This is why they kneel

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Originally Posted by spliff(TONE)

So despite the people you are arguing with saying they merely think the federal minimum wage is overdue for a little boost and that $15/hr is a starting point for negotiations, you have gone from saying people are being too vague with what they think a reasonable figure is, to pretending like we're all saying $15/hr or bust, to now pulling $30/hr out of your *** as if that figure is at all relative to the conversation at hand?

You're making it crystal clear that your only intention in this conversation is to make hilariously misguided rants because you're convinced society as we know it will crumble to pieces if the poorest people in this country make a few bucks more an hour than they currently do.

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Ok so let’s negotiate. You start at $15 minimum wage. I’ll start at a penny. Maybe we can call each other names and talk about who’s dad would win in a fight too. Or we could act like adults and negotiate reasonably.

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Originally Posted by joeyc77

Minimum wage just incentivizes corporations to hire more workers at that level, so yes, it keeps wages low. We both understand corporations are greedy, the difference is, I understand it’s their purpose. Corporations only exist to make money for the owners/shareholders. If they can get away with paying a minimum wage, of course they will. If the minimum wage is raised above an amount they are comfortable with, they will eliminate minimum wage jobs through layoffs and technology. How does this benefit all minimum wage employees? Prices will inevitably increase as well. So some people will lose their jobs and everyone will pay higher prices. If we eliminate the minimum wage or in the very least make it a state/local line instead of a federal one, corporations will consider the quality of the worker they hire at higher wages, instead of the quantity they can hire at the minimum.

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So your genuine belief is if we got rid of the minimum wage employers would use less workers but pay those workers more?

If that were better for them financially... why don’t they just do that now? Minimum wage certainly isn’t stopping them.

And you understand that if corporations can get away with paying a minimum wage they will, but you don’t think if corporations can get away with paying less than minimum wage they will? That doesn’t make any sense.

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Originally Posted by joeyc77

Ok so let’s negotiate. You start at $15 minimum wage. I’ll start at a penny. Maybe we can call each other names and talk about who’s dad would win in a fight too. Or we could act like adults and negotiate reasonably.

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You have not once negotiated, let alone reasonably. Because you want to abolish the minimum wage, so you’re fundamentally opposed to even that penny being added to the minimum wage. You then accused Liberals of being impossible to negotiate with because of their demands. You are a parody at this point.

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Originally Posted by valade16

Honestly I should have guessed he’s not religious given his total disinterest in helping anyone but himself (especially the poor).

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How am I helping myself? I’m by no means wealthy nor do I own a company. Lol.

I actually believe you don’t understand the harm you are advocating for poor people.

I just bought a place cash. Even if I had a mortgage I'd still make more money renting the place vs. monthly payment + . 700 is dirt cheap for rent. You basically have to pay like 2k to share in NYC and you have no shot at all to own.

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Originally Posted by joeyc77

How am I helping myself? I’m by no means wealthy nor do I own a company. Lol.

I actually believe you don’t understand the harm you are advocating for poor people.

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I actually believe you have deluded yourself into thinking if the poor get any more money it hurts them. You’re telling me if the poor made $9.25 instead of $7.25 an hour they’d be worse off? And if they made $6.25 they’d be better off?

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Originally Posted by fingerbang

I just bought a place cash. Even if I had a mortgage I'd still make more money renting the place vs. monthly payment + . 700 is dirt cheap for rent. You basically have to pay like 2k to share in NYC and you have no shot at all to own.

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Why are still comparing NYC to Wyoming? I’ll ask again: how well do you think someone in Wyoming is living off $7.25 an hour?

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Originally Posted by valade16

So your genuine belief is if we got rid of the minimum wage employers would use less workers but pay those workers more?

If that were better for them financially... why don’t they just do that now? Minimum wage certainly isn’t stopping them.

And you understand that if corporations can get away with paying a minimum wage they will, but you don’t think if corporations can get away with paying less than minimum wage they will? That doesn’t make any sense.

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At some point, workers will not entertain a job at a certain wage so $2 an hr isn’t going to cut it. The minimum wage gives corporations at out. They can offer minimum wage, attract a higher quantity of lower level employee and sacrifice quality. Currently, corporations don’t even need to consider quality of employees. They just consider quantity at the minimum wage required of them.

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Originally Posted by valade16

I actually believe you have deluded yourself into thinking if the poor get any more money it hurts them. You’re telling me if the poor made $9.25 instead of $7.25 an hour they’d be worse off? And if they made $6.25 they’d be better off?

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No because prices would not decrease. Workers could work for free but companies are not going to lower prices. I’m not sure if prices would increase at $9.25 an hr but at some amount, they certainly will.

Do we both agree that corporations are greedy and their only purpose is to make money for shareholders and owners?

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Originally Posted by valade16

Why are still comparing NYC to Wyoming? I’ll ask again: how well do you think someone in Wyoming is living off $7.25 an hour?

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I compare it to Wyoming because it's one of the states with the lowest minimum wage, lol. I recently left NY for Florida and everyone makes fun of Florida but you know what, the price of living kicks the ****ing **** out of NY. I got a great deal and I'm happy to be gone. It's so much better. I'm still 10 minutes from the beach, actually now a minute (I was on LI) and everything's just as good. Taxes are amazing. Still has a city feel.

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Originally Posted by joeyc77

At some point, workers will not entertain a job at a certain wage so $2 an hr isn’t going to cut it. The minimum wage gives corporations at out. They can offer minimum wage, attract a higher quantity of lower level employee and sacrifice quality. Currently, corporations don’t even need to consider quality of employees. They just consider quantity at the minimum wage required of them.

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I get the concept you’re talking about, but minimum wage isn’t forcing them to do that. If it were better for them financially to do as you claim they’d be doing it right now.

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Originally Posted by joeyc77

No because prices would not decrease. Workers could work for free but companies are not going to lower prices. I’m not sure if prices would increase at $9.25 an hr but at some amount, they certainly will.

Do we both agree that corporations are greedy and their only purpose is to make money for shareholders and owners?

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We do

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Originally Posted by fingerbang

I compare it to Wyoming because it's one of the states with the lowest minimum wage, lol. I recently left NY for Florida and everyone makes fun of Florida but you know what, the price of living kicks the ****ing **** out of NY. I got a great deal and I'm happy to be gone. It's so much better. I'm still 10 minutes from the beach, actually now a minute (I was on LI) and everything's just as good. Taxes are amazing. Still has a city feel.

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Which coast are you near? The Atlantic or the Gulf? I visited a town outside Tampa and it was awesome.

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Originally Posted by joeyc77

Ok so let’s negotiate. You start at $15 minimum wage. I’ll start at a penny. Maybe we can call each other names and talk about who’s dad would win in a fight too. Or we could act like adults and negotiate reasonably.

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You're a crack-up (and have no idea what equates to a reasonable negotiation). :laugh2:

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Originally Posted by valade16

Which coast are you near? The Atlantic or the Gulf? I visited a town outside Tampa and it was awesome.

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I'm in West Palm. I love the gulf though. My mom had a place in Destin in the "redneck riviera". It's paradise. Nicest people on the planet. Very little industry there unfortunately. I'd retire there.