not bother me either as with Blue lives matter and whatever matters today. Most people have good intent in their statements.
True. However, there is not a single person alive today that has a first hand account of that era. Actually, that first hand account is dozens of generations removed. But you, and others like you, want to pretend that these people that fly a flag are out there enslaving black people.Quote:
Originally Posted by ManRam
Take down the ****ing statues. I really don't care. But stop calling people racist that aren't racist and had absolutely nothing to do with racism.
Then why bother to comment?Quote:
Originally Posted by ManRam