I'd say don't go unless you're really not concerned with catching or spreading this virus. It's a rare opportunity to be in Hawaii with less tourists and clearer waters for a very good reason.Quote:
Originally Posted by SiteWolf
You've made it this far being smart and cautious, why take the risk now?
No ****, Sherlock. I've very clearly said as much while specifically referring to you.Quote:
Originally Posted by SpecialFNK
You share token criticisms of Trump occasionally and make sure everyone sees and acknowledges it when you do. Then you go right back to lustfully slurping up 95% of the BS him and his cohorts spread.
The only delusional one here is you: the Canadian citizen that is completely ignorant to what goes on in his own country, yet is fully devoted to propping up the name and message of a disgraced leader of a foreign land. :laugh2:
Testing is a limited safety measure because we don’t do enough of it. If you took a sample two days before you fly, what is that telling you? It’s not guaranteeing that you don’t have Covid when you board the plane and it doesn’t guarantee you that the other people on the plane don’t have Covid. You or others on the plane may have been infected but not at a stage when you would test positive or any of you might have contracted it after testing. It does decrease the risk but it’s far from zero. I guess I don’t know the answer to this, do you have to take another test in Hawaii before you can come back? What if you test positive in Hawaii? Are you prepared to quarantine in Hawaii?Quote:
Originally Posted by SiteWolf
and I'd appreciate you doing the same, deal?Quote:
Originally Posted by spliff(TONE)
Well, personally, I will have been basically quarantined prior...I live alone, currently not going in to the office, making my last trip to the store over a week before my flight. It's Hawaii that has the expectation of a test, so no I wouldn't have to test when leaving. I wouldn't be testing for any other reason than thinking I have it once I'm there, but if you look at their numbers, they're some of the best in the country...and other than the plane, I'll be nowhere near tourists once I'm there.Quote:
Originally Posted by GasMan
If you have to quarantine, doing so in Hawaii would not be a horrible place to do it this time of year. Just be sure you have a balcony on your hotel room so you can get some fresh air.
So the people on the plane that are returning to Hawaii are untested? It’s a gamble, whatever you choose I hope you stay safe.Quote:
Originally Posted by SiteWolf
anyone on the flight has to have paper in hand showing a negative result from a test within the last 72 hours, which is another tricky issue....or quarantine for 14 days once they get there.....not sure how many, even returning people, want to not only quarantine for 14 days but 14 days that would include both Christmas and New YearsQuote:
Originally Posted by GasMan
There may be changes this week that make this decision moot, I don't know.....but not only is this Hawaii, but my closest brother and my 2 fav nephews I haven't seen for a year, too......I mean it's easy for someone to say don't risk it, but they're not the ones faced with it.
Pick up an N-95 mask at Lowes or Home Depot (they'll be in the painting or woodworking section) Wear it on the plane and hang it where it gets sun shined on it and fresh air, if possible. That will keep it clean enough to wear on the plane back home. I'm sure the airlines will require masks for all passengers.
With all due respect man, you've been asking for advice on this trip from a forum of a group of a very small amount of nutcases for at least 5 months. Really not sure why, but I am sure that you're not gonna get an answer that changes your mind.Quote:
Originally Posted by SiteWolf
This isn't the zombie apocalypse question that you're making it out to be. Get a covid test, and go to Hawaii. You'll be fine...the people on the plane will be fine...
your brothers family will be fine.
Or, don't go. Problem solved.
If only he had followed the rules.
https://www.thedailybeast.com/pastor...es-of-covid-19
But... population density Spliff, not density of the leader. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by spliff(TONE)
The most damning aspect of the US response is how high the nationwide numbers are after May.
Worried about China? Forget it. Here’s the kind of crap that’s happening in the US, as researched, extensively footnoted, and reported by Mike Davis.
Forrest L. Preston, net worth $1.8 billion, owns Life Care Centers of America, the largest nursing home chain in the county with 220 facilities in 28 states and 30,000 employees.
The long-term-care industry collects most of its income from Medicaid and Medicare, and Life Care was accused by a whistle-blower of routinely filing false claims, keeping patients in facilities longer than needed and charging for unnecessary procedures. Faced with the possibility of prosecution, Preston agreed in 2017 to pay back $146 million dollars to the Justice Department.
The first major us covid-19 outbreak occurred in Life Care’s facility in Kirkland, Washington. The management waited two weeks before notifying public health officials of its cluster of pneumonia cases, and after coronavirus was identified, concealed the number of infections and casualties, refused to give any information to frantic families, and forced staff to work for weeks without proper protection. By the beginning of summer 45 patients, workers and people in contact with staff had died from covid-19. Numerous other Life Care homes, unable or unwilling to practice effective infection control, also registered frightening death counts: 17 dead at the Nashoba Valley centre outside Boston; 8 dead in Omaha; 5 in Hilo, Hawaii; in Tennessee, at least 14 dead in McMinn County and 17 dead in Hamblen County facilities; and so on.
60 Minutes, Frontline, the Washington Post and the New York Times all produced exposés about Life Care Centers, but the Trump administration and Republican state governments have aggressively shielded it and the rest of the industry from prosecution. During the first six months of the crisis, federal inspectors from the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services routinely absolved facilities for flagrant violations of infection control regulations, and at least 18 Republican states have granted them at least limited immunity from lawsuits related to pandemic deaths.
McConnell and the Senate majority meanwhile have made blanket immunity for nursing homes and hospitals a condition for progress on stimulus bills.
Instead of fines or indictments, Life Care Centers received $48 million in pandemic relief funds.
As his profit centres turn into mortuaries, Preston has doubled down on his longtime avoidance of the press and unwonted publicity.
https://newleftreview.org/issues/ii1...trench-warfare