This is why they kneel

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Originally Posted by joeyc77

Well I was raised near Philadelphia so yes, I would have been on the side of anti slavery during the civil war. The civil war was as much about were you lived than anything else. People didn’t “choose sides” based on morality

I’ve also said this before but I grew up in a predominantly black neighborhood. Martin Luther King lived in the same area for a few years and he was honored often. Ive watched or participated in many events doing so.

I know you need to feel superior to others. I know you believe not everyone shares your exact morality so you must help them repent. But as I said previously, you are not needed.

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Amazing how you can have such a close connection with the black community and oppose every black issue. Almost as if you’re a liar.

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Originally Posted by valade16

First, literally no one is against black lives? Obviously you’ve never heard of the kkk. Your ignorance here tells me you’re probably Ignorant about most of this subject

Second, it’s a good analogy because obviously you have no counter. Can you name a single other instance where someone saying something made you feel they’re ere insinuating you didn’t believe it and got angry and decided even though you agree with them you were going to oppose them?

Third, you never answered my question; are you really arguing that the reason people disagree with BLM is because they agree with it?

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First... come on dude.

Second, Who said I was angry? But for those who did, if someone insinuated that your don't believe black live matter... I'm sure you'd get mad.

Third, I didn't think you relay wanted a response to such a ridiculous assumption. No, I don't think People against BLM agree with BLM.

When BLM makes the statement at "Black Lives Matter", do you not agree that they are saying much more than black lives matter? Or do you really believe they are just making a "water is wet" statement?

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Originally Posted by The20thK

You're really bad at this analogy thing... It makes it difficult to respond because it doesn't seem like you understand.

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Nah, you guys just don’t know what logic (or analogies) are. His argument of “if we take down Lee do we then take down Lincoln” is called Reducto Ad Absurdum and it means to take the argument to its most extreme.

If he’s saying if we take down one statue we will take down them all, then does that logic hold true for anything else, like say laws?

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Originally Posted by valade16

Do you think black people are discriminated against in this country?

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Yes they are but no more than anyone else. And by that I mean, it is possible to run into anyone of any race on any given day in any given city that doesn't like you for what color you are. Black people experience, White people experience it, Asian and Hispanics experience it.

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Originally Posted by The20thK

First... come on dude.

Second, Who said I was angry? But for those who did, if someone insinuated that your don't believe black live matter... I'm sure you'd get mad.

Third, I didn't think you relay wanted a response to such a ridiculous assumption. No, I don't think People against BLM agree with BLM.

When BLM makes the statement at "Black Lives Matter", do you not agree that they are saying much more than black lives matter? Or do you really believe they are just making a "water is wet" statement?

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First, come on what? You made a false statement, did you not expect to be called out on it?

Second, Who is insinuating you don’t believe Black Lives Matter? How is phrase insinuating it?

Third, So if people who are against BLM don’t believe BLM then why did you say everyone believes black lives matter if people against it don’t believe it? Lol

. They are saying more in terms of the inequality black people face in this country. They are not saying that everyone doesn’t believe Black Lives Matter. In fact, the easiest way for them to tell if someone believes Black Lives Matter is for someone to say Black Lives Matter.


Finally: are you against BLM?

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Originally Posted by The20thK

Yes they are but no more than anyone else. And by that I mean, it is possible to run into anyone of any race on any given day in any given city that doesn't like you for what color you are. Black people experience, White people experience it, Asian and Hispanics experience it.

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This is the nexus of your dispute. You disagree with BLM and what they are saying.

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Originally Posted by valade16

Nah, you guys just don’t know what logic (or analogies) are. His argument of “if we take down Lee do we then take down Lincoln” is called Reducto Ad Absurdum and it means to take the argument to its most extreme.

If he’s saying if we take down one statue we will take down them all, then does that logic hold true for anything else, like say laws?

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You equated taking down statues with legalizing murder. They may both be the same logical fallacies but that's all they have in common.

For instance, If you had to guess which was more plausible, taking down Lincolns statue or legalizing murder, which do you think is more likely to happen?

Why do I feel like 20K is about to bust out “All Lives Matter”

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Originally Posted by valade16

This is the nexus of your dispute. You disagree with BLM and what they are saying.

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Ive said as much. but I don't disagree that black lives matter, ALMOST no one does.

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Originally Posted by valade16

Why do I feel like 20K is about to bust out “All Lives Matter”

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I wont for the same reason I don't yell "Water is wet!"

I could turn the same logic on you though. If you get angry when someone says "All Lives Matter" then you must not believe that all lives matter.

or is something else being said when people claim "All Lives Matter"? And is that what you're actually against? The same way I am against BLM without being against black lives?

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Originally Posted by The20thK

You equated taking down statues with legalizing murder. They may both be the same logical fallacies but that's all they have in common.

For instance, If you had to guess which was more plausible, taking down Lincolns statue or legalizing murder, which do you think is more likely to happen?

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Well the Bolded was all I was trying to convey so seems the analogy was pretty good...

As for your question, well murder can be justified if it’s in self defense (though it no longer becomes murder), and murder of specific people has been legalized (or allowed) in many countries the past 100 years. I’d say they’re both fairly unlikely.

In fact, if you want to bring up the idea of likeliness, then you should hopefully agree taking down statues of confederate generals leading to the taking down of statues of Lincoln is VERY unlikely and it was a bad point to bring up given its unlikeliness.

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Originally Posted by Sluggo1

Not whitewashing anything.

The southern states are part of the country, they have a heritage that many are proud of. It doesn't matter to e one way or another.


Interesting point here……

When Colin Kapernack doesn't stand for the national anthem, we are told (and expected to believe) that his protest has nothing to do with disrespecting the American flag or the US.

But if a Southerner tells you that the Confederate flag has nothing to do with supporting slavery…you won't believe them.

Seems hypocritical to believe one and not the other..

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As ridiculous as ever. :clap:

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Originally Posted by Sluggo1

Gee a cogent, realistic thought.

How did that get in here????

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LOFL what a shock that you and FNK see eye to eye on things.

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Originally Posted by The20thK

I wont for the same reason I don't yell "Water is wet!"

I could turn the same logic on you though. If you get angry when someone says "All Lives Matter" then you must not believe that all lives matter.

or is something else being said when people claim "All Lives Matter"? And is that what you're actually against? The same way I am against BLM without being against black lives?

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I wouldn’t get angry if someone said all Lives Matter I’d it wasn’t a rebuttal to talking about Black Lives Matter, but I’ve literally never heard that. The only time someone brings up All Lives Matter is in response to Black Lives Matter, so I believe it’s disingenuous.

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Originally Posted by The20thK

Yes they are but no more than anyone else. And by that I mean, it is possible to run into anyone of any race on any given day in any given city that doesn't like you for what color you are. Black people experience, White people experience it, Asian and Hispanics experience it.

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Time for you to leave Disney World.