Maybe benny can do something about it.Quote:
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Maybe benny can do something about it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Brewersfan255
And the award for most predictable post goes toQuote:
Originally Posted by Brewersfan255
It's not just about that. There needs to be a culture change in many of these police forces. Those other 3 officers should not be engaging in nepotism where they main objective to protect the blue wall. I have to believe at least one of those officers knew Chauvins actions were wrong but did nothing about it. The shield shouldn't trump common sense, compassion, and doing the right thing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Brewersfan255
And how do you propose they fix this culture change? You realize there’s racist and bad people in every profession. A couple bad cops don’t overlook all the good cops who protect and serve this country.Quote:
Originally Posted by metswon69
It’s just sickening to see cops constantly under attack over a few bad apple cops.
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How many cops watched this happen? At what point is it not a few bad apples?Quote:
Originally Posted by Brewersfan255
And sure there are racists in every profession... But it's this profession's job to protect and serve. This is different then whilhelm the neo-nazi baker.
Which is the vast majority of cops.Quote:
Originally Posted by flips333
They just set the Auto Zone on fire now and it’s totally engulfed in flames. So stupid
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You need cops to be better integrated into minority communities. I also think the vetting process for becoming a cop needs to become more thorough. There should be annual psychological background checks on cops imo as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by Brewersfan255
This cop had a dozen complaints against him since 2001. You would think at some point that might have put his job in jeopardy, right? I understand not all complaints have legitimacy but fool me once, shame on you, fool me twelve times and maybe there is smoke by that fire.
I agree that a few bad apples spoil the bunch but there needs to be checks in place. There are way too many instances where white cops use excessive force on minorities.
I think looting takes attention away from the issue too. It's not like they are using logic or anger, it's greed.Quote:
Originally Posted by metswon69
It IS news and it is related.Quote:
Originally Posted by valade16
Absolutely.Quote:
Originally Posted by metswon69
I posted several things on page 2. Nobody replied.Quote:
Originally Posted by Brewersfan255
All police on scene should be charged and held to a higher standard than if this was done by non-police.Quote:
Originally Posted by flips333
Almost as sickening as cops (who should absolutely be held to a higher standard) killing people unnecessarily.Quote:
Originally Posted by Brewersfan255
It's not vetting, it's that they are put in to service far too fast. Psych checks have proven to be easy to game. It's citizen reports that should be encouraged, and if a cop gets 2 serious reports in 6 months they should then be restricted to not be allowed to interact with the public without a senior officer for a year. 2 more reports and they are done.Quote:
Originally Posted by metswon69
If the public knew that reporting an office would lead to their dismissal they would take it more seriously. There is nothing wrong with the public being in control of who polices them.
In the past in Oakland police officers would get the city to pay their rent if they lived in the worst neighborhoods and agreed to be publicly visible and involved in the community.
I tried, no luck. I asked them to maybe not get so offended, they replied, "the ****," and that was that.Quote:
Originally Posted by flips333
You would think this logic applies to the muslim ban as well..Quote:
Originally Posted by Brewersfan255
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I think the vetting process to be hired should be more thorough but I do agree they are put into active duty too soon. That said, this cop had a ton of experience and still did what he did. I think the tactics for necessary force need to change as well. When someone is put in a position where they are of no danger, the cops should find less restrictive techniques than knees in the back or knees in the neck. I think mandatory psychological evaluations should be common, whether they are easy to master or not (I dont think its as easy as you let on), it gives their bosses a better idea of what the officer is dealing with, who they are, and how those things can affect the ability for those officers to do their jobs coherently.Quote:
Originally Posted by Scoots
Again, the issue with citizen complaints (especially in larger cities) is many people in minority concentrated communities dont like or trust cops and for good reason. Some of those complaints are going to be without merit but its hard to believe all of them were for this officer.
I do like the idea of cops living in communities with higher crime but its difficult to convince them to do so.
There are no full proof methods but what they are doing now is not working.
What muslim ban?Quote:
Originally Posted by nastynice
The one the entire world dreamed up together...Quote:
Originally Posted by Scoots
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The tactics cops use were dramatically simplified when they went from 9 to 12 months of training down to 1.Quote:
Originally Posted by metswon69
A cop with tons of bad experience doesn't make for a better cop. It's the training up front that sets the foundation for a better police force.
I did say serious complaints. Complaints that stand up to some level of investigation, but with the presumption that the citizen is telling the truth. The citizen complaints thing needs to be advertised to the community to build that trust. If they keep complaining about police they will keep getting new police and the quality may go down. It will find an equilibrium.
Also, part of the solution has to be getting money out of policing as that often drives the perspective of the police and the community they police.
Free housing is fairly enticing, but a cop with a family is not likely to choose it. A cop buddy of mine who took advantage of it after his divorce had a significant effect on the crime rate in his neighborhood as the older members of the community started defending the police to the younger generations and some of the parents would threaten to (and some did) call Officer Mike to come talk to their kids. He was a 6'5" white guy with a big cop mustache living in the projects in Oakland, the neighborhood knew him for him walking his tiny papillon dog at all hours of the day and night.
Based on the population of muslims in the world it REALLY didn't work.Quote:
Originally Posted by nastynice
I thought the bigot ban being illegal is why it didnt work.. ?Quote:
Originally Posted by Scoots
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Well, that's the problem- they are not good ones then. They're just as terrible.Quote:
Originally Posted by dbroncos78087
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Is there anything illegal worldwide?Quote:
Originally Posted by nastynice
Well if they shortened those programs, that's certainly a big part of the problem. Cops need more training, not less. Both in terms of physical force and techniques for de-escalation.Quote:
Originally Posted by Scoots
True but cops can pick up bad habits along the way just because of the lack of checks and balances. The PBA unions and blue wall protections are so strong that these guys get way too comfortable not doing things by the book. That has to change as well.
I agree but we don't know the extent of those complaints. If they come to find out they were serious claims, then you wonder what he was still doing on the force. With a dozen complaints, the odds are very good something wasn't done that should have been. That's a failure of the force and it happens far too often.
Eh, I dont think free housing is enough incentive to live in a neighborhood where the serious crime rate is significantly higher than the surrounding communities. For some cops, sure, but I think they can find more incentive for cops to consider living in those neighborhoods. Either way, its a good start. Many of these white cops only come across minorities when they are arresting them. Surely, its not going to make for handling things correctly.
No, illegal in America. Worldwide some places are illegal, some legal.Quote:
Originally Posted by Scoots
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If a cop has a certain amount of complaints against he should lose his job because it’s all ready a pattern.Quote:
Originally Posted by metswon69
The training was shortened ironically when Biden's bill pushed through federal incentives for police forces to grow dramatically, and once they were so big they needed to churn the money to keep them going so the training never went back. Talked to the former training officer for LAPD and he HATED it.Quote:
Originally Posted by metswon69
Yes, bad cops spawn more bad cops. We need to stop hiring new cops, shrink the forces, and get rid of the bad ones.
Public complaints get a lot easier to deal with with mandatory on-duty cameras too.
Free housing isn't enough for family cops, but the single ones I could see it working. Don't really know what other easy incentives cities can have. I guess a "performance bonus" could get some more doing it.
It's a real shame some places are illegal.Quote:
Originally Posted by nastynice
It can't just be number ... some people complain about every officer interaction.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sick Of It All
These police officers were 100% wrong and there is no justifying what they did.
Just to touch on a couple of quick points that I've seen made over the past couple of pages. The idea of having every cop have mandatory yearly psych evaluation is great but very unlikely to happen.
Also, I think an increase in salary would do wonders to improve the quality of people that are applying to these jobs. Alot of it really does come down to money.
Truth.Quote:
Originally Posted by Scoots
Pay is a big one.Quote:
Originally Posted by hughest4
An easy way to increase pay is to reduce the number of officers. Cut the forces in half and double the pay.Quote:
Originally Posted by hughest4
I'm glad it's illegal in america.Quote:
Originally Posted by Scoots
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Depends on the merit and how serious (the latter Scoots referred to) the complaints are. I see Chauvin actually had 13 complaints against him since 2003 but all of them were closed without discipline. What that means we don't know. In fact, he received a medal of valor from his department in 2009.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sick Of It All
The problem with the blue wall is lack of transparency. We also know officers cover up for other officers.
https://www.kare11.com/article/news/...7-b25dc201fc24
The officer with the next most seniority (Tou Thao) had 6 complaints against him with one that is still open. He has also been sued for excessive force. The other 2 guys were new relatively new hires. One in 2017 and one in 2019. The odds of them saying anything was unlikely due to their lack of seniority. I'm not justifying their behavior, just trying to make sense of some of their inaction. Again, that's how the shield works. You don't correct a senior officer even if he is doing something seriously wrong and that mentality has to change.
It's legal everywhere.Quote:
Originally Posted by nastynice
What the hell?Quote:
Originally Posted by Scoots
The bigot ban is ILLEGAL in America, that's why trump had to push some water down version..
God bless America, sir
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The arrogance it takes for that officer to continue putting his knee in Floyd's neck even when being videotaped astounds me as well. Even if Floyd doesn't die, that officer is clearly okay with excessive force regardless of who is around him.
The problem is if Floyd doesn't die, all of those officers are suspended without pay and presumably put back on the force after the investigation concludes. The lack of ramifications is what empowers a lot of these cops. Its disgusting that someone's life has to be taken for action to be taken. I'm not even sold these officers will be charged or convicted either.
Nah ... it was just that Trump couldn't do THAT one. But Obama had a very similar ban and his wasn't struck down. It's more of a Trump is an idiot who can't shut his yap thing than an illegal thing.Quote:
Originally Posted by nastynice
You don’t get to bash people for looting and not protesting when you’d also bash people for protesting if it’s not a cause you believe in.Quote:
Originally Posted by Brewersfan255
Quit being part of the problem.