This is why they kneel

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Originally Posted by joeyc77

In speaking for that one black man, you assume you know his thoughts and feelings on the topic. You also assume to know the level of intensity involved in the conversation. Obviously, this is just my opinion, but it seems as though the man or someone called the black man a ******, and the white man tried to justify it by saying what he said. It didn't seem to be a civil discourse leading up to it.

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You notice how it didn't get violent until the white guy called that black man a ****** though, right? All that lack of civil discourse and it took one word to make that situation physical. I get that's just one interaction but like Valade said and we have argued, I'd bet a lot of black men feel that same anger and frustration when they hear the word coming from other races.

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Originally Posted by natepro

You're confusing two monuments to Forrest.

The one that was taken down was along the side of the highway in Tennesse, and it was taken down after the property owner died.

The one that is still there is in a cemetery in Selma, Alabama. It was installed in 2000.

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It’s understandable that people would mix up the multiple monuments to racists and racism. They’re still plentiful all over the south to subtly and not so subtly remind black people that they are viewed as second class citizens by some of their white neighbors.

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Originally Posted by joeyc77

That was my original comment. You posted an example and i found it to be on private property. Am i wrong?

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Am I wrong that it is a monument to a member of the KKK that people want removed?

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Originally Posted by metswon69

You notice how it didn't get violent until the white guy called that black man a ****** though, right? All that lack of civil discourse and it took one word to make that situation physical. I get that's just one interaction but like Valade said and we have argued, I'd bet a lot of black men feel that same anger and frustration when they hear the word coming from other races.

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Here's the issue i have with what you are saying: first you said "the white guy called the black man a ******" and then later you said "I'd bet a lot of black men feel that same anger and frustration when they hear the word coming from other races." Those are two different scenarios. If the first statement is true, the black mans reaction is warranted and justified. There are things you can say to anyone, of any race, to get a similar reaction. Probably not just one word but still. However, if your second statement is more accurate and the black man simply overheard the word being spoken in a matter of fact way by another race and reacted that way, he is wrong.

It's never acceptable to call a black person a ******, not even changing the last two letters. Your intentions may be as a friend but it's stupid. I remember when i was in my 20s, I coached 5th grade girls basketball at a school in my old neighborhood, so it was mostly black kids. One day i was having the girls help me name our Man offense and our Zone offense. I wanted words that began with the same letter that i could yell from the bench and not alert the opposing team. Well, for the Zone offense, one little girl suggested ****** but with a "Z" in front. But she innocently just said the word z*****. Now she was 11 and unaware of social queues. I had to explain to her that it wouldn't be appropriate for me to be yelling a word that rhymes with a racial slur at a group of young kids. Anyway, i think we settled on zebra. My point is, as innocent as this was, i could see parents being offended and rightfully so. Im not suggesting calling black people that word is in any way acceptable. I'm talking about the word itself in general conversation. I personally don't believe most black people just overreact to the word like it's a trigger word for a CIA operative. I think black people are smart enough to know someone's intentions, even if they are mistaken. But simply saying the word, especially when quoting someone, shouldn't be considered offensive.

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Originally Posted by natepro

Am I wrong that it is a monument to a member of the KKK that people want removed?

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When we say monument, we are referring to something in a public space owned by the government. In that case, people have the right to want something they find offensive to be removed. I think being offended by the ten commanments is silly. However, if an atheist is offended and wants a plaque removed from the wall of a courthouse, that's legit. But if the same plaque is hanging on someone's front door, the atheist mailman has no right to ask it to be removed. He can kick rocks....

Do you agree private property rights are more important than someone's perceived offense?

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Originally Posted by Crovash

You lie. That is not what at all what you said (or meant).

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that is what I said and meant.
maybe you were brainwashed that most police act like this, that is not reality, that is left wing media narrative.

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Originally Posted by SpecialFNK

that is what I said and meant.

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Originally Posted by SpecialFNK

it's surprising because despite media narrative, there are far more police that are not racist. media cherry picks stories to fit a narrative while often refusing to cover the far more good police and things they do.

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maybe you were brainwashed that most police act like this, that is not reality, that is left wing media narrative.

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You are blatant liar. Here’s what you wrote (to which I made my response).

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Originally Posted by SpecialFNK

the conduct of the officers here is surprising…0:25/0:26 when the officers arrive, the white teen is almost on top of the black teen. they shove the white teen on the couch, and the one officer then jumps on the black teen (0:28) that is already on the ground. the black teen is then handcuffed, while the white teen is just sitting there chilling on the couch and then even stands up.

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Originally Posted by joeyc77

Here's the issue i have with what you are saying: first you said "the white guy called the black man a ******" and then later you said "I'd bet a lot of black men feel that same anger and frustration when they hear the word coming from other races." Those are two different scenarios. If the first statement is true, the black mans reaction is warranted and justified. There are things you can say to anyone, of any race, to get a similar reaction. Probably not just one word but still. However, if your second statement is more accurate and the black man simply overheard the word being spoken in a matter of fact way by another race and reacted that way, he is wrong.

It's never acceptable to call a black person a ******, not even changing the last two letters. Your intentions may be as a friend but it's stupid. I remember when i was in my 20s, I coached 5th grade girls basketball at a school in my old neighborhood, so it was mostly black kids. One day i was having the girls help me name our Man offense and our Zone offense. I wanted words that began with the same letter that i could yell from the bench and not alert the opposing team. Well, for the Zone offense, one little girl suggested ****** but with a "Z" in front. But she innocently just said the word z*****. Now she was 11 and unaware of social queues. I had to explain to her that it wouldn't be appropriate for me to be yelling a word that rhymes with a racial slur at a group of young kids. Anyway, i think we settled on zebra. My point is, as innocent as this was, i could see parents being offended and rightfully so. Im not suggesting calling black people that word is in any way acceptable. I'm talking about the word itself in general conversation. I personally don't believe most black people just overreact to the word like it's a trigger word for a CIA operative. I think black people are smart enough to know someone's intentions, even if they are mistaken. But simply saying the word, especially when quoting someone, shouldn't be considered offensive.

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They aren't really two different scenarios. I'm saying that situation is not unique and neither is the reaction in most cases. The word has a specific power to it when other races choose to use it that doesn't exist when black people use it amongst their own.

In no way am I comfortable about it in any context in which black people aren't using it. I understand its part of a historical vernacular but there are ways to reference the inhumaneness of a racial slur without saying the word verbatim.

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Originally Posted by metswon69

They aren't really two different scenarios. I'm saying that situation is not unique and neither is the reaction in most cases. The word has a specific power to it when other races choose to use it that doesn't exist when black people use it amongst their own.

In no way am I comfortable about it in any context in which black people aren't using it. I understand its part of a historical vernacular but there are ways to reference the inhumaneness of a racial slur without saying the word verbatim.

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We need to realize that ending racism is a two-way street (and that's not a comment on black people being racist). What I mean is that in order for racism to truly end, first and foremost, white people need to stop being racist. But also, black people can not continue to perceive every wrongdoing or misgiving by white people as racist. Sometimes, people are just rude or ignorant for whatever reason. As for the word ******, i agree white people shouldn't be saying it or especially calling a black person it. But black people (and white liberals) need to not give the word so much power that it may cause a violent reaction by simply saying it. That only carries racism through another generation.

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Originally Posted by joeyc77

We need to realize that ending racism is a two-way street (and that's not a comment on black people being racist). What I mean is that in order for racism to truly end, first and foremost, white people need to stop being racist. But also, black people can not continue to perceive every wrongdoing or misgiving by white people as racist. Sometimes, people are just rude or ignorant for whatever reason. As for the word ******, i agree white people shouldn't be saying it or especially calling a black person it. But black people (and white liberals) need to not give the word so much power that it may cause a violent reaction by simply saying it. That only carries racism through another generation.

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You sure went from "say the word if you're an alpha male and mean it" to "white people shouldn't be saying it" pretty quickly.

Do you use your brain at all when you post or do you simply munch a handful of pills and post whatever world salad you can quickly vomit up?

I've used the n word ending in a all the time during High School. It was commonly used. No blacks ever took offense to it because we all knew the actual intent. I wouldn't dare use the word to others I didn't know so part of it is knowing when and where it is appropriate.

As for blacks having the right to use it, that's fine. But this is where you, as technically being in the spotlight, have to understand that others will look up and follow you. You can't listen to many hip hop songs without the n word being used today. So on one hand, blacks can't want their music to mainstream, e.g., catering to every race, but then be upset that these kids who don't know any better grow up and start using the word. It's gotta be a shift. These kids didn't know these words at birth. They likely grew accustomed to it by listening to hip hop and other kids around them using it nonchalantly. Responsibility on both sides.

And as much as you dislike it, racism is part of free speech. You are allowed to be racist in America. That's just the reality of it. Being violent towards someone who is racist is still uncalled for.

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Originally Posted by joeyc77

When we say monument, we are referring to something in a public space owned by the government. In that case, people have the right to want something they find offensive to be removed. I think being offended by the ten commanments is silly. However, if an atheist is offended and wants a plaque removed from the wall of a courthouse, that's legit. But if the same plaque is hanging on someone's front door, the atheist mailman has no right to ask it to be removed. He can kick rocks....

Do you agree private property rights are more important than someone's perceived offense?

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Well, first I'd have to know what a "perceived offense" is.

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Originally Posted by natepro

Well, first I'd have to know what a "perceived offense" is.

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It's your perception that black people are offended by such a monument.

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Originally Posted by joeyc77

It's your perception that black people are offended by such a monument.

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https://www.google.com/amp/s/mobile....88C1LA20120913

They are. That you’d even have to question whether there are black people offended by a KKK statue is pretty stunning.

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Originally Posted by valade16

https://www.google.com/amp/s/mobile....88C1LA20120913

They are. That you’d even have to question whether there are black people offended by a KKK statue is pretty stunning.

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Directly from your article:

"The African-American mayor of the majority black city has declined to revoke a building permit held by the Friends of Forrest.

"We thought it would be good for tourism. Our Civil War and Civil Rights history brings a lot of people to Selma,""