This is why they kneel

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Originally Posted by Sluggo1

Does all this change have to come from one side??? I think one side has changed as much as is humanly possible.

Shouldn't both sides change and try to meet in the middle??? I do not think that has happened.

If there is a difference in: income, stature, living conditions, education……should the objective be to move the lower group up (this is what I think) or to bring the higher group down (this is what is happening).

My point is, and has been projected here numerous times, is that all that can be done for the lower classes of people in this country has been done. When does the lower class show more of an effort??? That's all I ever said. I just do not see it.

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Not even close, all that you are willing to do has been done.

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Originally Posted by benny01

Again, you just described systemic racism. Again, as with culture, I'm not sure you know what those words mean. I'll give an example.

I created a test to see how high kangaroos can jump. The results of the test tell me that a disproportionate amount of kangaroos named Joey did terribly or did fantastically on the test. The test is systemically joeyist. The who, what, where, why, and how of it makes no difference. All kangaroos are the same, so to imply that the kangaroos named Joey did better or worse because they are named joey would require me to believe that kangaroos named joey are either lesser or greater than kangaroos not named joey. That cant be true because all kangaroos are the same. So, the systemic joeyism must have another cause. Maybe I made the test so that Joey's had to start a foot farther back at the start, maybe joey's are catered to their entire lives because joey is a cool kangaroo name so now they are all fat. Doesnt matter, my test is still systemically joeyist.

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In your example, I would understand the prejudice. However, in 2020, there is no effort to make black people commit a higher percentage of murder. I’m commenting on the statistics and making judgements based them.

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Originally Posted by Sluggo1

Does all this change have to come from one side??? I think one side has changed as much as is humanly possible.

Shouldn't both sides change and try to meet in the middle??? I do not think that has happened.

If there is a difference in: income, stature, living conditions, education……should the objective be to move the lower group up (this is what I think) or to bring the higher group down (this is what is happening).

My point is, and has been projected here numerous times, is that all that can be done for the lower classes of people in this country has been done. When does the lower class show more of an effort??? That's all I ever said. I just do not see it.

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And that is why you're wrong. No they have not.

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Originally Posted by valade16

And that is why you're wrong. No they have not.

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Baloney. Society has bent over backwards. And the reason that there is so much unrest today is that there is nothing else society can do, and the lower classes are still demanding more. Ain't gonna happen.

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Originally Posted by joeyc77

In your example, I would understand the prejudice. However, in 2020, there is no effort to make black people commit a higher percentage of murder. I’m commenting on the statistics and making judgements based them.

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This is your problem, you're assuming any inequities or systemic racism are deliberate.

If I discover that you have been prevented from starting a marathon after everyone else began 10 minutes ago and I say "let the man race" and allow you to start, I'm not nefariously holding you back by 10 minutes and I'm genuinely trying to allow you to run the race, however you starting 10 minutes back automatically guarantees you won't win the race or get ahead.

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Originally Posted by Sluggo1

Baloney. Society has bent over backwards. And the reason that there is so much unrest today is that there is nothing else society can do, and the lower classes are still demanding more. Ain't gonna happen.

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As evidenced by you? :laugh2:

As for the unrest in society today, it's actually not any different than what the lower classes demanded in 2009, or the 1992 King riots, or the 1970's. It's literally the same points. And geriatrics like you said "we've done all we can" in 2008, 1992, 1970's, etc. despite actually having done nothing.

You're all talk, no action.

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Originally Posted by spliff(TONE)

Not sure I'm seeing why a white person that looks like a gang member would be more approachable than a black person that looks like a gang member or why a black hillbilly looking guy would be more approachable than his white counterpart.

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Joey believes lots of stupid things. He believes that believing lots of stupid things makes the stupid racist things he believes morally justifiable


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Originally Posted by joeyc77

It’s part of the culture in the Inner city black community for sure. It’s not black males. I don’t see a black doctor and think he’s less than a white doctor. I just see a doctor.

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If he’s not wearing a stethoscope you see a criminal though


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Originally Posted by valade16

This is your problem, you're assuming any inequities or systemic racism are deliberate.

If I discover that you have been prevented from starting a marathon after everyone else began 10 minutes ago and I say "let the man race" and allow you to start, I'm not nefariously holding you back by 10 minutes and I'm genuinely trying to allow you to run the race, however you starting 10 minutes back automatically guarantees you won't win the race or get ahead.

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Your example infers black people are help back in some way. I agree that poverty is a set back. But poverty is the same set back for white people as it is for black people. Skin color is not an advantage for poor white people. Skin color is not a disadvantage for poor black people.

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Originally Posted by ewing

If he’s not wearing a stethoscope you see a criminal though


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Sure if he’s young and hanging out in the hood on the street corner. Let’s say I make the assumption he could be dangerous. How does this change his life?

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Originally Posted by ewing

Joey believes lots of stupid things. He believes that believing lots of stupid things makes the stupid racist things he believes morally justifiable


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It has nothing to do with morality. It has to do with logic and statistics.

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Originally Posted by joeyc77

Your example infers black people are help back in some way. I agree that poverty is a set back. But poverty is the same set back for white people as it is for black people. Skin color is not an advantage for poor white people. Skin color is not a disadvantage for poor black people.

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No, it assumes they were held back. Which they objectively were. You are currently the guy at the end of the race saying the reason the black guy didn’t win is because he wasn’t as fast because the guy at the race allowed him to run, even though he didn’t do it until 10 mins into the race...

This is where we fundamentally disagree, you don’t think skin color is a disadvantage in this country, you are wrong.

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It has nothing to do with morality. It has to do with logic and statistics.

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When you use either let us know.

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Originally Posted by joeyc77

Sure if he’s young and hanging out in the hood on the street corner. Let’s say I make the assumption he could be dangerous. How does this change his life?

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It has nothing to do with morality. It has to do with logic and statistics.

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Again, this is systemic racism.

Like valade said, it's not necessarily deliberate or on purpose, but it is real and it has real effects on the lives of real people. We want to minimize these effects. So bringing awareness to this is a very key part of the puzzle.

I'm genuinely saying this to you so you may understand and learn the other perspective, not as an attack.

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Why is it that the NRA never fights for black peoples’ rights to own a gun?