COVID-19 Response: An issue that shouldn't be at all political....yet here we are

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Originally Posted by Bird of Prey

The truth is that China intentionally released their manufactured virus onto the world intentionally. They were getting their *** kicked economically and had to do something to weaken the world around them.

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Serious question: is there a conspiracy theory you dont believe?

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Originally Posted by ManRam

OK. Didn't realize this was more personal. Fair enough. I am not active in this thread and jumped in late.

Have at it!!

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This **** started like 7 months back, lol. We waist deep already [emoji846]

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Originally Posted by nastynice

We already know car accident deaths have been reported as covid.

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No we don't; which renders the rest of this slop I didn't bother quoting as more meaningless nonsense aka your specialty.

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Originally Posted by valade16

No, I think you have an infatuation with China because you have an infatuation with China. Even when you tried to explain your view on China the tenor of your post can best be described as “fawning”.

It’s even funnier that you constantly talk about America’s propaganda and then blindly believe any and all Chinese propaganda.

You actually think is being factually correct about China under reporting their numbers is us succumbing to US propaganda but you not believing they were under reporting (and being wrong) simply because China said they weren’t is not being influenced by Chinese propaganda.

My biased perspective in this case is I think the US was literally the worst country on earth at handling Covid and no matter how China responded we still would have done terribly. Yes, that really sounds like a hard American bias and me trying to make it an us vs them thing :laugh2:

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You've just been brainwashed by the American media machine that only nasty can resist, bruh.

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Originally Posted by SpecialFNK

maybe you're so busy trolling you don't even pay attention to what you do say.



I'm not always championing him no matter what.

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That's not the claim you made in the post I quoted, boy genius.

I'll address this new claim now though: you really are always championing Trump. Just because you don't champion every single thing he says and does, doesn't mean that you're not going to be right back to singing his praises to the heavens at the end of the day.

We have years of proof for this. You can try to lie or find some technicality but everyone here with a working brain will know that your are absolutely full of it.

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Originally Posted by nastynice

I'm not as smart as you regarding evolution. I'm not as smart as MRSpock, period. But when it comes to this pandemic conversation, I am clearly leagues beyond where you are. Bro, I've taken and passed the ****in USMLE. Do you know what that is? Obviously I'm league beyond you on this topic...

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You crack me the **** up. If nothing else, I certainly give you an A for effort. :laugh2:

This site is not short on borderline psychopaths.

Why is killing grandma a patriotic duty now but when Obamacare was being debated it was a mortal sin?

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Originally Posted by valade16

You claim I’m not comprehending and then regurgitate nonsense demonstrating you don’t understand what you’re talking about.

This was NOT a case of conflicting numbers. This wasn’t a case of two different parameters coming up with different amounts. This wasn’t them getting 2,800 cases confirmed via pcr and 5,900 from chest X-rays and deciding to use one number or the other.

This was them having only one number: 5,900 and then based on absolutely nothing medical or having to do with confirmed, suspicious, etc. reporting that number as 2,800.

This is not a case of inconsistency in different datasets. This is them saying a dataset is a number which it is not.


You don’t seem to want to believe that, hence your inability to comprehend (and then project and say it’s everyone else who doesn’t understand).

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"On February 10 —*when China reported 2,478 new cases*— officials privately recorded 5,918 new cases, more than double the published figure, per CNN.
The underreporting was exacerbated by a slow-turnaround in identifying cases. *One of the leaked documents reveals that in early March the average time between an individual exhibiting symptoms and diagnosis was 23.3 days, CNN reported."

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"An extensive set of health data*from Chinese health authorities leaked to CNN*shows that health officials in the Hubei province, where the virus is believed to have originated, failed to report thousands of new daily cases in the early stages of the pandemic.
On February 10 —*when China reported 2,478 new cases*— officials privately recorded 5,918 new cases, more than double the published figure, per CNN.
The underreporting was exacerbated by a slow-turnaround in identifying cases. *One of the leaked documents reveals that in early March the average time between an individual exhibiting symptoms and diagnosis was 23.3 days, CNN reported."

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Read these as a whole, this sounds like some deliberate planned cover up, or like a novel virus epidemic? The answer is obvious. They were taking up to 24 days from time of symptoms to diagnosis.

You're acting like they had all this information given from a magic computer about what everything is, and exactly who is infected, etc.

They didn't. It was a literal brand new virus. Dumb *** America had this go on in front of their face and still didnt respond anything close to how china did, yet somehow you're holding this thing against china, while we failed 10 times worse.

You're holding them to a ridiculous standard. Listen, china ****ed up, they ****ed up BIG TIME, they prioritized their economy over the virus and stupidly tried to keep it hush hush thinking they can contain it quietly. They were wrong and their approach lead to a worldwide epidemic. They destroyed BILLIONS of lives and thousands of economies, they are ****in.idiotic for what they did.

But starting from when Wuhan locked down, they followed science. They had professional epidemiologists and statistician running their response and we had ****in retart politicians like Donald trump running ours.

THAT is why the pandemic hurt us. NOT because china under reported their numbers by a thousand people in february.


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If you click on your link's link, it has this quote


"In a report marked "internal document, please keep confidential," local health authorities in the province of Hubei, where the virus was first detected, list a total of 5,918 newly detected cases on February 10, more than double the official public number of confirmed cases, breaking down the total into a variety of subcategories."

Broken down into subcategories. So probably one category was 100% confirmed case. One was probably strong suspicion, one reasonable suspicion, etc etc.

They probably released publicly all the 100% confirmed, probably left out the suspicious ones. Whoop dee doo. America does this every damn day. So what?

You're just way to locked in on trying to win some dumb argument. I'm telling you this **** because I know this ****, not because I want to show you up. Dont believe this nonsense headline they trying to sell you. It originally came about because they are trying to assign blame for their failure. But now 1 year later and we aren't even screening people in airports and other points of travel, it should be obvious who is responsible for our complete fail of a response.

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Originally Posted by nastynice

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"On February 10 —*when China reported 2,478 new cases*— officials privately recorded 5,918 new cases, more than double the published figure, per CNN.
The underreporting was exacerbated by a slow-turnaround in identifying cases. *One of the leaked documents reveals that in early March the average time between an individual exhibiting symptoms and diagnosis was 23.3 days, CNN reported."

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"An extensive set of health data*from Chinese health authorities leaked to CNN*shows that health officials in the Hubei province, where the virus is believed to have originated, failed to report thousands of new daily cases in the early stages of the pandemic.
On February 10 —*when China reported 2,478 new cases*— officials privately recorded 5,918 new cases, more than double the published figure, per CNN.
The underreporting was exacerbated by a slow-turnaround in identifying cases. *One of the leaked documents reveals that in early March the average time between an individual exhibiting symptoms and diagnosis was 23.3 days, CNN reported."

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Read these as a whole, this sounds like some deliberate planned cover up, or like a novel virus epidemic? The answer is obvious. They were taking up to 24 days from time of symptoms to diagnosis.

You're acting like they had all this information given from a magic computer about what everything is, and exactly who is infected, etc.

They didn't. It was a literal brand new virus. Dumb *** America had this go on in front of their face and still didnt respond anything close to how china did, yet somehow you're holding this thing against china, while we failed 10 times worse.

You're holding them to a ridiculous standard. Listen, china ****ed up, they ****ed up BIG TIME, they prioritized their economy over the virus and stupidly tried to keep it hush hush thinking they can contain it quietly. They were wrong and their approach lead to a worldwide epidemic. They destroyed BILLIONS of lives and thousands of economies, they are ****in.idiotic for what they did.

But starting from when Wuhan locked down, they followed science. They had professional epidemiologists and statistician running their response and we had ****in retart politicians like Donald trump running ours.

THAT is why the pandemic hurt us. NOT because china under reported their numbers by a thousand people in february.

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Again, why are you bringing up the US’ response? My point had literally nothing to do with the US’ response.

You claim I’m brainwashed by US propaganda making it an us vs them thing and yet the only person who constantly tries to make this an us vs them thing is you.

I assure you, the US’ response doesn’t need to be juxtaposed against China’s to know it was an abject failure.

My point about China under reporting their cases has nothing to do with the US’ response. They are completely independent of each other. The US’ response would have been a disaster had China not under reported.

So again, why do you keep bringing this up? No one here is arguing that (well, at least I am not).

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Originally Posted by nastynice

If you click on your link's link, it has this quote

"In a report marked "internal document, please keep confidential," local health authorities in the province of Hubei, where the virus was first detected, list a total of 5,918 newly detected cases on February 10, more than double the official public number of confirmed cases, breaking down the total into a variety of subcategories."

Broken down into subcategories. So probably one category was 100% confirmed case. One was probably strong suspicion, one reasonable suspicion, etc etc.

They probably released publicly all the 100% confirmed, probably left out the suspicious ones. Whoop dee doo. America does this every damn day. So what?

You're just way to locked in on trying to win some dumb argument. I'm telling you this **** because I know this ****, not because I want to show you up. Dont believe this nonsense headline they trying to sell you. It originally came about because they are trying to assign blame for their failure. But now 1 year later and we aren't even screening people in airports and other points of travel, it should be obvious who is responsible for our complete fail of a response.

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It’s remarkable how you demand forensic video evidence from anyone else to even entertain what they’re saying but you just assume something happened and now we should all take it as gospel.

If you were honest you’d also post the part from the article where they specifically mention they did not want to warn Chinese officials of the higher totals for fear of punishment.

So no, they did not decide to only release the confirmed cases because they didn’t think the lesser cases were worth reporting medically, they intentionally did not report them for fear China would punish them for having such high numbers.

I’m not locked into trying to win anything, I’m already correct. The only thing I’m trying to do at this point is see if your ego would ever allow you to admit you’re wrong about anything, that China isn’t the greatest country in the history of anything, ever, and that you may not know everything about everything as you believe.

Thus far my efforts have been an abject failure. You’re ego is too fragile to admit any of the above.

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Originally Posted by valade16

Again, why are you bringing up the US’ response? My point had literally nothing to do with the US’ response.

You claim I’m brainwashed by US propaganda making it an us vs them thing and yet the only person who constantly tries to make this an us vs them thing is you.

I assure you, the US’ response doesn’t need to be juxtaposed against China’s to know it was an abject failure.

My point about China under reporting their cases has nothing to do with the US’ response. They are completely independent of each other. The US’ response would have been a disaster had China not under reported.

So again, why do you keep bringing this up? No one here is arguing that (well, at least I am not).

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I am bringing up the US response so you recognize the true fuel behind this stupid china story.

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Originally Posted by valade16

It’s remarkable how you demand forensic video evidence from anyone else to even entertain what they’re saying but you just assume something happened and now we should all take it as gospel.

If you were honest you’d also post the part from the article where they specifically mention they did not want to warn Chinese officials of the higher totals for fear of punishment.

So no, they did not decide to only release the confirmed cases because they didn’t think the lesser cases were worth reporting medically, they intentionally did not report them for fear China would punish them for having such high numbers.

I’m not locked into trying to win anything, I’m already correct. The only thing I’m trying to do at this point is see if your ego would ever allow you to admit you’re wrong about anything, that China isn’t the greatest country in the history of anything, ever, and that you may not know everything about everything as you believe.

Thus far my efforts have been an abject failure. You’re ego is too fragile to admit any of the above.

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I dont need video evidence, it's just that all of this stuff is EXPECTED. Its expected that they have issues initially regarding classification of cases. You keep pointing out normal and expected things and somehow interpreting them as backing up this story about china lying.

Ok so one part of the chinese govt lied to the other. Ok, so what? Republicans are saying bogus **** on a daily basis for fear of what might happen if trump or trump followers turn on them. Ok so what? That's some normal sort of ****. It was a **** up, yes, but it's just not what you're thinking it is.

I just think you are severely misinterpreting numerous things and that's why you think this baseless story has any substance to it.

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Originally Posted by valade16

Again, why are you bringing up the US’ response? My point had literally nothing to do with the US’ response.

You claim I’m brainwashed by US propaganda making it an us vs them thing and yet the only person who constantly tries to make this an us vs them thing is you.

I assure you, the US’ response doesn’t need to be juxtaposed against China’s to know it was an abject failure.

My point about China under reporting their cases has nothing to do with the US’ response. They are completely independent of each other. The US’ response would have been a disaster had China not under reported.

So again, why do you keep bringing this up? No one here is arguing that (well, at least I am not).

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I actually don't think that China under reported their cases. I honestly believe their numbers are accurate. But that's only because I honestly believe once they realized they had an uncontrolled pandemic that they started killing infectious people. We already know they were sealing people in their homes so they literally couldn't leave, effectively sentencing them to death.