This is so sad. I can’t believe we can’t unite on this.
We are so incredibly tribal.
This is so sad. I can’t believe we can’t unite on this.
We are so incredibly tribal.
I'm talking about protections for people who will be forced to return to work, people that have conditions or illnesses that make them vunerablento theis disease. I know I know they arent forced. They could just quit and starve.Quote:
Originally Posted by Scoots
The economic pain isnt going to magically vanish because we re-open. You are going to find a large swath of the population that voluntarily continue stay at home. As hot spots form around the country, some places will have to go back into lockdown. I have yet to see anything that says that this doesnt just prolong the suffering. I have yet to really see any argument short of sacrifice people for the economy or we are really really bored because we cant golf.
He could have nailed it by just telling the truth. Flips is right, he wasted a massive opportunity politically. As sick as it sounds, this is what politicians live for. He could have put his face on mt. Rushmore and bungled it to high holy hell.Quote:
Originally Posted by Scoots
I think Trump's base has rallied around him as well. His opponents have picked apart everything, every day.Quote:
Originally Posted by flips333
I can.Quote:
Originally Posted by GGGGG-Men
We can.Quote:
Originally Posted by GGGGG-Men
Just look at the point we are at and unite on that. Pulling apart everything trump says doesn't help. Going agaunst everything Trump does doesn't help.
Everyone needs to pull together.
Why do almost all the governors/mayors open/do no open points of view seem to fall i strictly on party lines? It's like "don't worry about the economy, just get Trump." And all those people wanting to keep the shut down in effect…they all get paid their top dollar salaries/benefits. They're not losing anything. People are more afraid of their income and future than they are of the virus.
Reps want to re-convene congress, dems do not because of the virus. It was recommended having the congressionals use whatever the quickie test is and the dems come back with they don't want to take the machines away from thew general public. Really…20-30 machines out of the stock pile would have done the job and they come up with that? They don't want to go back. They want this mess to continue because it looks bad for the admin and dem followers are too stupid to figure that out.
The current POTUS attacked the last one with birthirism to gain support. You don't actually care about this attacking nature you whine about when it is at Trump, in fact you defend the most consistent person in the history of our presidency to attack others in such fashion.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sluggo1
He has screwed up our response in multiple ways and most of them involve playing political games and not taking it seriously. We had a ton of time to respond initially, nothing but downplaying it against the experts. We had time to react and get going on needed supplies but lacked overall coordination and did not use the power/authority he had to do so. Encouraging people with things like the "liberate" BS when those states are following the guidelines laid out, he is advocating for chaos during a pandemic.
Everyone needs to pull together, the first step would be admitting exactly who this POTUS is instead of constantly defending him with standards you never apply to his own actions/words.
Para 1…Wrong. I have criticized Trump's style numerous times. It is absolutely awful. Re: birthism…he wasn't the fiorst to question this. Many did and I haven't heard this from Trump in quite awhile. RE: Obama…Trump is wrong to keep bringing up BO as much as he does…and I have said this numerous times before. It's how he is. I don't like that any more than you do.Quote:
Originally Posted by mngopher35
Para 2…screwed up response in multiple ways??? Give me a break here. No matter when he responded, people like you would come back with it should have been sooner. Info from the "experts"changed almost daily. Fauci's numbers were so far off as to be laughable. The stockpile was bare before he got there. He didn't just empty the warehouses. They were already depleted. Lacked overall coordination…like not giving Cuomo the 30,000 respirators and millions of masks he didn't need? And the hospital ship that wasn't required.? (You never seem to hear a word about Cuomo requesting 3X what was needed.) He got industries to ramp up without being a dictator.
It is a bad situation, no question about it. Trump has done OK under the circumstances. We don't know if anyone could have done better.
1. Exactly, others like Fox and so on were also on board with this. The obvious point here is that the POTUS always has to deal with morons being ridiculous. Trump was one of those morons when it was not him in office doing this type of thing. It's showing that there are actual insane things to criticize a POTUS for (like what is being done with Trump on a regular basis on how he handles being POTUS0 and attacks like this. You whine when people are largely pointing out obvious bad things Trump has done and pretend it is something like this. Most of the time it is not when you read what people are actually saying.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sluggo1
2. LOL this is the entire point of 1 which you missed. Some people will alway criticize the POTUS over dumb things, it gets far more ridiculous than calling out handling of matters he is responsible for (and can just come down to identity). If he had listened to the experts, taken it seriously instead of the political games, not tried to downplay it, not attacked places or riles up the extremes when other states were following guidelines etc. then a lot of the criticism he has received would not be the same. I have actually criticized Cuomo in another thread when someone else tried to butwhatabout, this is the point lol. People have no issue criticizing some but whine non stop when it is Trump for far more valid reasoning.
Trump has done pretty poorly imo, we do know people could have done better just by taking it seriously and following experts (other countries have had more success with their response). We don't know specifically X person and so on would be better but if you are able to see who Trump is and what he has been doing throughout then it should be pretty obvious someone who believes in science/isn't trying to rile up sides would have done much better by acting reasonable/based on data and not politically divisive.
1. All I ever said was show the president some support. Many do not and it is a flat out refusal.Quote:
Originally Posted by mngopher35
2. If he had listened to the experts, taken it seriously ……the 'experts have been proven wrong more than once. And as far as playing politics…look at some of the delays in the funding. The Kennedy Center??? Where did that come from.And now state bailouts for states that were in trouble (over absurd union benefits) from before the virus. Where did that come from.
Para 3.…Your opinion. Do not vote for him. Where does this "Trump does not believe in science" bs come from?? Science is one aspect of what is going on…and that's all the science crowd sees. There is the economic side of this, the people side of this etc. There is far more to all of this than just "science."
1. We shouldn't blindly support bad things, that is what people are constantly calling out. When someone is doing bad things, acting in a bad manner, attacking others and so on you don't just blindly support that lol. That is exactly what Fox/CNN are designed to do get people blindly supporting sides/their teams guy.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sluggo1
2. What do you mean by the experts have been proven wrong? If you mean this is a pandemic that is changing and we are constantly getting new data then I agree they have updated guidelines based on what we know at the time/based on current data. What I am saying is that when we have an outline based on those experts and the data don't support those attacking their governments for following the protocol with his liberate BS. When they initially were pointing to a problem don't make it a political game and downplay it as if it will go away etc.
I never once said ignore economics and that is part of the issue over and over topic to topic. It is why many feel capitalism (at least our version) is very very flawed. The obvious answer here is we need to use the science and data to come up with a long term approach to minimize casualties and effects on the population, including their economic stability. This is not a fight between dem/rep, science vs economy and so on but that is how we are treating it like we do most topics. That is not the fault of Trump but he is playing into that game harder than any POTUS I have seen before.
Anyone who is trying to discourage things like social distancing needs to understand they are culpable in the further spread. If a news network like Fox does that, then they should be legally held accountable.
Has FOX News (GASP!) actually come out against social distancing????Quote:
Originally Posted by dbroncos78087
I think there's 2 parts of this "Listening to the experts" take, and you are highlighting just 1 part to help your defense.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sluggo1
While sure the science part of the disease has changed, making many statements made by scientist contradictory in many realms. I believe what many others are referring to was 1 and only 1 simple message coming from the scientist as early as January, which was "THIS IS COMING, PREPARE TO DEAL WITH IT."
That message was pretty well known to be ignored for weeks leading up to the March 16th "15-day plan."
A mutant coronavirus has emerged, even more contagious than the original, study says
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