COVID-19 Response: An issue that shouldn't be at all political....yet here we are

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10-03-2021, 08:24 PM
ciaban2.0

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Originally Posted by natepro

They're also not the ones actively putting out misinformation and fighting against both mask and vaccine mandates.

Yes they are, they just aren't getting attention from the media for doing it, or their lumped in with generic "republican bad"
https://www.yahoo.com/now/black-live...200600400.html
10-03-2021, 08:27 PM
ciaban2.0

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Originally Posted by metswon69

Difference between hard to get and can't get, genius. And yes I take issue with states trying to curtail votes directed at minorities for non legitimate reasons like "widespread voter fraud".

The number of people incapable of getting a simple ID is astonishingly small. Voter ID laws have virtually no impact on voting.
Are ID laws also racist for flying on planes, or staying at hotels, or buying medicine from the grocery store etc etc. Or a vaccine passport?
Because you need to have ID to do those things.
10-03-2021, 08:30 PM
ciaban2.0

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Originally Posted by natepro

It's almost like one group has historically been oppressed and experimented on and the other hasn't.

That has nothing to do with the quality and efficacy of THIS PARTICULAR vaccines at this point what info do they need to feel safe? At this point they're being as stubborn and dumb as republicans who are unvax'd you just don't feel comfortable calling them out for it, even though you know it to be true.
10-03-2021, 08:37 PM
ciaban2.0

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Originally Posted by metswon69

Trump got the vaccine in secret and didn't admit as much till much later. Big coming from a guy who couldn't stop patting himself on the back in regards to Operation Warp Speed.

Did he?

https://www.salon.com/2021/09/03/tru...ation_partner/

Those were his original words on the Pfizer booster.

DeSantis has been a lot more vocal about freedom than he has been about the vaccine.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...-b1920094.html

Yeah, letting people falsely claim that the vaccine changes your RNA is certainly a good message.

What pass? I'm referencing why black people are more reluctant to get the vaccine which is immersed in mistrust of the medical system. That doesn't change that Democrats are far more likely to be vaccinated than Republicans are.

He's been FAR more vocal on the need for vaccines and promoting Vaccines, the press chose's not to cover it. How is it at this point you still believe the press are just nuetrally calling balls and strikes? Even after the 60 min piece on DeSantis that YOU criticized.
10-03-2021, 08:39 PM
ciaban2.0

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Originally Posted by natepro

It's time for another episode of ciaban's favorite link on school masking again!

I'm sorry for posting a link to the far-right fringe outlet...the Atlantic. Should I not post articles from establishment center-left media? Should I only post articles from Brietbart? If you have a problem with the article take it up with the author not me.
10-03-2021, 08:45 PM
ewing

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Originally Posted by ciaban2.0

Yes they are, they just aren't getting attention from the media for doing it, or their lumped in with generic "republican bad"
https://www.yahoo.com/now/black-live...200600400.html

tell me his name without opening the link?

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10-03-2021, 08:47 PM
ciaban2.0

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Originally Posted by valade16

He’s an idiot and his handling of Covid is terrible. 3rd in cases per Capita and 9th in deaths.

Cases aren't that important, it's hospitalizations and deaths that matter, also, as we saw the previous year, Covid migrates seasonally. They're higher now, but as we enter into winter were going to see the Northern States get hit real bad, btw if you want to compare deaths per 100k he's doing significantly better than Blue NY, NJ, RI, and Mass despite having a significantly higher population of elderly people. Also, those northern states are about to be SLAMMED by covid.
10-03-2021, 08:48 PM
ciaban2.0

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Originally Posted by ewing

tell me his name without opening the link?

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His name is Newsom which I only remembered because it's coincidentally the same as the Gov of California.
10-03-2021, 08:49 PM
ciaban2.0

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Originally Posted by metswon69

https://www.forbes.com/sites/jemimam...h=58c666e52c2a

120,000 kids in just the last week. 20,000 of them in Mississippi alone. That sounds pretty significant to me and I'd bet many of them are getting it in schools. Not to mention, its not just kids. Kids can absolutely spread the virus to other people which continues the pattern of infection.

Who is advocating against treatment? I'm not. I posted that link about molnupiravir just a couple of days ago. I think you need to attack COVID from all angles but the overwhelming one should be vaccine, vaccine, vaccine, vaccine, vaccine, vaccine, vaccine, vaccine, vaccine, vaccine, vaccine, vaccine, vaccine, vaccine, vaccine, vaccine, vaccine, vaccine, vaccine, vaccine, vaccine, vaccine, vaccine, vaccine, vaccine, vaccine, etc.

He's a lot more vocal about "freedom". Blocking money from schools who put in mask mandates is some of the dumbest **** i've ever heard.

Since the FDA and CDC have done a **** job since the beginning getting any form of testing/tracing going, we have no ****ing clue where these kids got the virus.

Only one form of Attack is allowed, any other form is considered "anti-vax"
10-03-2021, 08:51 PM
ewing

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Originally Posted by ciaban2.0

His name is Newsom which I only remembered because it's coincidentally the same as the Gov of California.

Exactly. You are purposely creating a false equivalency

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10-03-2021, 08:52 PM
ewing

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Originally Posted by ciaban2.0

Since the FDA and CDC have done a **** job since the beginning getting any form of testing/tracing going, we have no ****ing clue where these kids got the virus.

Only one form of Attack is allowed, any other form is considered "anti-vax"

No it isn’t.

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10-03-2021, 08:59 PM
valade16

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Originally Posted by ciaban2.0

Cases aren't that important, it's hospitalizations and deaths that matter, also, as we saw the previous year, Covid migrates seasonally. They're higher now, but as we enter into winter were going to see the Northern States get hit real bad, btw if you want to compare deaths per 100k he's doing significantly better than Blue NY, NJ, RI, and Mass despite having a significantly higher population of elderly people. Also, those northern states are about to be SLAMMED by covid.

If we compare by 100K, Florida is still among the highest.

And those states were hit hard in the initial wave, since that time they’ve done way better (New York 6,000 the past 3 months with Florida 19,000 dead).

DeSantis has done abysmal. His approach was terrible and has cost tens of thousands of Floridians lives.
10-03-2021, 09:01 PM
metswon69

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Originally Posted by ciaban2.0

He's been FAR more vocal on the need for vaccines and promoting Vaccines, the press chose's not to cover it. How is it at this point you still believe the press are just nuetrally calling balls and strikes? Even after the 60 min piece on DeSantis that YOU criticized.

You have me confused with someone else because I've never seen the DeSantis interview with 60 minutes. Yeah, he's also been super vocal about withholding funds from schools who institute mask mandates, which is maybe one of the dumbest ******** things i've ever heard. Who said they're calling balls and strikes neutrally? I'm going by some of the actions DeSantis has taken in regards to COVID and the vaccine. I don't see Phil Murphy (for example) talking about monoclonal antibodies, letting people lie about how the vaccine changes someone's RNA, threatening to punish schools over mask mandates, etc.
10-03-2021, 09:03 PM
metswon69

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Originally Posted by ciaban2.0

Cases aren't that important, it's hospitalizations and deaths that matter, also, as we saw the previous year, Covid migrates seasonally. They're higher now, but as we enter into winter were going to see the Northern States get hit real bad, btw if you want to compare deaths per 100k he's doing significantly better than Blue NY, NJ, RI, and Mass despite having a significantly higher population of elderly people. Also, those northern states are about to be SLAMMED by covid.

Cases are important. They continue the spread of the infection which leads to more variants and more cases that lead to hospitalizations and deaths.
10-03-2021, 09:07 PM
ciaban2.0

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Originally Posted by ewing

Exactly. You are purposely creating a false equivalency

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No, no I'm not creating a false equivalency, I just happened to remember his name easier because of that coincidence, I am not linking his words or his actions back to the Gov of California.

Look at the post I was responding too, Nate said he's only critical of the one side that's opposing masks and mandates.
My point is that these unvax'd black populations are just as critical of masks and mandates they just don't get the same amount of press.
BLM NYC is actively doing just that. There is no false equivalence, there is just unequal coverage.