COVID-19 Response: An issue that shouldn't be at all political....yet here we are

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Originally Posted by SiteWolf

People haven't been GETTING $600, they've been getting $600 OVER what they would've gotten in normal times.
So how were these people paying their bills BEFORE Covid or BEFORE losing their jobs? Where did their prior bills increase since they were laid off? The ONLY thing I can think of would be if they were buying health insurance they lost...and most would qualify for reduced COBRA insurance if so.

so talking about mortgage levels is really not that relevant other than people who were already making north of 50k, people more likely to be able to weather a short term reduction in income

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Oh, they werent paying their bills, that's how poverty works.

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Originally Posted by ewing

If you are getting 30 on unemployment Im guessing you had to be FT and living in a state with both a high cost of living and high maxs on unemployment rate. I am not sure what the solution is right now but if receiving the equivalent of 15 an hr short term is a better look for theses people then returning to stable FT work it seems to they were getting treated like trash. That doesn’t mean enhancing benefits won’t keep some people home and that it shouldn’t be a concern. It just means I don’t know if its “unfair” that they got some change.


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600 per week is roughly 30,000 which all unemployed people are getting right now I’m pretty sure. Or they were until it expired

Some people are making more sitting at home than people who were out there working during the whole lockdown. How is that fair?


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Originally Posted by benny01

Oh, they werent paying their bills, that's how poverty works.

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if they weren't before getting the extra $600, they probably still aren't WITH it...and I don't know that paying people NOT to work is the ideal way to deal with poverty

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Originally Posted by Brewersfan255

600 per week is roughly 30,000 which all unemployed people are getting right now I’m pretty sure. Or they were until it expired

Some people are making more sitting at home than people who were out there working during the whole lockdown. How is that fair?


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$600 is NOT what people have been getting....it's been $600 in ADDITION to 'normal' unemployment benefits...so for many, more like the equivalent of $50,000/yr. But there are also part timers who were only making $200/week that have been getting $800/week. CARES Act funding for this expires this coming Friday, HEALS Act is working its way thru the Senate right now.

Meanwhile, businesses were incentivized to keep people on their payroll thru the PPP program, and those people often make less than they would have been if laid off....the difference being they retained their benefits and have their jobs.

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Originally Posted by SiteWolf

if they weren't before getting the extra $600, they probably still aren't WITH it...and I don't know that paying people NOT to work is the ideal way to deal with poverty

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Sure, poverty really sucks, especially when you work for it. I really dont disagree with what you are saying though. I dont know why this didnt just make the people whole.

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Originally Posted by dbroncsinmo

Well, it appears Fauci is slightly worse at pitching than he is at science.

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Nah. But, to put it in perspective, at the rate things are going in the US, when you are his age, you can probably expect to be dead.

We get a longer discussion on whether poor unemployed people deserve the money they get then whether rich people deserve tax cuts and bonus. No wonder this country is so messed up. We deserve Trump.

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Originally Posted by benny01

Sure, poverty really sucks, especially when you work for it. I really dont disagree with what you are saying though. I dont know why this didnt just make the people whole.

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What I've meant is....it's not that I have a specific problem with people getting extra, but a pandemic is not the time to be dealing with whether they'd been getting paid enough before....and it can be a tough conversation to talk to an employee about why they're being paid less than they would be if I laid them off....even tho most times, when including benefits, they're not; a 35 yr old making $18/hr isn't worried about health insurance or their 401k nearly as much as a 55 yr old would be.

The new bill also supposedly has more PPP in it....and again they're whacked in their thinking. Last time it was less than 500 people in a location considered a 'small business' and some huge companies were sucking the funds dry before small ones could get an app thru. This time it's 'down to' 300 per location and a 50% drop in revenue....but they're saying in either the 1st or 2nd quarter when the primary losses happened in Mar-May which crosses both quarters......and some of those same big business would still be qualified. The Los Angeles Lakers gave it back, but had gotten $4.7mil originally...and by the new bill if passed, would qualify to apply again since the league shut down in March.

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Originally Posted by WES445

We get a longer discussion on whether poor unemployed people deserve the money they get then whether rich people deserve tax cuts and bonus. No wonder this country is so messed up. We deserve Trump.

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there is that, for sure....the latter just seems too futile to try and fight.......and if those cuts were rolled back, each rich person's difference would fund dozens of those extra unemployment benefits

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Originally Posted by SiteWolf

there is that, for sure....the latter just seems too futile to try and fight.......and if those cuts were rolled back, each rich person's difference would fund dozens of those extra unemployment benefits

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We don't think like that. The system works for the rich and greedy at the expense of the needy and it seems that is acceptable to many Americans. If we keep this up, what is happening in Portland will spread to other cities. People are forgetting when arguing against extra benefit, that more people will be facing eviction, the increasing spread of hunger will harm the economy and weaken this country.
The real shame is we are watching our country become more repressive towards its citizens then responding to their needs. Something is going to snap and it won't be pretty.

I'm glad that Twitter took the appropriate step in temporarily banning users who are spreading misinformation about COVID.

https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/4...misinformation

It is a crying shame we have to censor social media to stop the ignorant from spreading harmful bs. Funny, when they created the internet they thought that people will have more excess to knowledge and grow from the experience.

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Originally Posted by SiteWolf

What I've meant is....it's not that I have a specific problem with people getting extra, but a pandemic is not the time to be dealing with whether they'd been getting paid enough before....and it can be a tough conversation to talk to an employee about why they're being paid less than they would be if I laid them off....even tho most times, when including benefits, they're not; a 35 yr old making $18/hr isn't worried about health insurance or their 401k nearly as much as a 55 yr old would be.

The new bill also supposedly has more PPP in it....and again they're whacked in their thinking. Last time it was less than 500 people in a location considered a 'small business' and some huge companies were sucking the funds dry before small ones could get an app thru. This time it's 'down to' 300 per location and a 50% drop in revenue....but they're saying in either the 1st or 2nd quarter when the primary losses happened in Mar-May which crosses both quarters......and some of those same big business would still be qualified. The Los Angeles Lakers gave it back, but had gotten $4.7mil originally...and by the new bill if passed, would qualify to apply again since the league shut down in March.

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As with anything like this these days, they are gonna try to buy as many votes as possible with it rather than thinking of what's best for the people.

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Originally Posted by Brewersfan255

Good one!


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Seems to be good enough for you. :shrug:

I think it's pretty telling that so many people's/politician's response to unemployment paying some people more than actually working pays them is to want to see unemployment CUT rather than demanding or fighting for better wages. :shrug:

Clear disdain for the poor.