This is why they kneel

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Originally Posted by joeyc77

Public sector unions need to go. Unions were created to stop corporations from taking advantage of their workers. Why do police, teachers, bus drivers, etc need unions? These unions only create a pack mentality in the workforce. Bad police, bad teachers, etc need to be fired without a hassle.

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the government

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Police tactics need to be overhauled? Like police reform? That thing that's been called for over the last several decades?

Police need to start holding themselves accountable lol. Like they're just going to magically do that?

Police funnel money for "community issues" from other local departments. Take public health for example. They cut services and use the money to line their pockets or to pay the salaries of suspended pigs.

Prison reform? Spending more money on the prison population? Isn't that privatized in the US though? You expect a privatized prison system who's only purpose is to benefit off prisoners to actually spend more money to help the prisoners?

You live in a fantasy World lol.

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I love posts like this.

People say I have my head in the sand…I hope they read your post.

Everything I mentioned requires something called CHANGE. Everything I mentioned are aspects that many, if not ,most, people would tend to go along with. And if ever there was a time ripe for change and different thinking it is the present.

But to you it is fantasy world.

OK…you have the floor. Your suggestions are……………

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Originally Posted by joeyc77

Public sector unions need to go. Unions were created to stop corporations from taking advantage of their workers. Why do police, teachers, bus drivers, etc need unions? These unions only create a pack mentality in the workforce. Bad police, bad teachers, etc need to be fired without a hassle.

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I don't really care for unions but they are not going to go away. I could live with a few simple common sense changes that the typical working stiff would understand and accept.

……Eliminate 20 year retirements. The fact that you can do this is absurd.
……Pension based on base pay (not gross pay with ridiculous OT) of final year's salary. If you make $1,000 a week your pension should be based on $52,000 annual salary
……Limit how many sick days and vacation days you can "bank" to be paid off when you retire. One year of each should be plenty. This is also ridiculous. (My sister retired from a clerk's job and received a check in excess of $40K for unused sick and vacation days. Plus her pension.) In essence this is used as a retirement bonus. And why should you be paid for unused sick days at all???
……Uniform allowance - instead of giving them cash, cities should just give them the uniforms. Lost of these guys take the cash and never buy the uniforms

The problem with municipal unions is that the people that are negotiating from management's side (usually politicians) have no skin in the game. It's not their money they are giving up. Voters don't remember or realize any of this. Even private sector unions have to answer to boards of directors and stockholders. Municipal unions have no such accountability.

The LA teachers union us negotiating topics that have nothing to do with the teachers union. How ridiculous is that.

Guess what happens enough as it is but would happen FAR more if sick leave were NOT paid out (in most gov't jobs there's either a max number or max percentage...it's not 100%).........far Far FAR too often you end up with people who are often 'not feeling well' on Fridays and Mondays...utilizing their bank of sick leave as a way to save up vacation time. We had a gal in my office who was getting away with that for years....rarely used vacation time, but sick leave rarely built up to more than a few days before she'd have another brief 'illness'........but she had plenty of vacation time paid out to her when she resigned.

Man, if I was able to retire for 20 years I could sure find plenty of things I'd like to be able to do...

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Guess what happens enough as it is but would happen FAR more if sick leave were NOT paid out (in most gov't jobs there's either a max number or max percentage...it's not 100%).........far Far FAR too often you end up with people who are often 'not feeling well' on Fridays and Mondays...utilizing their bank of sick leave as a way to save up vacation time. We had a gal in my office who was getting away with that for years....rarely used vacation time, but sick leave rarely built up to more than a few days before she'd have another brief 'illness'........but she had plenty of vacation time paid out to her when she resigned.

Man, if I was able to retire for 20 years I could sure find plenty of things I'd like to be able to do...

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Lee Iacocca in his book made the point that auto workers with the most experience and value are retiring after twenty years and becoming cab drivers and are being replaced by cab drivers with no experience. His valid point made me stop and think

(Before everyone goes nuts, use the term "cab driver" to refer to an entry level, no experience position.)

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Lee Iacocca in his book made the point that auto workers with the most experience and value are retiring after twenty years and becoming cab drivers and are being replaced by cab drivers with no experience. His valid point made me stop and think

(Before everyone goes nuts, use the term "cab driver" to refer to an entry level, no experience position.)

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What happens in a lot of situations is people reach the years where their pension is maxed out and their only incentive to keep working would be to increase their pension with a promotion. If they don't feel they'll get one or a significant increase in pay otherwise, with the years in they start burning out where they're at....and since it cuts into their pension if they retire and take a higher paying job, if they continue working they take a lower paying, lower stress job once they retire. I had a boss who worked for the government his entire adult life, retired at 55 with over 30 years in, then took a retail job with just enough hours to get insurance (he didn't care what he got paid, it was the insurance he was after).

Lee wasn't wrong, but the typical pension system is to blame. People live longer these days and those who can retire younger, which not only puts less experienced people in a lot of positions but puts that much more pressure on pension funds........similar to the pressure on the social security system with the baby boomers retiring

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What happens in a lot of situations is people reach the years where their pension is maxed out and their only incentive to keep working would be to increase their pension with a promotion. If they don't feel they'll get one or a significant increase in pay otherwise, with the years in they start burning out where they're at....and since it cuts into their pension if they retire and take a higher paying job, if they continue working they take a lower paying, lower stress job once they retire. I had a boss who worked for the government his entire adult life, retired at 55 with over 30 years in, then took a retail job with just enough hours to get insurance (he didn't care what he got paid, it was the insurance he was after).

Lee wasn't wrong, but the typical pension system is to blame. People live longer these days and those who can retire younger, which not only puts less experienced people in a lot of positions but puts that much more pressure on pension funds........similar to the pressure on the social security system with the baby boomers retiring

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I agree.

I was a member of two unions in my time (one for only 2 mos, one for about 8 mos) and I hated every minute of it. Constant us vs them attitude. Just awful.

My first job ever was a union job (3 years) and I loved it. Having a rep as an advocate for your pay and well being was invaluable when a kid would otherwise just be abused by the dollar squeezing of a corporation.

Unions certainly can become corrupt or skewed in power like we see with some teachers unions, teamsters and police. But there are areas where they are essential and it’s sad to see them going extinct.

Especially in a time like now when hourly workers are being forced to sacrifice safety and health (without significant coverage) and be overworked, knowing the alternative is a massive unemployment market.

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Originally Posted by GGGGG-Men

My first job ever was a union job (3 years) and I loved it. Having a rep as an advocate for your pay and well being was invaluable when a kid would otherwise just be abused by the dollar squeezing of a corporation.

Unions certainly can become corrupt or skewed in power like we see with some teachers unions, teamsters and police. But there are areas where they are essential and it’s sad to see them going extinct.

Especially in a time like now when hourly workers are being forced to sacrifice safety and health (without significant coverage) and be overworked, knowing the alternative is a massive unemployment market.

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Bold 1………Bob Cratchett, is that you??? How's Tiny Tim doing???

Bold 2……Yeah, but let's have open borders. All are welcome.

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I agree.

I was a member of two unions in my time (one for only 2 mos, one for about 8 mos) and I hated every minute of it. Constant us vs them attitude. Just awful.

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Sounds like your go to political stance, lol



..and religious, and racial...
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Originally Posted by Sluggo1

I agree.

I was a member of two unions in my time (one for only 2 mos, one for about 8 mos) and I hated every minute of it. Constant us vs them attitude. Just awful.

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lol yeah you are normally a unifier


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Bold 1………Bob Cratchett, is that you??? How's Tiny Tim doing???

Bold 2……Yeah, but let's have open borders. All are welcome.

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Nobody is asking for open borders.


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Originally Posted by flips333

the government

of them.

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So the govt should be in control of healthcare and the only ones to have firearms but we can’t trust them to pay a fair wage? Seems legit...

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Originally Posted by GGGGG-Men

My first job ever was a union job (3 years) and I loved it. Having a rep as an advocate for your pay and well being was invaluable when a kid would otherwise just be abused by the dollar squeezing of a corporation.

Unions certainly can become corrupt or skewed in power like we see with some teachers unions, teamsters and police. But there are areas where they are essential and it’s sad to see them going extinct.

Especially in a time like now when hourly workers are being forced to sacrifice safety and health (without significant coverage) and be overworked, knowing the alternative is a massive unemployment market.

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In my early 20s, I worked in a union doing data entry. 6 months into the job, we had to sign a new contract. The people who had been into the job for years wanted higher pay and better healthcare. I tried to explain to them that literally anyone could do our job, so asking for a $5 an hour raise and full benefits wasn’t likely. Also, unlike teachers or nurses no one would give a **** if we went on strike. But of course the rebel rousers, who conveniently get paid while we were out on strike, convinced everyone otherwise. So we rejected the company’s contract offer and went out on strike. 3 days later, when the company didn’t budge because they had replaced us with short term hires, we approved the first original offer.... yeah, unions are so needed.

Can we make a thread for made up Union stories?
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