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No, I was hoping that someone could come up with a rational reason for someone to stand arm in front of their homes. To often people feel empowered by having a weapon thus do foolish things they otherwise wouldn't do.Quote:
Originally Posted by SiteWolf
Plus, It seems like it is a growing thing with people pushing back on protesters with guns. Oh, I am sure they all got a legit reasons to push back with guns.
Oh, I know....the mindset of 'you'll take my gun when you pry it from my cold dead hands' is so ludicrous to me...fine, own a gun, I can understand......but there are too many with a frigging arsenal and a mindset to defend at all costs, even tho, I dunno..which do you value more, your family's life or your property.Quote:
Originally Posted by WES445
But to stand in front of your house, especially otherwise unprovoked? umm, no...
It's another version of catching more flies with honey than vinegar........you're more likely to get into an altercation if you act like you WANT one than if you don't
So you use numbers one way without even having a specific % of young black men who have done this in doing so (the only area you even present any data but not complete as I don't think you can get the actual full cop data of violence based on what you said there)?Quote:
Originally Posted by joeyc77
So the answer is this is not based on data it is based on your opinion/interpretation of some very incomplete data you wish to use to push your narrative.
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Originally Posted by WES445
can you support that it was public place?Quote:
Originally Posted by WES445
places have been burned, with looting and violence. understandable that people are goign to want to defend their property. this isn't isolated, there have been people with guns protecting their property from rioting, including black businesses.
when "protesters" turn into rioters people are justified in taking counter action.
the incident with the armed couple is more about civil unrest, but since this is where it;s been talked about okay..
https://thepostmillennial.com/st-lou...ple-speaks-out
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Armed St. Louis couple who defended their home from angry mob speaks out
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UPDATE: St. Louis police are investigating the mob for trespassing and fourth-degree assault by intimidation.
Hundreds of protestors called for the resignation of St. Louis Mayor Lyda Krewson on Sunday night as they made their way to her house chanting “resign Lyda, take the cops with you.”
As the protest went by, a couple stepped out of their home carrying guns at about 7:30 p.m. Mark McClosky, 63, was carrying a rifle while his wife Patricia, 61, had a handgun which she pointed at the protestors.
The group of approximately 300 protestors gathered after Mayor Kewson gave out the names and addresses of activists pushing for police reform. Krewson released the information over Facebook Live on Friday afternoon, reports KMOV4.
The two are personal-injury lawyers and work at the McCloskey Law Center in the city. Many are criticizing the couple online while others are showing them support.
Mark McCloskey said he and his family were eating dinner as the protestors passed through an iron gate that said “Private Street” and “No Trespassing.”
this about the mainstream media, typically with their own agenda..Quote:
"A mob of at least 100 smashed through the historic wrought iron gates of Portland Place, destroying them, rushed towards my home where my family was having dinner outside and put us in fear of our lives," McCloskey said.
"This is all private property. There are no public sidewalks or public streets. We were told that we would be killed, our home burned and our dog killed. We were all alone facing an angry mob."
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Many mainstream media reports about the incident painted the couple in a negative light and failed to disclose that the mob were uttering violent threats and trespassing on private property.
In the data I am using, I’m not extrapolating apples from oranges. Yes, I’m using some interpretation but it’s of fixed data. Police brutality is less of an issue than violent crime. That’s not a stretch in the used data.Quote:
Originally Posted by mngopher35
No one was harmed, no property destruction occur, so the white couple in front of their mansion with guns is a bunch of fools.Quote:
Originally Posted by SpecialFNK
Why not get a podcast and called it "When Protesters turn into rioters" cause everyone knows it takes little for a protester to turn bad.
there was destruction to a gate.Quote:
Originally Posted by WES445
why did nothing more happen. you don't know what could have happened if they were not armed, could have been the same thing as multiple other places where protesters turning into rioters. this has actually happened before.
What do you mean? You haven't actually given data of police brutality vs violent crime rates (you said specifically black males too) and it is a complete stretch to come to this conclusion based on the little shared here.Quote:
Originally Posted by joeyc77
The claim you made was " Violent crime vs violence abuses of power the % is higher among inner city black males than in the police force.". You haven't shown either of those %'s yet in any real way with data.
You can look up data for yourself. I feel like I’ve shown enough data. Yes, finding numbers on police brutality is difficult, if not impossible. Not just because of the thin blue line but also because of so many false claims of brutality. It’s a double edged sword.Quote:
Originally Posted by mngopher35
Are you suggesting that we’d be better off without a police force in inner cities? I’m suggesting we’d be better off without violent criminals in inner cities.
Hey, a politician.Quote:
Originally Posted by joeyc77
No I am just showing that you have an opinion young black males are dangerous but not police based on those types of %'s and despite claiming it is based on data you now clearly admit we don't actually have it so it can't really be.Quote:
Originally Posted by joeyc77
Many have pointed out in various threads how you seem to have bias towards certain groups of people and against others and different standards within. It seemed like that comment may be less data based despite your claim is what I was getting at, it could be used as another example of how your opinions often seem very one sided with various standards that you wouldn't accept in other situations.
Yes, we do know, little person. All the other people who stay in their mansion and nothing happen to them. Unless you heard of their neighborhood being dragged out of their homes, you are just spreading fear and hysteria all the way from your parent's basement in Canada.Quote:
Originally Posted by SpecialFNK
Protesters don't turn into looters/rioters. This isn't some werewolves story. How about a racist is a fully self-realize republican?
If you believe America has an issue with gun violence than you also have to believe there is an issue with young black males in the US with violent crime. Young black males commit the majority of gun violence/murders in the US. I’m not suggesting this has anything to do with race, outside of the centuries of oppression/racism black people faced in the US. However, failing to recognize the dangers of inner cities is horrible for everyone, especially the black people who live in these inner cities among the violence.Quote:
Originally Posted by mngopher35
Are young black males dangerous to white people? No, certainly not statistically but failing to recognize the danger is a form of racism.
Failing to recognize the issues with our police system is horrible for everyone as well is the counter. You only are focused on this one way.Quote:
Originally Posted by joeyc77