Neutrality is, by definition, not taking a side. I have said that I renounce the KKK/Nazis. I have said that the left that came armed forfeited their moral high ground (Nazis/KKK always comes armed). I have said that the city was at fault for allowing the march to take place at all.
I am not taking sides at all.
You're not being neutral.Quote:
Originally Posted by catman
You also don't seem to have any idea what a moral high ground is if you think you cede it by confronting armed people.
How am I not being neutral? I have said that all sides were wrong in this situation, and they were.Quote:
Originally Posted by natepro
The left gave up their moral high ground by coming to confront the KKK/Nazis with weapons. They set up the fight. The Nazis/KKK always come armed and wanted the confrontation. The left supplied it.
The left was wrong. The KKK/Nazis, as always, were wrong. The city was wrong.
Being neutral would mean not making any judgment about any of them. It would also be the wrong position to take, but it would be neutral at least.Quote:
Originally Posted by catman
Much like not understanding what "moral high ground means" you're confusing neutral with fair. You are very clearly taking the position that people in the situation were wrong; maybe you think that's a fair judgment to make, but it's still a judgment.
I've said that all sides are wrong. I guess that is taking a side. I am not promoting any of the 3 sides as correct, however.
In my judgement, all sides were wrong.
If someone is neutral with Nazis or the KKK, they’re ****ed up in the head. I am decided not neutral with either group.Quote:
Originally Posted by natepro
That's similar to politicians who said "there are fine people on both sides".Quote:
Originally Posted by catman
My point is that this is not a grey situation. The white supremacists were wrong from beginning, middle, and end of this whole thing. Taking a neutral stance by saying "all of them are wrong" is actually taking the side of the white supremacists, especially since it was so clear who was wrong in this situation.
This is why I used that quote earlier (“You are either for me or against me” — comes from the Bible, no less — or stated this way as well “if you are not for me, you are against me”).
There is no neutrality when it comes to this issue of white/Christian supremacy. If you are not openly and actively against their vitriol, you are de facto supporting them.
To the bolded: I think the part that catman is confusing here is that by saying the counter protestors were wrong, he is, in essence, defending the white supremacists. He is not seeing that the white supremacists were attacking and the counter protestors were defending.Quote:
Originally Posted by Crovash
You're doing that phony neutral #BothSides thing that got Scoots laughed right out of this forum. Probably because, like Scoots, you think most of the people here aren't intelligent enough to see through your transparent facade.Quote:
Originally Posted by catman
You may want to consider finding a significantly dimmer audience to peddle this slop to next time.
Their words do make for converts though. That's why it's dangerous to allow them to spread their hateful ideology unimpeded. Thats why people are mad about Musk taking over Twitter for example and why people still talk about January 6th. Misinformation like that in the wrong hands can have damning consequences.Quote:
Originally Posted by catman
You're right. This is not a gray situation. This is why I renounced all sides in this. They were all wrong.Quote:
Originally Posted by nyyfan555
There you go: when in doubt, mindlessly repeat yourself ad infinitum.
Please quote me defending anyone, much less the white supremacists.Quote:
Originally Posted by nyyfan555
You're trying to wordsmith your way through this and then going on the defensive by asking for a quote.Quote:
Originally Posted by catman
By saying that all sides are wrong, you are essentially picking a side. Because there is so obviously a wrong side here, by not calling it out, you are absolving the white supremacists (both the protestors and the politicians who chose to do nothing) of the full blame that they deserve. Thus you are taking their side.
You don't need to explicitly state something in order to communicate your stance on something.