COVID-19 Response: An issue that shouldn't be at all political....yet here we are

Mike Lindell = My Pillow Guy lol
..he invented 'em

just so you guys don't have to keep saying My Pillow Guy :p

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Originally Posted by Crovash

There it is, folks — straight from the horse’s.....

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well don't keep us in suspense...the horse's what? gotta complete the .....

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Originally Posted by Sluggo1

Fauci's advice changes by the day.

Different treatments are praised/condemned by scientists on a regular basis

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That's not what I am hearing across the board from the medical professionals in my region -- without a doubt the hardest hit region in the country. It's been very consistent (there are many more voices out there than Fauci's)

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Originally Posted by Sluggo1

Scientists are still getting paid while millions of others are being asked to sit home with no money. Tough to do.

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Yeah, they should quit their jobs and let the politicians and corporate bastards make the decisions.

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Originally Posted by Sluggo1

Some scientists say a vaccine my be a year and a half to two years away. Some say it may never come. Do you think people can sit home and survive for a half to two years??? I'm sure you can.

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I have no idea. The future is out of my control.

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Originally Posted by Sluggo1

Scientists see the scientific side of it (and much of that is theory). They do not see the economic side of it.

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Thankfully.

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Originally Posted by Sluggo1

Bottom line……there are no real answers here. There wasn't in the beginning and there aren't now.

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You have offered your answer.

I have offered mine.

WI continues to decline in cases even after protests and everything.

I just find it sad how you can’t hold a funeral, wedding, church service or graduation party without getting blasted but it’s totally justified to go out and protest with thousands of people. That’s been the most frustrating part in all of this


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Originally Posted by Brewersfan255

WI continues to decline in cases even after protests and everything.

I just find it sad how you can’t hold a funeral, wedding, church service or graduation party without getting blasted but it’s totally justified to go out and protest with thousands of people. That’s been the most frustrating part in all of this


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Can we all save this post? The definition of privilege, I think it would be a good learning tool

Remember when somebody here was lauding deSantis for his great leadership as far as Corana goes and why opening up was such a good idea for Florida?

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Originally Posted by Sluggo1

Shutting down seems to be a waste of time. I'm coming to the conclusion that all this will come down to is just riding out the storm. Some of us will get sick, some of us are already sick. A small number of us will die.

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Shutting down in March saved our entire economy from collapsing.

The only reason we would (and did) have to shut down is because our govt is too incompetent to understand how to maneuver through an epidemic.

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Originally Posted by rhino17

Can we all save this post? The definition of privilege, I think it would be a good learning tool

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how so?

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Originally Posted by SiteWolf

how so?

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I think the point is that systematic injustice happening for a long time in this country is more important than say (to pick a bad example he gave) someone's grad party. Not understanding the major difference of these issues and how they affect people would seemingly come down to privilege.

I mean I wouldn't mind people being able to have grad parties or my sisters wedding to move forward. I don't in any way equate these things to fighting against systematic injustice though at all. These are just things I would like to happen while the injustice we have seen is literally leading to violence and death against innocent civilians from police.

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Originally Posted by mngopher35

I think the point is that systematic injustice happening for a long time in this country is more important than say (to pick a bad example he gave) someone's grad party. Not understanding the major difference of these issues and how they affect people would seemingly come down to privilege.

I mean I wouldn't mind people being able to have grad parties or my sisters wedding to move forward. I don't in any way equate these things to fighting against systematic injustice though at all. These are just things I would like to happen while the injustice we have seen is literally leading to violence and death against innocent civilians from police.

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^^^^^

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Originally Posted by mngopher35

I think the point is that systematic injustice happening for a long time in this country is more important than say (to pick a bad example he gave) someone's grad party. Not understanding the major difference of these issues and how they affect people would seemingly come down to privilege.

I mean I wouldn't mind people being able to have grad parties or my sisters wedding to move forward. I don't in any way equate these things to fighting against systematic injustice though at all. These are just things I would like to happen while the injustice we have seen is literally leading to violence and death against innocent civilians from police.

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Come on. You can’t even see your dead parent or family member or have a funeral without the media going after you but it’s ok to all crowd on the streets to protest etc. You don’t see how there’s a double standard in that situation?


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Originally Posted by Brewersfan255

Come on. You can’t even see your dead parent or family member or have a funeral without the media going after you but it’s ok to all crowd on the streets to protest etc. You don’t see how there’s a double standard in that situation?


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You can’t do those things because a POTUS and brain dead followers do everything to downplay the virus and have actively stalled any attempt at recovery. You don’t even realize you yourself are keeping yourself from doing what you want lmao

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Originally Posted by Brewersfan255

Come on. You can’t even see your dead parent or family member or have a funeral without the media going after you but it’s ok to all crowd on the streets to protest etc. You don’t see how there’s a double standard in that situation?


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I actually know this first hand. They do let you in afterwards though, as if that matters nearly the same since they have passed (and how ridiculous is that, seriously? That to me is the crazy thing). The media hasn't come after them or us at all though despite this as far as I know.

I have advocated protesters take the precautions seriously multiple times in threads here. Media is built for a target audience, having a double standard is essentially their standard. I don't get outraged by fox or cnn because I don't watch them. I generally read articles on what I consider more relevant news so I miss a lot of what you may be referencing if it is whining about people doing things some won't like but makes no real difference (like what special posts often).

None of this really addressed my main point though. It's not sad or frustrating that people are standing up to injustice (peacefully, some do go overboard) protesting and seeming to push real change/talks of how and so on in some cases. Not even close to anything like real change (yet?) but it seems many more are aware now at least and chiming in even at higher levels. It's a far bigger issue than grad parties and weddings and celebrations that would be fun and shouldn't be compared like that. I do think it is alright to protest an issue like this, I wish they would take more precaution though personally... I do not think people should start ignoring covid though and have wedding/grad parties with tons of people getting close and so on necessarily if they don't have to and I don't think it's a double standard at all.

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Originally Posted by Brewersfan255

Come on. You can’t even see your dead parent or family member or have a funeral without the media going after you but it’s ok to all crowd on the streets to protest etc. You don’t see how there’s a double standard in that situation?


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Did fox or Twitter tell you what all the libs are saying again?


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Originally Posted by mngopher35

I think the point is that systematic injustice happening for a long time in this country is more important than say (to pick a bad example he gave) someone's grad party. Not understanding the major difference of these issues and how they affect people would seemingly come down to privilege.

I mean I wouldn't mind people being able to have grad parties or my sisters wedding to move forward. I don't in any way equate these things to fighting against systematic injustice though at all. These are just things I would like to happen while the injustice we have seen is literally leading to violence and death against innocent civilians from police.

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Of course there's a major difference, why is it automatically that he doesn't understand the difference and not just that he's wondering why going to a funeral can get questioned? If I have a family member die, I guarantee that for me personally, in that time frame, going to their funeral will be more important.

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Originally Posted by SiteWolf

Of course there's a major difference, why is it automatically that he doesn't understand the difference and not just that he's wondering why going to a funeral can get questioned? If I have a family member die, I guarantee that for me personally, in that time frame, going to their funeral will be more important.

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Because this isn't their first conversation.

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Originally Posted by benny01

Because this isn't their first conversation.

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ahh, that I'll buy

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Originally Posted by Brewersfan255

Come on. You can’t even see your dead parent or family member or have a funeral without the media going after you but it’s ok to all crowd on the streets to protest etc. You don’t see how there’s a double standard in that situation?

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Have some balls, dude.

If it means that much to you, then you will hold your funeral or whatever and accept the consequences — even if it is something as woefully terrifying as the media going after you.

By the way, welcome to the world of double standards — poor, little you.

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Originally Posted by browski234

You can’t do those things because a POTUS and brain dead followers do everything to downplay the virus and have actively stalled any attempt at recovery. You don’t even realize you yourself are keeping yourself from doing what you want lmao

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apparently it was because of Trump and "brain dead" followers downplaying coronavirus that caused/allowed millions of people to protest for Black Lives Matter without a care for social distancing. :shrug:

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Originally Posted by spliff(TONE)

Look through my post history if you're so interested in my thoughts on this.

SPOILER ALERT: I thought the criticism was unnecessary.

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I will take your word for it, shocking eh.

this would mean that you posted something on topic, which is more surprising to me.

7 day average: cases are starting to increase quite a bit

Deaths continue to plummet


https://twitter.com/phillyrich1/stat...267821568?s=21

FL gov said the median age was 60-70 the first few months now it’s 37 and continuing to decline as younger people test more and more for it. And of course the mortality rate is really low for people under the age of 40 so death rate continues to go down


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Originally Posted by Brewersfan255

7 day average: cases are starting to increase quite a bit

Deaths continue to plummet

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Countrywide statistics are moderately illuminating, but you really need to look at the pandemic regionally. It decimated the northeast corridor a month ago (national numbers offset by most of the rest of the country). Now it is picking up in the sun belt (national numbers offset by the northeast, among other regions).

Deaths are usually two-three weeks behind confirmed cases, but young people are generally safer — though the elderly with whom they come into contact are not.

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Originally Posted by Crovash

Countrywide statistics are moderately illuminating, but you really need to look at the pandemic regionally. It decimated the northeast corridor a month ago (national numbers offset by most of the rest of the country). Now it is picking up in the sun belt (national numbers offset by the northeast, among other regions).

Deaths are usually two-three weeks behind confirmed cases, but young people are generally safer — though the elderly with whom they come into contact are not.

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It’s been steadily declining for awhile now (deaths that is) even after cases were pretty high


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Originally Posted by SiteWolf

Of course there's a major difference, why is it automatically that he doesn't understand the difference and not just that he's wondering why going to a funeral can get questioned? If I have a family member die, I guarantee that for me personally, in that time frame, going to their funeral will be more important.

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I covered this but I have been through this myself as well recently during this. Wanting to hold a ceremony for a loved one that passed away already is far different than losing a loved one to the system unjustly. Weddings and grad parties are celebrations and also way off base. There is no legitimate comparison of these things to having a loved one murdered by a cop in any way I am sorry, you not being able to do these right when you want is just way different.

Why does what you personally want need to be equated/compared to systematic injustice like he did? It's extreme privilege to think some of the things he mentioned matter as much or more than other people's livelihood. I hope we can have our funerals for loved ones, my sister can move forward with her wedding, grad parties happen etc at some point too like I said. This is still my wants compared to systematic injustice destroying peoples lives not just stopping them from celebrations/ceremonies during a pandemic but all the time.

If you feel the need to compare then you are likely a very privileged person that has never had to deal with true struggle/cops killing family/family locked up for minor things and so on. There was 0 reason to bring this in comparatively and it shows a lack of empathy/understanding/issues many in this country struggle with all the time not just having a tough time doing things they want in a pandemic.

It's sad that I can't eat a snickers bar without getting looks from people but other people dying of cancer (or anything) can eat what they want without being judged! I mean you can want your snickers but you get how you missed something major in whining about someone with cancer here right? This is what it looks like complaining about things you want when others have far bigger issues and you try and use them to associate you getting what you want.


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The cases aren't coming from just more testing being done, but new cases. There were a group of friends who tested positive after going out when the stay at home order was lifted for social gathering.

A profession golfer has come down with it after all the care PGA took to protect their players. Man, I wonder how they will pull off reopening the NBA in Florida, a potential hotspot. The baseball season looks like it will be canceled, no talk of reopening from that I have seen. People in the Pubic Health department are saying that the NFL may not play games their season if we see a coronavirus spike during the flu season.

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Originally Posted by Brewersfan255

It’s been steadily declining for awhile now (deaths that is) even after cases were pretty high

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The deficiency of national statistics nothwithstanding....

Overall US comfirmed covid-19 cases declined steadily from April 10 to June 11 (except for a slight uptick on April 23). They have risen steadily since June 11.

Deaths, meawhile began a steady decline on April 19 (very small uptick on April 29). Will they rise a week or ten days after these new cases have risen? I hope not. We’ll know soon.

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Originally Posted by Crovash

The deficiency of national statistics nothwithstanding....

Overall US comfirmed covid-19 cases declined steadily from April 10 to June 11 (except for a slight uptick on April 23). They have risen steadily since June 11.

Deaths, meawhile began a steady decline on April 19 (very small uptick on April 29). Will they rise a week or ten days after these new cases have risen? I hope not. We’ll know soon.

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Thanks for trying to make sense of the numbers. I enjoy your post on this subject


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Originally Posted by SiteWolf

there's also a direct correlation between the rise in cases and the increase in testing

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The percentage of positive tests drastically outpaces the increase in testing.

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Thanks for trying to make sense of the numbers. I enjoy your posts on this subject.

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Welcome.

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Originally Posted by dbroncos78087

The percentage of positive tests drastically outpaces the increase in testing.

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This is certainly the case in Florida recently, and in other states — mostly in the south. Here’s the key graph for the last 14 days.

https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/testing/testing-positivity

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Originally Posted by Crovash

Have some balls, dude.

If it means that much to you, then you will hold your funeral or whatever and accept the consequences — even if it is something as woefully terrifying as the media going after you.

By the way, welcome to the world of double standards — poor, little you.

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Pretty much.

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For Brewers and anyone else who doesn't understand simple math (or even for those that just pretend not to understand simple math to make some invalid point).

https://www.instagram.com/p/CBgAL15F...d=f8h4woj4mlt7

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Originally Posted by spliff(TONE)

For Brewers and anyone else who doesn't understand simple math (or even for those that just pretend not to understand simple math to make some invalid point).

https://www.instagram.com/p/CBgAL15F...d=f8h4woj4mlt7

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Yes and now do violent crime and who that affects the most in terms of what race has more convictions etc. This would mean more encounters with police etc


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Originally Posted by Brewersfan255

Yes and now do violent crime and who that affects the most in terms of what race has more convictions etc. This would mean more encounters with police etc


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Wow, you really dont understand math.

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Originally Posted by benny01

Wow, you really dont understand math.

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Seems that way

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Originally Posted by Brewersfan255

Yes and now do violent crime and who that affects the most in terms of what race has more convictions etc. This would mean more encounters with police etc


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Way does this matter to you?


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Why was my post deleted?


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I’m glad that more people in Tulsa have common sense than I thought!

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Originally Posted by Brewersfan255

Why was my post deleted?


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Obviously those dirty lefties are out to getcha.

The coronavirus pandemic is entering “a new and dangerous phase,” a top official at the World Health Organization warned. Eighty-one countries have seen a growth in new cases over the past two weeks. Only 36 have seen declines.

Beijing and Seoul have had a recent surge.

In Florida, Oklahoma, South Carolina and Arizona, daily counts of new cases reached their highest levels so far of the pandemic this week. Texas has seen confirmed cases double in the past month.

Some businesses, like Apple and AMC Theaters, are now readjusting their reopening plans. The Philadelphia Phillies, Toronto Blue Jays, and the Tampa Bay Lightning shut down training facilities in Florida over concerns that the virus was threatening players’ safety.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/19/u...7660ea25319dc3