This is why they kneel

Can all the jewish people kneel during the black national anthem because of djax and all the other athletes that liked his post

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Originally Posted by Lil Rhody

Can all the jewish people kneel during the black national anthem because of djax and all the other athletes that liked his post

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Sure but I would advise against it unless you have better reasoning than "this one black guy said this thing and some other black people liked it"...

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Originally Posted by mngopher35

Sure but I would advise against it unless you have better reasoning than "this one black guy said this thing and some other black people liked it"...

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How about the whole slaves in Egypt thing......is that enough. **** no one has been more shitted on then the Jewish community

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Originally Posted by Lil Rhody

How about the whole slaves in Egypt thing......is that enough. **** no one has been more shitted on then the Jewish community

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I have no idea what slaves in Egypt have to do with the black national anthem played before American sporting events.

I never said Jewish people haven't been **** on but that doesn't mean Jewish people should start ******** on black people in some weird culture ware game you seem to be getting at either. If people want to protest the black anthem based on what D-Jax said is what you mentioned and I said they can but if that's the reasoning they should prepare for backlash as it is pretty ridiculous.

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Originally Posted by Lil Rhody

How about the whole slaves in Egypt thing......is that enough. **** no one has been more shitted on then the Jewish community

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I'm not a religious person. But if I am proven wrong on that count and there is a god, then there is no way that the chosen people aren't Jews. Because you're 100% right. All the stuff they've gone through is mindblowing. There are still far less Jews on the earth than there were pre-Hitler. That's ****ing insane!

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Originally Posted by mngopher35

I have no idea what slaves in Egypt have to do with the black national anthem played before American sporting events.

I never said Jewish people haven't been **** on but that doesn't mean Jewish people should start ******** on black people in some weird culture ware game you seem to be getting at either. If people want to protest the black anthem based on what D-Jax said is what you mentioned and I said they can but if that's the reasoning they should prepare for backlash as it is pretty ridiculous.

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Absolutely nothing which is really the end game point. Just like how I'm 3rd generation in this country but yet I'm at fault for issues since the 1700s



This is America damnit they don't ****ing care about anyone doesn't matter skin color sex or anything it's the rich vs the poor with a middle class almost completely flushed down the toilet.



Honest question for everyone. Do you really think your politicians care to change and before your answer look up the net worth of said politicians. That's why Bernie was never ever ever going to win he wanted to burn down the club his colleagues are apart of



We all need to legit draw a line in the sand at 2020 and just start over. Everyone got shitted on in the past








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Originally Posted by Lil Rhody

Absolutely nothing which is really the end game point. Just like how I'm 3rd generation in this country but yet I'm at fault for issues since the 1700s



This is America damnit they don't ****ing care about anyone doesn't matter skin color sex or anything it's the rich vs the poor with a middle class almost completely flushed down the toilet.



Honest question for everyone. Do you really think your politicians care to change and before your answer look up the net worth of said politicians. That's why Bernie was never ever ever going to win he wanted to burn down the club his colleagues are apart of



We all need to legit draw a line in the sand at 2020 and just start over. Everyone got shitted on in the past








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Term limits.
Term limits.
Term limits.
Term limits.
Term limits.
Term limits.
Term limits.

First you would have to explain to the general population what that means. Once they understood it, they might go for it.

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Originally Posted by Lil Rhody

Absolutely nothing which is really the end game point. Just like how I'm 3rd generation in this country but yet I'm at fault for issues since the 1700s



This is America damnit they don't ****ing care about anyone doesn't matter skin color sex or anything it's the rich vs the poor with a middle class almost completely flushed down the toilet.



Honest question for everyone. Do you really think your politicians care to change and before your answer look up the net worth of said politicians. That's why Bernie was never ever ever going to win he wanted to burn down the club his colleagues are apart of



We all need to legit draw a line in the sand at 2020 and just start over. Everyone got shitted on in the past








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What do you mean? What issues are you at fault for?

Our constitution literally treated people differently based on identity and our laws and so on throughout history have as well. We are getting better but we can't just ignore the racism/sexism and so on built into the system and used against people by politicians and so on. I agree that much of it is about Rich vs poor and the middle class being wiped out in a big way though, it would be the biggest single issue to me as well is wealth inequality if you will. It doesn't mean their aren't other issues too though.

I think some clearly want to change more than others and I don't simply judge someone by their net worth. Bernie has a high net worth for example and he wanted to burn down the club as you say.

If we start over do you mean completely rewrite the constitution type thing to avoid having so many issues being built in?

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Originally Posted by Sluggo1

Term limits.
Term limits.
Term limits.
Term limits.
Term limits.
Term limits.
Term limits.

First you would have to explain to the general population what that means. Once they understood it, they might go for it.

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hey, we agree on something!

Being a politician was never supposed to be a career choice. By the time (if not before) these guys have been there for two terms, they've already forgotten who their real constituents are and what they want...they're all about what's in it for me and who's *** do I kiss to get reelected.....doesn't matter what side, every last one of 'em, it's like there's something in the water in DC.

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Originally Posted by SiteWolf

hey, we agree on something!

Being a politician was never supposed to be a career choice. By the time (if not before) these guys have been there for two terms, they've already forgotten who their real constituents are and what they want...they're all about what's in it for me and who's *** do I kiss to get reelected.....doesn't matter what side, every last one of 'em, it's like there's something in the water in DC.

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I don’t necessarily disagree about term limits (though there are probably significant downsides of which we are as yet unaware) but getting big money out of politics is more important.

Still, your assessment of politics and politicians is a bit too nostalgic. It’s always been a potential career choice for some on the national level, and, frankly, it is designed that way.

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Originally Posted by SiteWolf

hey, we agree on something!

Being a politician was never supposed to be a career choice. By the time (if not before) these guys have been there for two terms, they've already forgotten who their real constituents are and what they want...they're all about what's in it for me and who's *** do I kiss to get reelected.....doesn't matter what side, every last one of 'em, it's like there's something in the water in DC.

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In a related vein………

Get the $$$ out of it as much as possible

People should not be allowed to donate more than a small amount

People should not be allowed to donate anything to a candidate they cannot vote for (someone out of their district)

The "party" should not be allowed to finance candidates.

When it comes right down to it…the cost of running for a rep should not be all that high. The vast majority can drive to all parts of their district in less than a day (and I know about AK and WY). So several thousand dollars, schedule some debates, arrange for free air time on the news and that should do it.

Senators a little more…agree to have debates in whatever states 5 biggest cities. Again do interviews, reporter opportunities etc. No reason to cost millions of dollars.

Presidency…I guess you would have to allow for bigger donations but find some way to temper the costs. Has to be a way to do this.

Allowing people like Soros to fund elections all over the US is wrong. Omar spent $800M with her boyfriend's consulting firm. AOC is sitting on a boatload of money from all over the place. None of this should be allowed. And it's not just the dems. I'm sure the repubs do it too.

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Originally Posted by WES445

You are making assumptions that fit your narrative. First, the idea that it shouldn't be hard for BLM
to solve this because of their name is stupid. It is belittling the enormous problem of black on black crime which ties into class status then color. There is the drug war, which our government has failed in preventing these drugs from getting to these neighborhoods, which means a lot of lawlessness. Then the economical environment of these areas and the country as a whole, there is a scarcity of livable wage jobs, which add to the misery of those stuck in this environment. You don't need to be a sociologist to explain how all these causes increase in violent crimes, suicides, drug addictions, and lawlessness. Once again it is the tie to social status more than color. Let throw in an over-aggressive police force with them and us mentality, we have a lot of problems.

So, how can an organization with poor members solve black on black crime when many of the factors that contribute to these problems are out of their hands?

Can they stop drugs from coming into their neighborhoods by themselves? Who do they go to address this?
Can they bring good livable wages into their communities by themselves? Who do they go to address this?
Can they stop overly aggressive police forces? Well, they are doing that, but it wasn't until white folks pick up the causes. So, unfortunately, but as with the civil rights marches, they need more Americans to support changes in their neighborhood because so many unamerican think they should be able to do all the heavy lifting with no resources or outside help.

You belittle the enormous problem that black on black crime is, didn't even know the contributing causes to these deaths, but that don't stop you from shooting your mouth off about stuff you know nothing about. And we are to respect your views and opinions?

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not once have I ever said solve. I don't expect them to SOLVE anything. I expect them to care.

I don't think BLM as a group will solve anything, including police reform. they have been screaming about that for years but only now are the proper people (politicians/lawmakers) actually getting involved to make changes.

right now the perception is they don't seem to care. there are people like Don Lemon that apparently don't even want BLM involved.

Black Lives Matter is an incredibly powerful organization, they have the power to help progress. I don't know why it's a stretch or controversial for them to care about something else as well. it can only help and can not hurt.

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Originally Posted by valade16

It sounds like you do have a problem with the marching and protesting because you’re now mad they aren’t marching and protesting the right instances

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no that is not what I said. why can't they do both?

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Originally Posted by SiteWolf

Kaepernick's reason for kneeling was for police brutality
Quickly the kneeling was talked about being for a whole variety of racial issues
No real change occurred. Why? In part because the message was too diverse to be tackled all at one time.
You'll pardon them if they'd prefer that doesn't happen this time.

The issues requiring reform weren't created all at once and they won't be resolved all at once. They are, however, interconnected so reform in one area may make reform in another area in some ways easier to accomplish.

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the failure of Kaepernick's protest was when he decided to do it, and the media that covered it. I know I talk about the media a lot but it was literally headlines from media like CNN/The Hill (2 I know I noticed) covering the method of protest in their headlines rather than what the protest was for. IMO that is to serve their own interests rather then helping the actual cause.

what I would like is for Black Lives Matter to care about police brutality AND innocent black children/people being killed unrelated to police. that doesn't even have to only be black on black crime, that can also include racism.

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Originally Posted by SpecialFNK

no that is not what I said. why can't they do both?

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Why is it a problem if they only do one? If you support both causes, then someone marching for either should be good. Or do you only support either cause if they’re together?